LET PFC LYNNDIE ENGLAND GO

boblonsberry.com ^ | 5/3/05 | Bob Lonsberry

[shortstop]

Sorry Grendel, it's not my plea for her release. It's Lonsberry's. I only post 'em.

[Bigturbowski]

Really not very difficult in a combat zone on the night shift.

[SIDENET]

And we’re going to lynch her because she didn’t do it exactly right.

"Exactly right"? It's not as if she just missed "exactly right" by a hair!

[rabidralph]

I think she was told to enjoy herself so that it would be humiliating to the prisoners they were trying to break down. I may be in the minority but I don't have any problem with the techniques used by our military to get information from terrorists. These techniques should not be exposed for scrutiny by the ignorant, general public.

[r9etb]

They were carrying out someone else's policy.

"Ve ver chust following oaduhs...."

[Calusa]

Lynndies Service medals:

1. Sensitivity

2. Nude Mud Wrestling.

3. Diversity.

4. Safe Sex. OOps nevermind.

5. Evening wear.

6. Bathing suit.

7. Congeniality.

8. Exhibitionism.

You can also blame the media for making a mountain oout of a mole hill to try to topple Bush and Rummy. Nobody would have cared, but they couldn't let it go. She's my employee to and she's fired.

[monday]

"But 11 years in Leavenworth for acting like a punk kid instead of a soldier? Absurd."

I agree. The whole bunch of them are perverted morons, especially the idiot who took the photos, but I don't understand why the military doesn't just give them all dishonorable discharges and be done with it. Do they want this story to NEVER go away? If any of them get anywhere near 11 years I guarantee that it won't.

[cicero's_son]

Do I really need to point out to you the absurdity of comparing PFC England's actions to those of a Nazi death camp guard?

I'm not saying that England and her "buddies" should get off Scot free. I am saying that officers and higher ups should be held to account as well. Either that, or let's just frankly admit that the entire thing was government policy, vetted and approved at the highest levels, and let all of the soldiers go free. I still don't see anything wrong with using humiliation as an interrogation technique against terrorists.

[AngieGOP]

"Bye bye Lyndie...enjoy your time in Leavenworth. You deserve it toots!"

Tis so true. Lyndie England's antics gave our enemies in the world all the ammo they needed to disparage every good man and woman in uniform. She deserves to be imprisoned for aiding and abetting the enemy.

[Rider on the Rain]

I met a Marine who served in 'Nam--he had a Silver Star, a Good Conduct Medal, and a National Defense Service Medal, and that was IT.

I'm sure he also had the Vietnam Service Medal, the Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal, and in all proability, the Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross with Palm.

[XXXXX88XXXXX]

That prison was run by a one-star general who seems to have been completely incompetent to command. Supervision was non-existent and good order and discipline were unknown ... it is inconceivable that a specialist and a few privates would be in charge of Abu Ghraib prison at night. I just cannot imagine how somebody could mess with all those prisoners and there not be a single sergeant or officer aware of it. I simply do not believe that some ill-trained backwater Reservists of such meager rank could do what they did unsupervised.

Roger that. As I see it, the brass has decided to go for the whitewash option and swing a few folks on the bottom rungs while the culpable higher-ups take a walk. Nothing new in that.

[veronica]

It's sickening what we are doing to our soldiers, in the name of PC. This gal will spend more time in jail than OJ Simpson. A ten-year sentence for what she did? Feh!

[muawiyah]

If you'd really like to know how you can get a bunch of prisoners together, strip them naked, and then do the things Lynndie did, I suggest you ask her.

The Generals really don't know about this stuff ~ that's why Lynndie ended up pleading guilty to so many charges.

[xzins]

But 11 years in Leavenworth for acting like a punk kid instead of a soldier? Absurd.

Bullseye!

Good analysis, SW.

[r9etb]

Do I really need to point out to you the absurdity of comparing PFC England's actions to those of a Nazi death camp guard?

I was merely pointing out that your own comment was essentially providing the same excuse. If there is absurdity to be found, I suggest you begin looking at home.

[ampat]

Have any officers received comparable punishment yet?

[muawiyah]

Why not just discharge them all? Well, it's the "don't ask, don't tell" policy. Obviously most of the objectional behavior had origins in the homosexuality of the leaders of the ring. That they were able to drag in some women doesn't detract from that cold, hard fact.

If we had the former policy in place these people would have been ferreted out and removed from the military long before any deployment to Iraq.

[spudsmaki]

If General Janet Karpinski was court-martialed for allowing this, then yes, go ahead and gig the mouthbreathers. But she's not, she's getting a golden parachute.

And remember Gen Barbara Whatsername, the dimwit in charge of releasing unfairly held prisoners? She released not one, she gets another soft landing.

And how about all the intermediate officers and noncoms who saw all this going on? They were transferred to put them out of the reach of the lazy presstitutes.

Lots of injustice here. At most, a BCD that's overturned after a couple of years (yes, that's done all the time). Maybe a month in the brig as a reminder to keep her nose clean.

[muawiyah]

BTW, Lynndie was "off duty" at the time. She wasn't acting under anybody's orders. Her job was elsewhere. This was a "boyfriend visit" that took a different turn, eh?!

She needed to be prosecuted, as did the others.

[montomike]

I beat that. I only got the good humor medal (good conduct medal) in six years of nav duty on subs. They called us the silent service!