Posted on 05/03/2005 5:43:15 AM PDT by shortstop
The General is getting the boot too.
(from the earlier post to which you responded)
"I met a Marine who served in 'Nam--he had a Silver Star, a Good Conduct Medal, and a National Defense Service Medal, and that was IT."
Having a SS, I simply do not believe that this fellow didn't also have a CAR.
That's good. But the General should be subject to the same legal jeopardy as the soldiers.
The ribbon I thought was a waste was the Basic Training ribbon. I never needed a ribbon to prove I went to basic, I had a uniform that proved I went to basic.
Yeah, I agree. A BCD and about 6 months.
The Sgt. that had her pose in the photo is also the father of her child (I heard that on Fox last evening). He's already serving time for his part in the matter and so should she.
Easy. Were the top brass down there? No. Would any soldier tell the top brass that they were breaking the rules? No. I don't understand the amazement that a bunch of losers without proper supervision might break the rules.
what is she doing with service ribbons on the right side of her chest?? name tag goes on right and ribbons go on the left.
No, she definitely should not go to prison...she is the sacrificial lamb just like Lt. William Calley was.
We are beginning to hear more and more that sexual humiliation techniques formed an important part of terrorist interrogations not only in Iraq, but in Guantanamo as well.
Mind you, I don't even think it's a bad idea. Humiliation is not torture. These terrorists DESERVE all the humiliation we can heap on them and then some.
But the idea that it's just a bunch of rogue soldiers getting their jollies is ludicrous.
Am I right that this woman was also photographed having sex with multiple partners and is now pregnant (she claims to know by which man)? To me her actions demonstrate a pattern, not an isolated incident.
I was unhappy with the things these soldiers are depicted as doing because I don't want that type of abuse perpetrated on OUR prisoners of war. It doesn't matter to me that these men were the worst sort of filth...when our representatives abused them, it gave them moral outrage they didn't deserve...and virtually sanctioned similar abuses of our prisoners of war. Would those who think she should get off lightly have felt the same if the soldiers being abused were female? Or ours?
Everything about this case repulses me, including the contrast between her likely sentence and the disparate sentences of more violent criminals in our society. Does it really matter that others above her share responsibility for her actions? It doesn't seem to me she was merely a puppet...not when she herself was holding the "strings".
AP- Reciprocating for the conviction and imprisonment of Ms. England al Qaeda today annouced the start of public hearings into mistreatment of Coalition forces.
In a written statement from his headquarters in Iraq the leader and Senior al Qaeda representative, Zarqawi, said, "We will get to the bottom of these troubling allegations involving beheadings and if found true bring those responsible to justice".
In a related story, shortly after his interview with Chris Matthews, Zarqawi is set to address the UN General Assembly today on Human Rights issues.
"It's sickening what we are doing to our soldiers, in the name of PC. This gal will spend more time in jail than OJ Simpson. A ten-year sentence for what she did? Feh!"
I double the Feh!
This is where you lost the trail. Those responsible for providing "proper supervision" are being allowed to retire with current rank and bennies. That means Karpinski goes home with a 6 figure retirement income. Is that punishment? It just allows the "nobody told me" excuse while punishing the "just following orders" mentality.
Sorry..I did realize that, then jump shifted persona.
Nobody seems to want to talk about the fact that the prison seemed to have been run by a sex clique within the and under the generals office.
Yes, because Graner and others were prison guards back in the US, and probably had a long history of abusing prisoners.
I don't disagree, but the problem was lack of proper supervision. Not, as some insinuate, that the upper brass were in on it.
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