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Schiavo Judge To Be Honored
Tampa Tribune ^ | May 2, 2005 | Lisa A. Davis

Posted on 05/02/2005 5:06:09 AM PDT by Quaker

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To: queenkathy

The mother can not get child support for at least one of her children because the sperm donor she choose has been in and out of prison and is currently back in.

This has been in a few of the news reports I've read, sorry no link though it was on FR.


101 posted on 05/02/2005 8:35:18 AM PDT by Brytani ("Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work - Edison)
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To: ClancyJ

Just go ahead and misrepresent and lie about others to your heart's content in order to justify your hate that you then call some kind of respect for life.

It's insane.


102 posted on 05/02/2005 8:36:34 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Brytani

Women need to be more selective when we "choose" our childrens fathers...


103 posted on 05/02/2005 8:37:46 AM PDT by queenkathy (Don't give up. Moses was once a basket case.)
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To: ClancyJ
What do you suggest we do about judicial tyranny?

So you agree with poster who said the judge should be drawn and quartered? You think that vigilantism is the answer to any thing? And I see no so-called judicial tyranny in this case. All of the courts that reviewed the case agreed. Or would you do away with the judicial system entirely? Let mob rule decide? Grab your torches? What about a judicial decision that you agree with but others don't. Would you feel the same? Would it be okay for them to use vigilantism in that case?

104 posted on 05/02/2005 8:38:18 AM PDT by unbalanced but fair
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To: firequarrel
I mostly agree with what you said. But let's not wrap these fringe pro-life elements in a Christian cloak. The vitriolic hatred they exhibit has nothing to do with Christianity.

Such was not my intent and if it appeared so to anyone I apologize for any misunderstanding.

The vitriolic hatred they exhibit has nothing to do with Christianity.

On that I can only say Amen.

105 posted on 05/02/2005 8:38:57 AM PDT by KDD (Just the Facts)
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To: KDD

Very good points and I truly hope all was done fairly for Terri.

However, there are still actions that led to questions by the public that make this case become a national tragedy.

If all was investigated medically and fully proved, why were they so unwilling to have a new look by new eyes at the facts? Their decisions to ignore the federal law to relook, showed there was something they did not wish seen.

Terri's case assaulted the public and, therefore, the courts should have handled the case with transparency to prove to the public that this decision was not man wanting the right to kill the weak, but truly in compliance with her wishes. They could not prove her wishes. Therefore, they should have allowed the parents to take control of her.

But, the purpose was to "get on the record" acceptance of "hearsay" evidence as to her wishes. This allows the State of Florida the right to handle many cases of those whose wishes are not specified to the benefit of the State, Medicaid, Medicare.

So, again, we are back to the laws being manipulated to allow state murder for benefit and they are getting the just outrage by those who believe in the sanctity of life and see this trend as destructive to America and an offense to the rights of citizens.


106 posted on 05/02/2005 8:42:37 AM PDT by ClancyJ (Florida Motto: Send me your weak, frail, elderly - and we will give them 'rest'".)
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To: ClancyJ
Just what do you suggest we do to stop the judicial tyranny?

Even if one state court judge's decision constitutes judicial tyranny I certainly don't suggest - as many here have - hanging, drawing and quartering, vandalism, harassment and the execution of certain government officials. That many here, who call themselves Christians, are calling for such anarchy and the murder of judges is just amazing, outrageous and pathetic. It's quite a bit more "Nazi-like" than anything done in Pinellas County, at any rate.

107 posted on 05/02/2005 8:45:13 AM PDT by mountaineer
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To: Dante3
"We, as a people, have so shamed ourselves, that we cannot look Mary Schindler . . . in the eye, and give her one good reason why WE did not allow her to give water to her dying child."

Exactly. To see how cold we are as a nation, this fact is totally ignored by the anti-Terri crowd.

Guess they do not care that the state and doctors decide when their child has to be killed. All the while saying uphold the law because the law is always right.

There was nothing right, pure, about how Mrs. Schlinder was treated, how Terri was forced to die without the comfort of her parents with her.

108 posted on 05/02/2005 8:49:36 AM PDT by ClancyJ (Florida Motto: Send me your weak, frail, elderly - and we will give them 'rest'".)
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To: billbears

Wow, you have hit the nail on the head!

Since God will forgive Greer with grace, we are not to care how many he kills.

Since the law says kill a non-dying woman, we, of course, kill her.

You are the perfect Christian to live in a world where evil is at work running God out of America. Just don't worry until it hits your family.


109 posted on 05/02/2005 8:54:03 AM PDT by ClancyJ (Florida Motto: Send me your weak, frail, elderly - and we will give them 'rest'".)
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To: queenkathy

I'd be happy if women would stop having children with different men, wait until they are married to have the little darlings and make sure they are both able to support the children they produce.

If that fails, how about being responsible and using birth control.


110 posted on 05/02/2005 8:54:04 AM PDT by Brytani ("Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work - Edison)
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To: Quaker

This guy Greer may know the law but he sure lacks wisdom.


111 posted on 05/02/2005 8:59:28 AM PDT by hgro (ews)
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To: KDD

Funny how easily you group all Terri supporters into the "fringe", "radical" category.

Did you ever think that maybe those "freaks" were plants that Felos put there to make the pro-Terri supporters look ridiculous?

Felos had a goal in this case, don't you think he calculated how to counter the Christian opposers of his "elite" plan to promote euthanasia of the unwanteds?

How could he counter them? The easiest way is to pay jugglers, samba dancers. Then all the Christians would be discounted and his goal march forward.


112 posted on 05/02/2005 8:59:41 AM PDT by ClancyJ (Florida Motto: Send me your weak, frail, elderly - and we will give them 'rest'".)
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To: mountaineer
Let's make it easier.

Find Scriptures that support your view that God approves of the murder of those who are disabled/dependant/helpless/needing food-water/etc.

NO, I do NOT teach my kids that. I teach them things that are in DIRECT OPPOSITE to what this 'judge' has committed.

The Supreme Law of the land proceeds from the Word.

The NEXT supreme law proceeds from the US Constitution.

The NEXT SL law proceeds from the STATE's Constitution.

ANY laws after that, HAVE to be based on the above 3.

Can you cite examples where greer honored the above 3 LOTL and ruled accordingly?

And if killing off someone is a personal matter between 2 people, then PLEASE contact God to get Him to cancel out that Commandment. And let us know when it's done. (because there are a few OTHER Commandments that we can change around)

113 posted on 05/02/2005 9:00:46 AM PDT by mommadooo3
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To: ClancyJ
There was plenty of time for concerned citizens to make changes to Fl. law and its Constitution during the two election cycles this case went through the courts. A simple majority vote by the citizens on any number of State Constitutional changes could have been made to bypass Judge Greer completely.

After all, we passed a Constitutional Amendment protecting pregnant pigs...that is now a law "on the books". Why didn't didn't supporters of changing the law removing artificial hydration and nutrition from the list of artificial life sustaining methods currently set into place, gather the signatures necessary and put it to a State vote. Simple ballot question...

114 posted on 05/02/2005 9:03:27 AM PDT by KDD (Just the Facts)
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To: ClancyJ
If all was investigated medically and fully proved, why were they so unwilling to have a new look by new eyes at the facts? Their decisions to ignore the federal law to relook, showed there was something they did not wish seen.
That was the same argument the left used against going to war to oust Saddam...give inspections one more chance. Rush Limbaugh dismissed that POV and I agreed. But Limbaugh has since showed his inconsistency by taking the opposite position, the one you argue over the Shiavo case. But then consistency seems to be a problem for many conservatives. Even recently Limbaugh has claimed through his attorneys that there actually is a Constitutional right to privacy. Something he's always claimed never existed.
115 posted on 05/02/2005 9:04:05 AM PDT by firequarrel
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To: cyncooper

What lies?

What misrepresentation?

If Terri's case had been handled with transparency, a new medical review with different people, further tests, it would have settled many public questions.

However, people are not blind and things have to pass the smell test. As we have seen done on FR. This case did not pass the smell test.

Maybe you are correct - but the public has finally realized that there are people instigating laws that will kill off those "they" deem unworthy to live. We feel this is murder - pure and simple no matter how society justifies it.

We have seen that it is possible for a lawyer with an agenda of euthanasia of the "unworthies", can exert the influence of a powerful base in that county, can have a likeminded judge rule in his favor, and can systematically get end-of-life laws altered to broaden the ability to end lives.

Why are we to discount what Felos, Michael and Greer might be up to?

Could it be because it furthers your own desire to end the lives of unworthies?


116 posted on 05/02/2005 9:10:40 AM PDT by ClancyJ (Florida Motto: Send me your weak, frail, elderly - and we will give them 'rest'".)
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To: legendofamind
Here is a question: Which judge do you think will never be indicted for Schiavo's demise?
117 posted on 05/02/2005 9:11:10 AM PDT by verity (A mindset is an antidote to logic.)
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To: KDD
Why didn't supporters of changing the law removing arificail hydration and nutrition from the list of artificial life sustaining methods currently set into place, gather the signatures necessary..

Well. I'm sure there will be lots of excuses to that question. They didn't know about it. But then ignorance of the law is no excuse. Or they aren't from Florida. But then, have they done anything about their own state's laws? Or perhaps there is some guilt involved here. After all, they allowed the law which "killed" Terri to stand and did nothing to change it until it was too late?

118 posted on 05/02/2005 9:11:57 AM PDT by unbalanced but fair
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To: firequarrel
There is no right to privacy written into the U.S. Constitution.
It is implied however IMO.

There is. however, a Constitutional right to privacy written into the Fl. State Constitution. Put there in the late 80s by a vote of the general population of Fl. to amend their Fl. State Constitution. Simple ballot question.

119 posted on 05/02/2005 9:15:06 AM PDT by KDD (Just the Facts)
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To: ClancyJ
What lies?

What misrepresentation?

~snip~

From the same post:

Could it be because it furthers your own desire to end the lives of unworthies?

120 posted on 05/02/2005 9:21:26 AM PDT by cyncooper
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