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Schiavo Judge To Be Honored
Tampa Tribune ^ | May 2, 2005 | Lisa A. Davis

Posted on 05/02/2005 5:06:09 AM PDT by Quaker

NEW PORT RICHEY - Pinellas- Pasco Circuit Judge George Greer, who was thrust into the national spotlight and scrutinized by pro-life advocates during the Terri Schiavo case, was a consistent judge who followed the law, colleagues say.

His professionalism and integrity was punctuated by the way he handled the Schiavo case, said Alan Scott Miller, a New Port Richey lawyer and member of the West Pasco Bar Association.

As part of Law Week, which kicks off today, the association will award Greer, 63, its Special Justice Award.

``He's getting this award for all of his contributions on the bench, not just the Schiavo case,'' Miller said. ``It's like a lifetime achievement award for an actor.''

Greer will receive the award during a banquet Thursday at the Heritage Springs Golf and Country Club, 11345 Robert Trent Jones Parkway.

For years, Greer presided over the politically and emotionally charged Schiavo case, which ended when the 41- year-old woman died March 31, 13 days after her feeding tube was removed a third time on a court order.

Some doctors said Schiavo was in a persistent vegetative state since suffering brain damage after her heart stopped in 1990.

Her husband, Michael, fought for years to have her feeding stopped, saying his wife didn't want to be kept alive by artificial means.

Her parents, hoping she would recover, fought him in court after court.

Eventually, Florida's governor and Legislature and then Congress took up the battle.

Supporters and detractors watched as Greer made rulings backing Terri Schiavo's purported wishes and received threats on his life.

``I don't think anyone could ever say his decisions were unlawful,'' said Joan Nelson Hook, president of the West Pasco Bar Association. ``They were very thoughtful. His decisions were meticulous.

``We admired his ability to sustain the pressure not to follow the law. ... I think that shows his character.''

Steve Doran, association president-elect, echoed Hook's thoughts on Greer's handling of the Schiavo case.

``His decisions in that unfortunate case withstood the test of every appellate court in the country,'' Doran said. ``Those who are criticizing him are not seeing the big picture.''

When the association voted this month on this year's recipient of the Special Justice Award, the result was almost unanimous for Greer.

``He's a man of integrity. He's followed the flow. He's done an excellent job on the bench,'' said Miller. ``That's why he's getting this award.''

In addition to Greer's award, the Law Week celebration offers events that allow the community to get a closer look at what the West Pasco Bar Association and the law profession are about, Hook said.

``It's an opportunity to interact with all levels of the community,'' she said.

``It's not just about battles; law is a way of life.''

Here are some events:

* Representatives of the association will be at Gulf View Square mall in Port Richey offering free legal advice from 11 a.m. to 3 p.m. Wednesday through Friday.

* All week, 22 lawyers will visit Pasco schools to discuss the law and this week's national theme, ``The American Jury: We the People in Action.''

* The 2nd District Court of Appeal will hold a special session at 10 a.m. Wednesday at the West Pasco Government Center, 7530 Little Road, in county commission chambers.

* Business suits, shoes and accessories will be collected at area law offices for Connections, a not-for-profit organization that helps people looking for jobs.

The following law offices are collecting men's and women's apparel:

The Law Offices of Attridge, Cohen & Lucas, 7136 Little Road, New Port Richey; The O'Conner Law Group, 9735 U.S. 19, Suite 2, Port Richey; Pejot Law, 11911 Pine Forest Drive, New Port Richey; and The Law Offices of Gay & Ehrhardt, 5318 Balsam St., New Port Richey.

Reporter Lisa A. Davis can be reached at (727) 815-1083.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: cultofterri; judgegreer; schaivocircus; schiavo; shesdeadjim; sicksicksicksicksick; terrischiavo
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To: Ohioan

In reading your posts, you keep on talking about posters "overthrowing the system". No one is overthrowing anything. And, you are doing the very same thing with your abortion agenda. Are you overthrowing the government that allows abortion?


601 posted on 05/03/2005 4:46:25 PM PDT by ClancyJ (Florida Motto: Send me your weak, frail, elderly - and we will give them 'rest'".)
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To: KDD

Are you saying that since men have died for liberty, that the state can kill for the liberty of a husband wanting her dead?

You are in the medical profession. I wonder about your true intents concerning the lives of others. I would hope that you do not sit there and judge who lives and who dies.

Another reason the future will be that the elderly will not have doctors, will stay away from hospitals. Also the disabled. Hospitals will get the accident victims but, of course, they will immediately leave so as to avoid the decision makers condemning them to death at their hands.

Gruesome. Now just tell me how radical I am. This is the future when man starts deciding to kill patients. There will be no patients. You serve only because people come to you for help. When they instead get death, don't expect it to be kept quiet.


602 posted on 05/03/2005 4:53:00 PM PDT by ClancyJ (Florida Motto: Send me your weak, frail, elderly - and we will give them 'rest'".)
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To: mountaineer

Fine. If you want to close your eyes to the danger, that's your choice.


603 posted on 05/03/2005 4:54:43 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We, the people, are the...masters of...the courts...to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution.")
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To: Saundra Duffy

Don't worry, they are showing themselves for who they are. We need to see this.

Why would any hate those that support Terri? There can be only one reason - they demand the option to kill without penalty.

And we should care what such people think about us?


604 posted on 05/03/2005 4:56:06 PM PDT by ClancyJ (Florida Motto: Send me your weak, frail, elderly - and we will give them 'rest'".)
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To: Ohioan

Can I ask a question. Where does it say "do not put tubes in people" and how do we answer God on those we have decided are not worthy to live based on the following?

Matt. 25:41-45

"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.


For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,


I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'



They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'


"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'


605 posted on 05/03/2005 4:59:05 PM PDT by ClancyJ (Florida Motto: Send me your weak, frail, elderly - and we will give them 'rest'".)
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To: Saundra Duffy
What shall we do?

I too. I'm always so surprised to go out with other people and it is not even mentioned, or the comment "I'm so tired of hearing about that", or "well, it is all in the way you look at it I guess".

And this is from Christians.

I've come to realize they do not understand or have failed to realize that this is the murder of a non-dying woman - not one that is in the dying process naturally.

One comment, "well, her quality of like was so horrible." And I said "But, we don't kill them because we would not want to live that way."

606 posted on 05/03/2005 5:03:55 PM PDT by ClancyJ (Florida Motto: Send me your weak, frail, elderly - and we will give them 'rest'".)
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To: Ohioan

What would happen if a judge put a disabled woman in a pen at his home and would not give her food or water, would not allow others to feed her?

It would be a murder case.

There is no difference in Terri's case. He did not offer her food and water by mouth as they removed the tube - therefore, murder was committed.

You can't say murder is murder at home, but legal if done by the state.


607 posted on 05/03/2005 5:07:04 PM PDT by ClancyJ (Florida Motto: Send me your weak, frail, elderly - and we will give them 'rest'".)
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To: Ohioan

The truth comes out.

You do not believe in the sanctity of life. How are you going to turn around abortion then?

You believe that only healthy people are entitled to the rights of an American citizen and that "some" are endowed with the ability and power to judge the worth and "liveness" of other - inferior - beings. And, that judgment then deems them unworthy of American citizenship.

You can couch it however you want, but I've read your posts and your views are coming through loud and clear.

And, you know what? I do not believe that you even want to fight abortion. A person with your views would be totally in agreement with a woman deciding whether her own son or daughter has the opportunity to experience life instead of eons of nothingness.

And when you believe that you are the decider of whether your son or daughter gets life, of course, you are the decider of whether people you do not love have the justification to continue living in this country.


608 posted on 05/03/2005 5:24:09 PM PDT by ClancyJ (Florida Motto: Send me your weak, frail, elderly - and we will give them 'rest'".)
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To: floriduh voter
They are getting very comfortable with killing them.

Which means, the weak and elderly will not utilize the medical facilities but will live out their lives away from those dedicated to seeing they are not a burden.

More power to them - with the way things are going, they will be much happier.

609 posted on 05/03/2005 5:29:50 PM PDT by ClancyJ (Florida Motto: Send me your weak, frail, elderly - and we will give them 'rest'".)
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To: mountaineer
Now you can choose the path of sanity

I would have expected better from you mountaineer - that appears to be a cheap shot because some one cares.

610 posted on 05/03/2005 5:39:13 PM PDT by ClancyJ (Florida Motto: Send me your weak, frail, elderly - and we will give them 'rest'".)
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To: JoeSixPack1

So sorry to hear about your Mom and bless you for caring for her.

I've mentioned before some of the very sweet times my mother and I had during her years in the nursing home (she was unable to do anything at all for herself - other than get out of the place into the parking lot).

I hope you will find a good place for her. My mother was put on the altzheimer's side after her escape and she did have dementia/altzheimers and the place was a warm caring place. A good place to end her days.

I am sure you are absolutely worn out. Hopefully you too see the sweet gentle person inside. I came to really love those gentle people and so many funny things would happen.

If she does not have a baby doll, you might try giving her one. My mother's face lit up like a Christmas tree when I brought hers. She immediately grabbed it claiming how beautiful it was. All in the lunch room stopped to watch her joy. After that whenever she started crying, they would get her baby and she would settle down to care for it, even feeding it her lunch.

So very precious. She retained her sense of humor but her memory from day to day was gone. Although you have to watch for mistakes in care, we experienced loving, caring people.

God bless you and her.


611 posted on 05/03/2005 5:50:05 PM PDT by ClancyJ (Florida Motto: Send me your weak, frail, elderly - and we will give them 'rest'".)
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To: mountaineer

Why would you care if we see the dangers of nazism?

Do you care if some dislike the Patriot Act? Do you care if some do not like guns?

Why are so many so upset because a few fR posters are upset about the "killing" and worried about the precedents of Terri Schiavo's case?

Are we to just shut up about it? Does it offend? Why would it offend?


612 posted on 05/03/2005 5:59:19 PM PDT by ClancyJ (Florida Motto: Send me your weak, frail, elderly - and we will give them 'rest'".)
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To: chimera

You are right and that is why we are speaking up. If they don't see the danger - they just do not see the danger. We do, and eventually more and more will.

Terri's case revealed that many would see nothing wrong with "offing" others. We will have to fight that mindset. Never thought I would see that in my days but here it is. A pure result of abortion since abortion just opened the floodgates. Kill for one reason, easy to move to the next justification.


613 posted on 05/03/2005 6:14:52 PM PDT by ClancyJ (Florida Motto: Send me your weak, frail, elderly - and we will give them 'rest'".)
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To: ClancyJ
They are just trying to scare people silent by throwing around the fanatic and emotional labels.
614 posted on 05/03/2005 6:25:55 PM PDT by Freedom Dignity n Honor (There are permanent moral truths.)
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To: EternalVigilance; ClancyJ; bvw

I appreciate the excellent job you folks did on this thread. Thank you.


615 posted on 05/03/2005 6:29:05 PM PDT by bjs1779 ("It was wrong to kill her. No other "facts" matter".-JimRobinson)
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To: unbalanced but fair
When you posted this ... "Are you now going to stalk the Internet looking to find other posters' comments to post here? Must be an all consuming career. LOL!" ... regarding Lazamataz, you poured the laugh out upon yourself. You see, Laz's talents are so superior to yours that you cannot grasp what has befallen you. But I frankly expect that Laz wil just hit the ignore button, now that you've proved yourself such an unworthy opponent.
616 posted on 05/03/2005 6:33:07 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: ClancyJ
"Which means, the weak and elderly will not utilize the medical facilities but will live out their lives away from those dedicated to seeing they are not a burden."

Ohhh have you outed their plan! The ones they can't kill fast in the hospitals, nursing homes, and hospices by euthanasia will die faster than normal without those facilities that have the medicial technology to help them if those facilities were in fact doing what they should be doing and saving people.

The old, infirm, disabled will be too scared to seek treatment and therefore the death cultists will be happy since it means that medical costs will go down in that way..plus the additional ones of those who need medical treatment but won't seek it and will die instead.

I don't think I explained what I meant very well but hopefully you can understand what I mean.

The death cultists will win both ways. We have to stop them.

617 posted on 05/03/2005 6:33:15 PM PDT by Freedom Dignity n Honor (There are permanent moral truths.)
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To: Quaker
They used to convict murderers. Now they give them awards. How special. < /sarcasm >
618 posted on 05/03/2005 6:45:41 PM PDT by sweetliberty (Never argue with a fool. People might not know the difference.)
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To: sweetliberty

Pat Buchanan is covering for Scarborough tonight and they just showed Greer's picture. They're talking about the 13 year old who the judge granted an abortion to. But, they showed Greer's UGLY FACE... He's getting what he deserves -villification on national tv.


619 posted on 05/03/2005 7:05:39 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri's not the first victim or the last Visit www.terrisfight.org (e-newsletter).)
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To: Wallace T.

>People should ...let their school board trustees know how >they feel about "LIE" (Law) Day beong conducted by this >cult of death worshipers

"Law Day" hmmm May 1st right? the old Communist "holiday"
Try to get one word from any law professor about "Law
Day" even if signs are posted in the school about it.
It's not only Congress and judges that are derelict.


620 posted on 05/03/2005 8:23:23 PM PDT by cycjec
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To: little jeremiah

>What kind of a country is it when those who are supposed >to be honorable and upholding justice are the lowest scum?

Well, the Jews for Morality site mentions Sodom.
I take absolutely no pleasure in citing that comparison,
being sick and heartbroken at the events of the past two
months and two years.

Can I get on the Moral Absolutes ping? I need to know
more about these pings. Any FAQ around?


621 posted on 05/03/2005 8:26:22 PM PDT by cycjec
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To: Dante3

>As Martin Katz (who happened to be Jewish) wrote in the >The American Thinker (not a RR right publication) >regarding the Terri Schiavo case

Good for Martin Katz. Don't know much else about him.


622 posted on 05/03/2005 8:29:48 PM PDT by cycjec
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To: chimera

>We are talking a major shift in America to one where the >state can kill a non-dying person.

>I remember a time in this country when you didn't need a >piece of paper on file with your lawyer or a court to >guarantee your right to live

Hope these quotes are all yours, chimera. Things
are actually worse than that; the "right papers" may
not save one. see http://www.hospicepatients.org


623 posted on 05/03/2005 8:36:29 PM PDT by cycjec
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To: Saundra Duffy

>Say, I noticed that I only care about the Terri threads >anymore. I hardly ever wander over into the other posts >and threads. It's like I just can't get over this. Even in >my personal life, I am seemingly stuck here. Can't believe >they did that to her and they forced us all to watch in >helplessness. My husband says I need to move on.

I'm stuck and not ashamed of it. Where are you geographically? I have little more idea what to do
about things than you do, but this is the biggest "civil
rights" issue of our time. Don't be ashamed of being
consumed by it, even if you only seem to be in pain
about it.


624 posted on 05/03/2005 8:42:48 PM PDT by cycjec
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To: Freedom Dignity n Honor

Yes, I agree. However, the last laugh might be on them. Where do they get customers when only the young and healthy come to see them? I would think nursing homes would be begging for customers - why would they "off" them?

Hospice will now be seen as death dealers rather than those seeking to give peaceful endings to those in the dying process.

Anyway - agree. These people need to be stopped.

I think a good start would be to look at the end-of-life panel activities in each state. Who are they, what are they doing and what is their true purpose?


625 posted on 05/03/2005 9:08:38 PM PDT by ClancyJ (Florida Motto: Send me your weak, frail, elderly - and we will give them 'rest'".)
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To: EternalVigilance

Good answer. I don't think there are any such people, and
if there are, we shouldn't heed such "wishes" The
autonomy issue is a sham, the real agenda is some form
of tyranny.


626 posted on 05/03/2005 9:15:10 PM PDT by cycjec
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To: Lazamataz

EV and I have talked, and he graciously accepted my apology, and we discussed the matter in private, and that is it, none of your bizness Laz.

As for me and CP? Nope, not even close, I read it though, its funny as hell.


627 posted on 05/03/2005 9:16:22 PM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (Remember when conservatives embraced the rule of law? (Do ya?))
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To: floriduh voter

Wow, your use of capital letters sure swayed me!.........


628 posted on 05/04/2005 12:38:28 AM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (Remember when conservatives embraced the rule of law? (Do ya?))
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To: cycjec

Bump.


629 posted on 05/04/2005 4:00:17 AM PDT by pc93 (http://tekgnosis.typepad.com)
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To: ClancyJ

If you go on the Hospice sites you will eventually find a link that lists some of these panels.. names to hone in on are Ken Goodman / Bishop Wenski for Clergy for End-of-Life, etc. Goodman isn't even clergy.. he is on a lot of panels than this too. He is strongly connected to the right-to-die movement etc He formed Partnership for End-of-Life which is a coalition of 23 groups.. maybe more now.. but in 2002 in their Making Choices pdf file which has an intro by Jeb in it etc.. it is listed as 23 coalitions.


630 posted on 05/04/2005 4:03:55 AM PDT by pc93 (http://tekgnosis.typepad.com)
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To: cycjec
Hope these quotes are all yours, chimera. Things are actually worse than that; the "right papers" may not save one.

I know it. I have often said on these threads to those who think having a "Living (Dying?) Will" will solve any and all problems that such is not the case. The travesty of the killing of Terri Schiavo has proved that it doesn't really matter what you say, verbally or in writing, what matters is what someone else says you said, if they can convince a sympathetic judge to rule for them, and have that upheld by a sham of a judicial system that metes out procedure more than justice.

631 posted on 05/04/2005 5:20:31 AM PDT by chimera
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To: KDD
You stand with death, I stand with life. I accept both as part of our Creator's immaculate design. And I fear neither.

That's a specious argument. You wouldn't save a drowning person? After all, if life and death are equally desirable, why do so?

People who would have died 100 or even 50 years ago now live, due to medical advances. Should those advances not be pursued?

Life is worth fighting for and preserving. And it's not "beating on Terri Schiavo's corpse" to discuss these issues.

And I find it amusing that the views on this matter of, let us say, Dr. Charles Krauthammer, who is also in a wheelchair, are brushed aside by various smug, self-congratulating sorts who defend judges who snub their noses at Congress.

632 posted on 05/04/2005 6:27:34 AM PDT by veronica (CP=Jeffords Republicrats)
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To: Freedom Dignity n Honor

From the use of words it might just be one person using different names.


633 posted on 05/04/2005 6:29:31 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Central Scrutiniser
"Wow, your use of capital letters sure swayed me!"

freeper friend, if I had time to visit the html sandbox, I'd learn how to do REALLY BIG LETTERS. Would you like that better? in color? I'm a busy person. I do pictures here and posts WITH CAPS until I make it to the sandbox...

But, I'm glad you've changed your position on the issue. Stay tuned for Mark Fuhrman's INVESTIGATION.

634 posted on 05/04/2005 6:43:57 AM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri's not the first victim or the last Visit www.terrisfight.org (e-newsletter).)
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To: chimera
Judge do not evaluate, they dictate.

Thomas Jefferson referred to out of control judges as "judicial despots". Florida is crawling with them. Lots of people are hesitant to file legit lawsuits here because they don't trust the judges.

I heard about this new problem from an attorney. People do not trust a judge to judge fairly. They are avoiding court even with valid claims.

Florida's Judicial System is broken and nobody here seems to care except the people are mere taxpayers. The Florida Supreme Court are liberal extremists, even Jeb's appointees.

635 posted on 05/04/2005 6:47:52 AM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri's not the first victim or the last Visit www.terrisfight.org (e-newsletter).)
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To: chimera

correction: "Judges do not evaluate, they dictate."


636 posted on 05/04/2005 6:49:01 AM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri's not the first victim or the last Visit www.terrisfight.org (e-newsletter).)
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To: cycjec

I'll add you to the list. It's very subjective - there's so much material which could qualify as relevant. I don't cover abortion issues as there are a couple of other ping lists for that (although other pro-life issues get in there, or abortion when it has other angles as well), and I don't cover homosexuality as I do another list for that.

Also I am very busy and get overwhelmed!

But it is a fairly busy list. No FAQ that I know of...


637 posted on 05/04/2005 6:52:57 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: floriduh voter
So there is clearly a problem with the one branch of government, as you and others have noted, as illustrated by this problem as well as the tragedy of the Schiavo case. But the other two supposedly co-equal branches of government are unable or unwilling to perform their legally mandated duty to exercise some form of restraint over the out of control branch, i.e., establish some measure of checks and balances. When they try, they get slapped down, and they cower in fear and are paralyzed before the bluster of the tyrant. This shows that the Republic no longer functions as envisioned by the Founders.

What is equally disturbing is that there are some, including people right here on FR, who applaud this obvious breakdown in the Constitutional Republic. The Founders never intended that one branch would assume disproportionate power. If it tried, the others were to step in and re-establish some semblance of balance. That this is not happening should be of concern to everyone, especially those on FR and similar places who say they value the constitutional republican form of government.

638 posted on 05/04/2005 7:20:35 AM PDT by chimera
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To: cycjec

this is the biggest "civil rights" issue of our time.

Hear, hear!


639 posted on 05/04/2005 7:24:12 AM PDT by Narnian
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To: chimera
There are posters who are simply not conservatives and conservatives who think the government using its authority equates to governmental intrusion. That is simply not the case. The government is supposed to protect the people. Saving someone's life is not an intrusion, it is a duty.

The legislative and judicial branches of govt. in Florida are co-dependent and imo, those branches are always feuding the Jeb Bush, the executive branch.

The legislature and judicial branch bear the brunt of responsibility for Terri's killing and Jeb didn't do his duty after Terri's parents were voted or ruled against. Terri never had her own legal representation which was another violation of her rights.

It was a complete failure of all checks and balances. They were non-existent. This is a good civics lesson but what teacher would accurately cover the subject?

640 posted on 05/04/2005 7:33:00 AM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri's not the first victim or the last Visit www.terrisfight.org (e-newsletter).)
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To: floriduh voter
It was a complete failure of all checks and balances. They were non-existent.

And so we end up with the result we had, an innocent person put to death by judicial order, while the other supposedly co-equal branches of government stand by and impotently watch and tremble in fear of the judicial tyrant.

Most disappointing and discouraging are the people, including many on FR, who cheer the result of an innocent woman put to death as a victory for "the law", and applaud that Judge (executioner) who "did his job and followed the law". Well, some law that is, when you end up killing an innocent person. I remember a time in this country when the law stood for something other than killing innocent citizens of the land, a time when the law and the courts protected people and served them instead of killing them. This New Age crap and the culture of death have taken such a hold that people now cheer on the slaughter of persons never convicted or even accused of a crime, much less a capital offense.

641 posted on 05/04/2005 8:03:08 AM PDT by chimera
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To: chimera
A judge is not following the law if he follows one law and throws hundreds of other laws out the window. Hundreds.

Judge Greer will never be able to live this down no matter how they try to build him into a hero. He's no hero. He's not even an average guy. He's a liberal, evil politician claiming to be a member of the religious right. He's delusional.

642 posted on 05/04/2005 8:11:51 AM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri's not the first victim or the last Visit www.terrisfight.org (e-newsletter).)
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To: ClancyJ; tutstar; Halls; Ohioan from Florida; Sun
An excerpt from World Net Daily's Joseph Farah re: Greer's Former Pastor at Calvary Baptist Church

Greer, until recently, was a member of the Calvary Baptist Church in Clearwater, Fla. He left at the urging of Pastor William Rice, who counseled him wisely: "You must know that in all likelihood it is this case which will define your career and this case that you will remember in the waning days of life. I hope you can find a way to side with the angels and become an answer to the prayers of thousands."

Rice has my highest regard for that decision. Too many pastors in this country don't require obedience to God as a prerequisite for church membership. They seem to believe in a kind of "cheap" grace that comes with regular attendance or tithing rather than a Christian walk. They seem to have no minimal standards for fellowship and communion with the saints.

There are few heroes in the Terri Schiavo scandal. Her parents and siblings qualify. Terri herself qualifies. Those who braved arrest to bring her cups of water qualify. And, in my book, so does Rev. William Rice.

Do you want to know why the church doesn't have influence and impact in our increasingly secular world today?

Because there are too many so-called Christians like Judge George Greer and not enough like Pastor William Rice.

Greer's friends have attacked the church and defended the judge, saying he was interpreting the law to the best of his ability. However, if that is true, then Greer, as a Christian, had a duty to obey God's laws rather than man's laws. That would require him to leave the bench if he truly saw a conflict. Instead, Greer opted to leave his church – and, presumably, his weak faith.

"Like evangelicals across the world, we are horrified at the thought that a handicapped woman could be, in effect, starved to death before a watching world," Rice wrote. Admitting he was not a legal or medical expert, Rice asserted: "I know right from wrong. I know what God thinks about human life. I know there is only one way to describe the prospect of starving a woman to death because she cannot feed herself. It is wrong."

Rice continued: "Morality and truth must serve as our guide. Terri Schiavo is not on life support. She is not dying. Good evidence exists to suggest that she is responsive. All she receives is food and water, the same as you and me. Are we to conclude that she is less than human because she cannot feed herself? Can a month-old child feed himself? Is an elderly patient stricken with some debilitating disease and unable to feed herself suddenly less human? Do we now use an IQ test to determine if someone possesses the right to live? Isn't that God's choice? Only God can give life, and only He should take it away."

"Tread carefully if you think this is simply about a dying woman being allowed to die peacefully," Rice wrote. "Remember when we were told that Roe v. Wade was simply about helping women who had been raped or whose lives were imminently threatened? Today, few abortions fall into that category, but millions of human lives have been sacrificed upon the altar of selfishness. And the slide down the slippery slope continues."

In case Greer was still confused, his pastor gave him more to think about.

"This case seems complex, but it is as simple as four words: 'Thou shalt not kill.' If you need a compass for this complex case, you'll find it there," he wrote. "As we all know, the Sixth Commandment means it is wrong to murder – to take the life of an innocent person without just cause. If I were the nurse in that hospice center and the directive were given to me to discontinue feeding a living human being and watch as he or she starved to death, I couldn't do it. I'd rather get fired, resign or do something else."

Christians can go on blaming others for the problems we face in this country. Or we can go into the churches and start cleaning up the messes we have in our own houses of worship. It's time to take back the churches. It's time to renew the idea of standards. It's time to make church membership mean something again.

Judge George Greer did the wrong thing. Pastor William Rice did the right thing. If we had more pastors like Rice, we'd have fewer judges like Greer.

March 31, 2005 WND

643 posted on 05/04/2005 8:29:34 AM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri's not the first victim or the last Visit www.terrisfight.org (e-newsletter).)
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To: Quaker

No barf alert either. Though I do feel the urge...


644 posted on 05/04/2005 8:30:15 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: floriduh voter

That was a great article! Christians have a greater responsibility and role in society than many of them are willing to live up to imo.

There are many like Pastor Rice but we need many more!!

I couldn't help 'noticing' that during the runaway bride fiasco their pastor gave glowing reports of both the guy and the gal. Well what happened to waiting til you're married to move in together?


645 posted on 05/04/2005 8:48:24 AM PDT by tutstar ( <{{--->< Impeach Judge Greer http://www.petitiononline.com/ijg520/petition.html)
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To: pc93; Halls; wildandcrazyrussian; 8mmMauser; eeevil conservative
America's Innocent Daughter didn't deserve an ice chip from her mom or mom would have been arrested. Mom begged for water for her daughter ON WORLDWIDE TELEVISION AND RADIO, but nobody granted mom's urgent request. Why?

Judge Greer ordered for the third time, that Terri be starved and dehydrated until dead. Two weeks with no nutrition and no water. SOUND LIKE TORTURE TO YOU? It sure was!

She was killed in cold blood after years of being caged and being denied rehabilitation, including speech therapy. Wake up Amerika!

646 posted on 05/04/2005 8:50:50 AM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri's not the first victim or the last Visit www.terrisfight.org (e-newsletter).)
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To: floriduh voter; amdgmary; pc93; cyn; phenn

I just received this re Greer's award...there is a protest planned.
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Unfortunately, according to the newspaper article I've attached to the bottom of the page, he is being honored with a very distinctive award, on Thursday night (May 5, 2005) mainly for the way he handled the Terri Schiavo case. On hearing this news, a small group of us in Tampa, Florida are organizing a protest outside of the Heritage Springs Golf and County Club in New Port Richey, FL. We are told that the ceremony will begin at 6:00 so we are recommending all Schiavo supporters to arrive around 5 with signs. All Christian radio stations in the area are being contacted. We ask that you please support us in this cause. Please tell all of your people who are in favor of impeaching Judge Greer to be there. The address is listed below, as well as the newspaper article.
Thank you very much.
Heritage Springs Golf and Country Club
11345 Robert Trent Jones Parkway
New Port Richey, FL


http://pasco.tbo.com/pasco/MGBHNYJW78E.html


647 posted on 05/04/2005 8:50:52 AM PDT by tutstar ( <{{--->< Impeach Judge Greer http://www.petitiononline.com/ijg520/petition.html)
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To: floriduh voter

Great article. Apparently there are some that think as we do that killing is just wrong. And, if laws authorize that killing, then the laws must be changed by men who see where those laws will lead us.

We just have to hope there are enough men and women who will see the truth of what is happening and have the ability to correct it.


648 posted on 05/04/2005 8:56:45 AM PDT by ClancyJ (Florida Motto: Send me your weak, frail, elderly - and we will give them 'rest'".)
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To: floriduh voter

Bump.


649 posted on 05/04/2005 8:57:20 AM PDT by pc93 (http://tekgnosis.typepad.com)
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To: ClancyJ; Quaker; Future Useless Eater; PhilDragoo; Terri
HERE'S MORE RELATED TO THE SPECIAL JUSTICE AWARD...

What happened to Terri is not going to be forgotten as per Fla House Speaker Allan Bense's prediction.

RELATED TO TOMORROW NIGHT'S SPECIAL JUSTICE AWARD GOING TO GEORGE GREER

Fr. Pavone Repeats Description of Judge Greer as 'Murderer'

5/4/2005 9:23:00 AM

To: National and State Desks

Contact: Jerry Horn of Priests for Life, 540-785-4733

WASHINGTON, May 4 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Fr. Frank Pavone, national director of Priests for Life, responded today to the announcement that Judge George Greer will receive the "Special Justice Award" tomorrow in Florida.

"On the night before Terri Schiavo died, I said to the national media that Judge Greer was a murderer. I repeat that today. I use the word not in its legal meaning but in its moral meaning, that is, a deliberate action or series of actions that intentionally kill an innocent person. Terri was not dying until she stopped receiving food and water. Once deprived of that sustenance, she died. It does not require any legal or medical expertise to recognize that as murder. Nobody who has lost the basic capability to understand that should be honored.

"Whatever judgment, furthermore, is made on Judge Greer's legal authority to do what he did, no Court has the moral authority to directly and deliberately take innocent life, and those ordered to carry out such decisions are morally obliged to resist them by conscientious objection. Pope John Paul II made that teaching clear in his encyclical letter 'The Gospel of Life.'"

Other religious leaders, including Cardinal Renato Martino, president of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace at the Vatican, have described this tragedy in similar terms, as have countless Americans.

For more information, see http://www.priestsforlife.org

http://www.usnewswire.com/

650 posted on 05/04/2005 9:16:06 AM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri's not the first victim or the last Visit www.terrisfight.org (e-newsletter).)
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