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Minister ex-communicates members for not backing Bush
Associated Press ^ | May 06. 2005

Posted on 05/06/2005 1:36:32 PM PDT by kingattax

The minister of a Haywood County Baptist church is telling members of his congregation that if they're Democrats, they either need to find another place of worship or support President Bush.

Already, the Reverend Chan Chandler has ex-communicated nine members of East Waynesville Baptist Church. Another 40 members have left in protest.

During last Sunday's sermon, he acknowledged that church members were upset because he named people, and he says he'll do it again because he has to according to the word of God.

Chandler could not be reached for comment today, but says his actions weren't politically motivated.

One former church member says Chandler told some of the members that if they didn't support George Bush, they needed to resign their positions and get out of the church, or go to the altar, repent and agree to vote for Bush.

A former church treasurer says she's at church to worship God and not the preacher.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: adios; apastorwholeads; baptist; baptistchurch; chanchandler; democrats; pastor; presidentbush
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1 posted on 05/06/2005 1:36:32 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: Palladin; Proud Conservative2; dirtboy; yellowdoghunter; writer33; Fam4Bush

PONG


2 posted on 05/06/2005 1:37:55 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

Hmmm...sort of like our own pastor who says if you don't get in and back his "pupose driven" program, you should leave...


3 posted on 05/06/2005 1:39:09 PM PDT by TommyDale
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To: kingattax

I wonder how accurately this is being reported.


4 posted on 05/06/2005 1:39:21 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Iran Azadi || Where are we going, and why are we in this handbasket?)
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To: TommyDale

...so I did.


5 posted on 05/06/2005 1:39:33 PM PDT by TommyDale
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To: kingattax

Goodbye tax-exempt status!!


6 posted on 05/06/2005 1:40:02 PM PDT by Right Angler
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To: Right Angler
Goodbye tax-exempt status!!

Not necessarily...

7 posted on 05/06/2005 1:40:45 PM PDT by TommyDale
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To: sionnsar

Foxnews has this story in their "half-hour" headlines.


8 posted on 05/06/2005 1:40:49 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

All the preacher is doing is connecting truth to reality. So no problemo here. Love to see more of it. Not everyone has to agree but they should at least have choices. We need more diversity after all.


9 posted on 05/06/2005 1:41:10 PM PDT by kimoajax (Rack'em & Stack'em)
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To: sionnsar
I wonder how accurately this is being reported.

You make a very good point. If the story is accurate, the preacher is wrong and needs to be relieved.

10 posted on 05/06/2005 1:41:20 PM PDT by Founding Father (A proud "vigilante." My money goes to support Minutemen, not Republicans.)
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To: kingattax

I guess he figures that Democrats can't be saved, and they have been "turned over to a reprobate mind"?


11 posted on 05/06/2005 1:41:25 PM PDT by TommyDale
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To: kingattax

That's pretty extreme. Even my pastor wouldn't say that.


12 posted on 05/06/2005 1:42:00 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: kingattax

If the preacher owns the building and everything is in his name, there's nothing anyone can do about it, either.


13 posted on 05/06/2005 1:42:18 PM PDT by TommyDale
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To: sionnsar

Accuracy? I doubt there's any--there's not "excommunication" in Baptist Churches, no authority to forbid communiun, although ministers run people off every day.


14 posted on 05/06/2005 1:42:23 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: kingattax
This Pastor is totally out of line. If he wants to start a PAC he should do so, but the Church is for worshiping God, not man.
15 posted on 05/06/2005 1:43:03 PM PDT by redhawk
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To: kimoajax

Truth ro reality? You must be kidding. What he's doing is tying God to a political party. It doesn't matter if your Dem, Repub, Ind or whatever. This doesn't belong in church.


16 posted on 05/06/2005 1:44:40 PM PDT by redhawk
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To: aculeus; dighton; Lijahsbubbe; martin_fierro
Already, the Reverend Chan Chandler has ex-communicated nine members of East Waynesville Baptist Church

FYI

17 posted on 05/06/2005 1:44:46 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Mamzelle

im sure "excommunicate" is the AP's way to describe what happened and is not Baptist doctrinal practice.


18 posted on 05/06/2005 1:45:36 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

Well, it is hard to disagree with the Pastor.....just kidding....sounds like there maybe more to this story than what is being reported.

Sounds like a bunch of disgruntled Democrats who didn't like the preaching about one topic or another.


19 posted on 05/06/2005 1:47:06 PM PDT by yellowdoghunter (FR is so popular that people repost our thoughts on different message boards! It is an honor!)
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To: redhawk
Amen. Christ hung out with a tax collector and prostitute. Those who most have need of him and his message are liberals.
20 posted on 05/06/2005 1:48:54 PM PDT by zencat (The universe is not what it appears, nor is it something else.)
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To: kingattax
Telling people in the congregation to take a hike because he objects to their politics indicates to me that the minister is a nut, if that is what indeed has happened. There are a number of kooks attracted to the ministry--some become quite successful.

Baptist congreations generally elect their pastors, BTW, through member votes. Maybe there's a different kind of politicking going on in this story.

21 posted on 05/06/2005 1:49:48 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: yellowdoghunter

i'm sure it's safe to say the democRATS didn't have the "homosexuality and abortion are sins" sermons on their 'favorites' list.


22 posted on 05/06/2005 1:50:02 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

This is the fourth thread on this subject.


23 posted on 05/06/2005 1:52:18 PM PDT by miele man
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To: zencat

>Amen. Christ hung out with a tax collector and prostitute. Those who most have need of him and his message are liberals.<

He did not say make them Church members and leaders in the church.There is a difference between associating with sinners and ministering to them verses offering them fellowship in the congregation of believers.


24 posted on 05/06/2005 1:54:14 PM PDT by Blessed
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To: kingattax

There is something wrong with this story. Bush was elected back in November, now it's may. He can't run again. But the story says the preacher is (present tense) telling his congregation they have to repent and agree to vote for Bush.

More likely (if there is any truth to this story) he preached about some moral issue for which the democrat party seems to have a firm platform plank against, and when challenged spoke out about it.

The pastor said it wasn't political, and that people were upset because he named names. Sounds like a moral disagreement, not a political one.


25 posted on 05/06/2005 1:55:03 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT (http://spaces.msn.com/members/criticallythinking)
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To: kingattax
2 Corinthians 6:13-15

14Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15What harmony is there between Christ and Belial[a]? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?

maybe the pastor was following this....we don't have all the facts here i'm sure

26 posted on 05/06/2005 1:55:57 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

Agreed - Separation of church and politics.

I was checking out the local Episcopal church until successive sermons had political barbs in them, I'm sure the liberals there appreciated them. No more for me.

Been going the the Roman Catholic church recently and have found other REAL believers. I'm of the opinion that our society could use a very large dose moral instruction, and I think these are the guys to do it!


27 posted on 05/06/2005 1:56:01 PM PDT by CATravelAgent (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.)
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To: Founding Father
I wonder how accurately this is being reported.

You make a very good point. If the story is accurate, the preacher is wrong and needs to be relieved.

Whether he is right or wrong is not for the govt. to decide. You and I could think or know that he is wrong, but we have no authority over what he does in his church in respect to this. If he is under the authority of a denomination they can make that judgement, or the congregation of that church can vote with their feet.

28 posted on 05/06/2005 1:56:30 PM PDT by feedback doctor (God wants to write His law upon the hearts of all)
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To: kingattax

Baptists "excommunicate"????

Fah.


29 posted on 05/06/2005 1:56:49 PM PDT by k2blader (Immorality bites.)
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To: sionnsar
I wonder how accurately this is being reported.

I wonder how accurately Joseph Stalin reported his victims' crimes.

30 posted on 05/06/2005 1:57:21 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: kingattax
One former church member says Chandler told some of the members that if they didn't support George Bush, they needed to resign their positions and get out of the church, or go to the altar, repent and agree to vote for Bush.

What a fruitcake.

31 posted on 05/06/2005 1:57:29 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: k2blader

see # 18


32 posted on 05/06/2005 1:58:10 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: feedback doctor

I'm in 100% agreement with you.


33 posted on 05/06/2005 1:59:51 PM PDT by Founding Father (A proud "vigilante." My money goes to support Minutemen, not Republicans.)
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To: kingattax

more information about the specifics of this situation would be nice. There's a big difference between saying that one cannot support a particular candidate or party to be a member of a church and saying that one has to support a specific candidate. The former is fine and may even be necessary for a pastor to do. The latter is crossing the line IMO.


34 posted on 05/06/2005 2:00:11 PM PDT by sassbox
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To: CharlesWayneCT

>More likely (if there is any truth to this story) he preached about some moral issue for which the democrat party seems to have a firm platform plank against, and when challenged spoke out about it. <

If you watch the video that is what they start out saying then throw in the part about Bush.Unfortunately many SBC churches are still have a membership dominated by the "greatest Generation".They are the people that strayed from teaching "Lordship" and were more concerned with the "Priesthood of the Believer" than taking strong Biblical stands against anything other than alcohol.This resulted in the 60"s children of the SBC being the most fertile hunting ground for Mormans and new age beliefs.

I suspect a strong Bible preaching pastor is butting heads with 60 year old Deacons that think it is their church and the Preacher works for them.


35 posted on 05/06/2005 2:04:44 PM PDT by Blessed
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To: kingattax
Although it is hard to understand how any Christian could back the party of immorality and lawlessness, the Pastor needs to remember the story of the Prodigals son. There is plenty of room for Dems in the Kingdom. Jesus died for EVERYBODY!

And besides, from some of the posts on this site, its obvious many conservatives don't have a clue who Jesus is either.

Romans 5
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Ephesians 1:7
In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

2 Peter 3
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

36 posted on 05/06/2005 2:05:24 PM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Proverbs 10:30 The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth.)
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To: kingattax

That's like excluding unsaved people from church.


37 posted on 05/06/2005 2:06:41 PM PDT by TeenagedConservative
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To: sionnsar
"I wonder how accurately this is being reported."

My thoughts, too. The Press is exceedingly lazy in fact-checking in these kinds of stories. The organization Americans United for Separation of Church and State just issued a report saying that the Air Force Academy is heavily biased against non-evangelicals. When you get to the details of the report, they include as "evidence" things like the fact that the Academy plays its football games on Saturday, which is the Jewish Sabbath, so of course, that's showing bias against Jews.

38 posted on 05/06/2005 2:08:27 PM PDT by cookcounty ("We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the Courts" ---Abe Lincoln, 1858.)
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To: HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath
There is plenty of room for Dems in the Kingdom

Not without true repentance there isn't....for 'Dems' or anyone else who hasn't.

39 posted on 05/06/2005 2:08:41 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: TommyDale

Good discernment. The Purpose Driven Life is as substantial and nourishing as cotton candy.


40 posted on 05/06/2005 2:09:32 PM PDT by Zechariah11
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To: TeenagedConservative

>That's like excluding unsaved people from church.<

I don't know any church that excludes anyone who is not disrupptive from attending but only believers may be members and leaders.Their is a difference.


41 posted on 05/06/2005 2:10:34 PM PDT by Blessed
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To: kingattax

My former pastor would ask you to leave if you were talking and distracting others. Colonel R.B Thieme, one of the best Bible teachers ever.


42 posted on 05/06/2005 2:12:21 PM PDT by Zechariah11
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To: TeenagedConservative

Well, the word "church" has become corrupted to mean a place where people go on Sunday. Some are Christians, some are not, but they go to 'church.' The Bible's definition of a church is those who have been saved, born again, and are dedicated worshipers of God...God's family. Sounds like what this minister is trying to do is tell his people, 'if you're not following Godly principles then you don't belong here.' But it's not for him to say that if you voted one way or the other you're not saved. Lots of folks are being sanctified, and that's a long progression at times. I say he's out of line here. I think if he teaches scripture and teaches it faithfully those who don't support Christians tenants will just leave automatically.


43 posted on 05/06/2005 2:12:54 PM PDT by Freepertwo
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To: kingattax

This does NOT help...


44 posted on 05/06/2005 2:13:31 PM PDT by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: kingattax

Thank you, and agreed.

The AP needs to buy a clue, as usual.


45 posted on 05/06/2005 2:13:36 PM PDT by k2blader (Immorality bites.)
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To: Right Angler
Goodbye tax-exempt status!!

Big deal. Let 'em render to Caesar. I'd like to see a church show some faith instead of blaming the tax laws for their lack of it.

46 posted on 05/06/2005 2:15:15 PM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: k2blader

they sure do


47 posted on 05/06/2005 2:15:39 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: sionnsar

"I wonder how accurately this is being reported."
As they say in Pennsylvania, "So don't I!" ^_^


48 posted on 05/06/2005 2:15:40 PM PDT by Winfield (sham)
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To: sionnsar

<< I wonder how accurately this is being reported. >>

THANK YOU.

It never fails to astonish me: when FReepers like a story from AP or Reuters, they immediately forget EVERYTHING we've learned about the MSM, and jump all over it.

And of course typical AP -- couldn't find one word to explain the pastor's stance, and couldn't locate one member who supported him.

Dan


49 posted on 05/06/2005 2:16:57 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: newgeezer

does anyone know if the SCOTUS has ever decided a case involving "tax exemption" and a "church" ?


50 posted on 05/06/2005 2:17:21 PM PDT by kingattax
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