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Christianity taking over the planet?
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Posted on 05/07/2005 8:05:03 AM PDT by churchillbuff

What is the fastest-growing religion on Earth?

Most news reports suggest it is Islam.

But a new book makes a compelling case it is a new, or, perhaps, old form of biblically inspired evangelical Christianity that is sweeping through places like China, Africa, India and Southeast Asia.

In "Megashift," author Jim Rutz coins a new phrase to define this fast-growing segment of the population. He calls them "core apostolics" - or "the new saints who are at the heart of the mushrooming kingdom of God."

Rutz makes the point that Christianity is overlooked as the fastest-growing faith in the world because most surveys look at the traditional Protestant denominations and the Roman Catholic Church while ignoring Christian believers who have no part of either.

He says there are 707 million "switched-on disciples" who fit into this new category and that this "church" is exploding in growth.

"The growing core of Christianity crosses theological lines and includes 707 million born-again people who are increasing by 8 percent a year," he says.

So fast is this group growing that, under current trends, according to Rutz, the entire world will be composed of such believers by the year 2032.

"There will be pockets of resistance and unforeseen breakthroughs," writes Rutz. "Still, at the rate we're growing now, to be comically precise, there would be more Christians than people by the autumn of 2032, about 8.2 billion."

According to the author, until 1960, Western evangelicals outnumbered non-Western evangelicals - mostly Latinos, blacks and Asians - by two to one. As of 2000, non-Western evangelicals outnumbered Westerners by four to one. He says by 2010, the ratio will be seven to one.

"There are now more missionaries sent from non-Western nations than Western nations," he writes.

This trend, says Rutz, has been missed by Westerners because the explosive growth is elsewhere.

Hundreds of millions of these Christians are simply not associated with the institutional churches at all. They meet in homes. They meet underground. They meet in caves. They meet, he says, in secret.

And what is driving this movement?

Miracles, he says.

"Megashift" attempts to document myriad healings and other powerful answers to the sincere prayers of this new category of believer, including, believe it or not, hundreds of dramatic cases of resurrections - not near-death experiences, but real resurrections of actual corpses.

"When I was a kid in Sunday school, I was really impressed that 3,000 people were saved on the Day of Pentecost," he writes. "I thought, 'Wow, that'll never happen again!"

But, Rutz says, it now happens around the globe every 25 minutes.

"By tomorrow, there will be 175,000 more Christians than there are today," he writes.

The essence of Rutz's book is about how Western Christians can tap into what he sees as a mighty work of God on Earth.

"Very few people realize the nature of life on Earth is going through a major change," he writes. "We are seeing a megashift in the basic direction of human history. Until our time, the ancient war between good and evil was hardly better than a stalemate. Now all has changed. The Creator whose epic story flows through the pages of Scripture has begun to dissolve the strongholds of evil. This new drama is being played out every hour around the globe, accompanied sometimes by mind-bending miracles."


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To: Quix
However, Jesus was not railing at the pharisees over style.

Oh I agree with that. We must be wary from every angle.

81 posted on 05/07/2005 9:37:04 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: Quix; P-Marlowe; xzins
I love the old hymns. I love SOME modern stuff.

Me too. I love old, good hymns. I love modern Christian music like Caedmon's Call and Jars of Clay - not exactly the most bass-pounding music out there.

I'm not big on rap - but you know what? We're ordered to compel the world to come into the Kingdom. If hip-hop and rap does that, then I am all for it. It's not my style, but I can put up with it because the Church is bigger than my musical tastes.

A corollary example - I find kid's Christmas programs annoying and irritating, but I would never say the church should get rid of them. The kids love them - and it gets them involved - and grandparents love them, and you get people who otherwise wouldn't darken the step of a door coming in to watch little Johnny play a shepherd boy. I'll enthusiastically support that, even though it grates on me.

82 posted on 05/07/2005 9:40:51 AM PDT by jude24 ("Stupid" isn't illegal - but it should be.)
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To: Quix

Interesting...we share more than just strong convictions. I asked the Music Pastor to use a sound level meter, and it showed that the music was in excess of 100 db as well. Human hearing begins to suffer damage when sounds exceed safe levels
starting at about 90db.


83 posted on 05/07/2005 9:41:06 AM PDT by TommyDale
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To: TommyDale

Plenty of truth in that.

I don't think 2nd generation stuff usually does very well at all.

I listened to 100's of hours of Kenneth Hagin's tapes. I don't recall ever catching him in an unBiblical statement or attitude. And, he had some 'outs' that his son even and other disciples would not acknowledge.

His son came across to me as an arrogant . . . and I had no respect for his ministry. I think Copeland does well. But I wouldn't give a plug nickel for a host of Hagin disciples. A LOT got lost in the translation.

I think Warren has a lot that CAN be useful to a lot of churches. But to slavishly apply anything--even Scripture IF NOT LED OF HOLY SPIRIT can be as deadly as the letter of the law.

I think a big problem is too many pastors and parishioners failing to GO TO THE LORD, THE FATHER, THE SPIRIT DAILY moment by moment to get their marching orders as well as daily Manna.

Being lazy and trying to shoehorn their ministry onto the coattails of someone else's--no matter how Biblical or Spirit-led the original--will typically not work or not work well.

Some are earnestly seeking to do GREAT THINGS FOR GOD so they hop on the latest bandwagon. But often, God is still interested in them learning to BE WITH HIM, FOCUSED ON HIM, LEARNING DIRECTLY FROM HIM--even learning to be broken before Him. And therefore, HE WILL SABOTAGE EVEN THE BEST SYSTEM OR PATTERN OR METHOD. It's not about systems or patterns or methods. It's about RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FATHER. And too often, pastors chase around all over the creation avoiding that and trying to make every other THING produce SUCCESS--which is too often translated into big numbers of people and dollars.


84 posted on 05/07/2005 9:42:35 AM PDT by Quix (--AVOID MERE FORM OF GODLINESS; SEEK HIS FACE. WALK IN HIS SPIRIT.)
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To: Irene Adler

I haven't found a bit of

works righteousness

in Rick's writings.


85 posted on 05/07/2005 9:43:27 AM PDT by Quix (--AVOID MERE FORM OF GODLINESS; SEEK HIS FACE. WALK IN HIS SPIRIT.)
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To: jude24

So right you are.

THE DOCTRINES [all 13,873,666 of them] OF NATTERING NABOBS OF TOTALLY NEEDFUL SUPER RIGHTEOUS NEGATIVITY.

God have mercy.


86 posted on 05/07/2005 9:44:49 AM PDT by Quix (--AVOID MERE FORM OF GODLINESS; SEEK HIS FACE. WALK IN HIS SPIRIT.)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
Manfred, I went to the Men of Honor site you posted. Looks pretty good to me.

I should point out that as an attender of what many would call a "seeker sensitive" church, and one that has gone through the "40 days of Purpose", and has implemented the thrust of the "Purpose Driven Church", the church that sponsors the site, Houston North, seems to me to be a classic "seeker sensitive" church.

However, in the discussion of the "seeker sensitive" church, the following quote is made...According to Scripture--all church services are to be "believers' services". Really? Now where do you suppose Scripture says that. Where does Scripture say anything at all about "church services"?

I'm not here to argue, but every time something is posted like the original post, out comes a bunch of self-righteous, critical Christians who simply twist and misuse Scripture to negate the many ways the Holy Spirit can use to bring people to Christ.
87 posted on 05/07/2005 9:45:07 AM PDT by norge
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To: TommyDale; Quix

Two samples, first a fairly brief review, and then more detailed, from a collection at:
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/bookreviews.html

http://www.svchapel.org/Resources/BookReviews/book_reviews.asp?ID=233

The Purpose Driven Life
by Rick Warren
Warren has emerged as one of the best selling authors in Christendom. His first book, The Purpose Driven Church (see our review of this book) has greatly influenced churches throughout the world, due certainly to the fact that the church he pastors, Saddleback Church, is one of the largest churches in America, and a trend setter among new paradigm churches.

There are a number of similarities between The Purpose Driven Church and the book under review at this time. Both, for instance, offer some good sound advice, helpful biblical insight and practical suggestions. And both are riddled with errors throughout. The highly discerning reader can perhaps sift through the wheat and tares and make a good loaf of bread, but most readers, I fear, will swallow the poison along with the substance. Which leads me to ask, "Who is Warren's audience?" I realize that this book will sell in the millions but I was thoroughly bewildered as to whom the author was trying to connect. If it is a book for the unsaved then he fails, for the gospel is never at anytime clearly presented. The closest he came was when he wrote, "Real Life begins by committing yourself completely to Jesus Christ" (p. 58). In Warren's gospel no mention is made of sin, repentance or even the Cross. Real life seems to be the reward and lack of real life the problem. The thesis of The Purpose Driven Life is stated, I believe, on page twenty five, "We discover that meaning and purpose only when we make God the reference point of our lives." Meaning and purpose will be a benefit to the Christian, but they are not the objects of the gospel itself. This is one of the fatal flaws in the market-driven church's message. If Warren is writing for new believers, which seems the case due to the elementary tone and substance of the whole book, he again misses the mark for he uses many expressions and biblical references that would be unfamiliar to the novice. On the other hand, if he is writing to the mature he has wasted paper, for any semi-well taught believer will be completely bored with this book. So, while much praise will surely be lavished on Purpose Driven, it escapes me as to whom will really benefit.

Be that as it may, I want to give credit where credit is due. Warren writes some good sections on a number of subjects including worship, community, the church, truth and spiritual gifts. If some of these sectors could be isolated from the main body they would make for helpful reading. But when interspersed with any number of erroneous ideas, distortions of Scripture and plain false teaching they are of little value, and may prove dangerous.

As I read this book I began marking these errors in teaching. I found 42 such references, plus 18 out of context passages of Scripture, supposedly used to prove his point, and another 9 distorted translations (one of the most disturbing features is Warren's use of many translations, ultimately choosing the one that proved his point, no matter how untrue to the original Greek and Hebrew those translations were). Warren is obviously a disciple of pop-psychology, which is littered throughout. One example, "Most conflict is rooted in unmet needs" (p.154). Try to find some Scripture on that. He quoted a wide variety of dubious authors, from Aldous Huxley and Albert Schweitzer to George Barnard Shaw and St. John of the Cross. He apparently believes practicing Roman Catholics are true believers, several times mentioning monks and nuns as Christian examples, and of course the mandatory reference to Mother Teresa (twice).

We could go on but there is not much point. To carefully refute so many of Warren's thoughts would take a book of equal length. He is not totally off base, and most likely is as evangelical as most evangelicals. Nevertheless when every third page of a book presents either an unbiblical, or at least a biblically unsupportable idea, there is not much sense bothering to read it. And that would be my suggestion - don't bother.
reviewed by Gary E. Gilley, Pastor-Teacher

http://www.biblebb.com/files/pdc.htm
The Purpose-Driven Church by Nathan Busenitz
Copyright 2003, Pulpit - Shepherds' Fellowship. All Rights Reserved.

If numbers were the only standard of success, The Purpose-Driven Church by Rick Warren would stand as one of the greatest books of our time. Having sold over one million copies in 20 different languages, it was selected as one of the “100 Christian Books that Changed the 20th Century.” Its supporters include men like W. A. Criswell, Bill Bright, Jerry Falwell, Robert Schuller, Adrian Rogers, and Jack Hayford. And the church that serves as its paradigm, Saddleback Church of Southern California, has grown from the house where it started (in 1980) to a weekly attendance of 16,000.

Yet, numbers are not the only measure of success—in fact, they’re not the standard at all. Rather, God teaches that His standard is faithfulness to His Word. After all, 1 Timothy 3:15 says that the purpose of the church is to be “the pillar and support of the truth.” And 2 Timothy 2:15 says that the purpose of the pastor is to accurately handle “the word of truth.” It is “the knowledge of the truth” that leads to godliness (Titus 1:1), and it is “obedience to the truth” that purifies the soul (1 Pet. 1:22). Thus, “as fellow workers of the truth” (1 John 3:18), pastors should seek to minister “for the sake of the truth” (2 John 2), in order that the people in their congregations might be those “who walk in truth” (2 John 4). The biblical standard of success is never numbers, but rather the accurate proclamation of God’s truth (2 Tim. 2:15; James 3:1). With this in mind, Warren’s seeker-sensitive model reveals several weaknesses.

Entertainment v. Exposition

A primary weakness in Warren’s approach is that he emphasizes the pastor’s ability to entertain over the pastor’s responsibility to speak the truth. On p. 231, Warren argues:

I’ve heard pastors proudly say, ‘We’re not here to entertain.’ Obviously they’re doing a good job at it. A Gallup poll a few years ago stated that, according to the unchurched, the church is the most boring place to be. . . . To the unchurched, dull preaching is unforgivable. Truth poorly delivered is ignored. On the other hand, the unchurched will listen to absolute foolishness if it is interesting.

While homiletics is certainly an important part of preaching, it is not the most important part. For Warren, the presentation seems to be more important than the truth being presented. The Apostle Paul’s priorities, however, were just the opposite—how he preached was not nearly as important as what he preached:

For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made void. (1 Cor. 1:17)

And when I came to you, brethren, I did not come with superiority of speech or of wisdom, proclaiming to you the testimony of God. For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified. I was with you in weakness and in fear and in much trembling, and my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, so that your faith would not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God. (2 Cor. 2:1-5)

In light of his desire for relevance, Warren’s preaching is naturally determined more by His audience than by the Scripture. On p. 227 he says:

One reason sermon study is so difficult for many pastors is because they ask the wrong question. Instead of asking, “What shall I preach on this Sunday?” they should be asking, “To whom will I be preaching?” Simply thinking through the needs of the audience will help determine God’s will for the message. . . . People’s immediate needs are a key to where God would have you begin speaking on that particular occasion.

Of course, Warren is referring to "felt needs" - people's own perception of their needs, which translates into what they want. Again, when compared to Paul, Warren’s method comes up short. Instead of beginning with his audience, simply telling them what they wanted to hear, Paul started with the truth he knew his audience needed (even if they did not want to hear it). He says:

For am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a bond-servant of Christ. For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ (Gal. 1:10-12).

In contrast, the seeker-sensitive model appears to put a higher priority on pleasing the audience than on honoring the Lord. It is no wonder, then, that Warren can say: “Being seeker sensitive in our worship is a biblical command” (p. 243) and “Keep your pastoral prayers short in your seeker services. . . . The unchurched can’t handle long prayers; their minds wander or they fall asleep.” Again, the question remains, should unbelievers determine what we do in the church, or should Scripture determine what we do? Warren’s answer seems to be unbelievers (see p. 189).

Sensitivity v. Sovereignty

Because of its seeker-sensitive approach, Warren’s model encourages easy-believism whereas Scripture emphasizes sin, repentance, and self-denial. On pp. 303-305, Warren works through practical steps for persuading unbelievers to make a commitment for Christ. In fact, on p. 219, he states, “It is my deep conviction that anybody can be won to Christ if you discover the key to his or her heart . . . . The most likely place to start is with the person’s felt needs.” At least two problems immediately arise with Warren’s model.

First, Warren dilutes the gospel in order to make it easier to believe. Stephen Lewis, in reviewing The Purpose Driven Church says this:

Not once does The Purpose Driven Church give a clear gospel message. In asking what people want (rather than what the Bible says they need) has Warren created followers or multitudes based upon their desires or perceived needs? Ironically, in John chapter 6, Jesus rebuked the very people He had just fed, because they only followed Him in search of more bread to satisfy their immediate hunger. Jesus met people’s needs as a way of revealing and/or authenticating Himself before men. Any model purposing to create followers based upon fulfilling perceived needs risks making this into an end in itself. Again, where does The Purpose-Driven Church give people what they really need, the gospel of grace?” (CTSJ 6/2 April 2000, 56)

Second, Warren denies the sovereignty of God in salvation. By assuming that he can lead anyone to Christ through felt-needs, Warren directly contradicts the biblical doctrine of election. After all, Scripture makes it clear that only those whom God calls will repent (Matt. 11:27; John 6:65; Rom. 9:18-24; Acts 13:48; Eph. 1:4-11; 1 Peter 1:1-2). Warren’s seeker-sensitive approach denies the power of the Holy Spirit to use God’s truth, no matter how it is presented, to penetrate the heart and bring spiritual life.

Other Theological Considerations

In his Shepherds' Conference seminar “Evaluating the Church Growth Movement,” Rick Holland identifies several other theological problems with Warren’s seeker-sensitive model.

Warren assumes that the primary purpose of Sunday morning church services is to reach out to unbelievers (see p. 243). In the New Testament, however, the reason the church gathers is for worship and equipping (Eph. 4:11-16; Acts 2:37-47). Evangelism is to primarily take place in the believer’s life context (“as you go”—Matt. 28:18-20) rather than being the main focus of the Sunday worship service.

Warren assumes that unbelievers are “seeking,” yet Scripture says, “There is none who seeks for God” (Rom. 3:11; Ps. 14:1-3).

Warren assumes that the gospel can be made inoffensive to unbelievers if presented correctly. Yet, Scripture teaches that the gospel is, by its very nature, offensive to those who hate God (1 Cor. 1:18, 21, 23, 25; 2:14; 1 Pet. 2:7-8).

Warren assumes that the style of music a church uses is one of its most important keys to reaching the culture (see pp. 280-281). Interestingly, the New Testament is silent regarding this “critical” element of church growth.

Warren assumes that large numbers indicate true success. He even says, “Never criticize any method that God is blessing” (p. 156) and interprets the “blessing” as that which draws a crowd. But what about the prophet Jeremiah’s ministry? He faithfully proclaimed the truth his entire life and yet saw no fruit. According to Warren’s model, Jeremiah was a failure.

Final Assessment

While Warren’s book does offer some practical tips for making a church larger, it fails to expound the foundational theological truths that make a church more biblical. Because it overemphasizes the felt needs of unbelievers and de-emphasizes the priority of clear biblical teaching, The Purpose-Driven Church seems to be driven by the wrong purpose—namely, a man-centered desire for acceptance and influence rather than a God-centered affinity for truth.

In this vein, the words of Al Mohler are very appropriate:

One of the fundamental issues of misunderstanding that leads to corrupt churchmanship in our generation is the failure to distinguish between a crowd and a church. The failure to distinguish between a crowd and a church is . . . to misunderstand everything about preaching, everything about ministry, everything about our task. If we think our business is to build a crowd, frankly any of us can do it. There’s a way to bring and draw and attract a crowd. . . . Let us never mistake a crowd for a church [or] think our business is to draw a crowd.

(Shepherds’ Conference audio recording, March, 6, 2003)


88 posted on 05/07/2005 9:45:12 AM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: churchillbuff
Taking over the planet? Not yet, but it will in the end!


89 posted on 05/07/2005 9:45:37 AM PDT by rdb3 (To the world, you're one person. To one person, you may be the world.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

AMEN!


90 posted on 05/07/2005 9:46:01 AM PDT by Quix (--AVOID MERE FORM OF GODLINESS; SEEK HIS FACE. WALK IN HIS SPIRIT.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
"And the church is trying to be "seeker-friendly" because no one is doing their job throughout the week."

I think you hit the nail on the head here. In my local church, the pastor doesn't bother to call on the sick, visit, or perform any of the traditional roles of a pastor. Instead, he is running around the country holding seminars on "How to grow a church" when he can't grow his own. Oh, he's had hundreds of new people come, but hundreds of others depart, because it is "seeker friendly" rather than congregation friendly. A family member who was suffering from a very serious illness was never even given the courtesy of a prayer or visit. Instead, the failure to help them was blamed by saying "our home care group dropped the ball". THIS IS THE INDICTMENT OF THE SEEKER FRIENDLY CHURCH! They seek new members, but cannot take care of who is already there!

91 posted on 05/07/2005 9:46:26 AM PDT by TommyDale
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To: jude24

Totally agree with you.


92 posted on 05/07/2005 9:47:27 AM PDT by Quix (--AVOID MERE FORM OF GODLINESS; SEEK HIS FACE. WALK IN HIS SPIRIT.)
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To: jude24

We should all pray for discernment! Don't you think?


93 posted on 05/07/2005 9:48:59 AM PDT by old school
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To: TommyDale

Yup.

I got my own meter and used it in back of the church--where I was forced to sit by the volume.

It was routinely 94db--104db and too often 115-125db. Ridiculous. Uncaring. Destructive.

And Arrogant.

One fellow quit playing electric guitar because the sound man had some gumption to turn him down slightly. Sheesh.


94 posted on 05/07/2005 9:49:35 AM PDT by Quix (--AVOID MERE FORM OF GODLINESS; SEEK HIS FACE. WALK IN HIS SPIRIT.)
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To: mollynme
Just out of curiosity - what is your definition of "the true Church"?

My definition is 'the heart'.

95 posted on 05/07/2005 9:50:32 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: old school; xzins; P-Marlowe
"Discernment" is a catch-all term that includes everything from legitimate caution and care (which I would never criticize) to the arrogant sniping of narrow-minded, self-righteous chruch members who justify not getting of their lazy butts, but sit securely in pissant little "ministries" that do nothing but condemn other Christians, and send out "newsletters" to self-goading amen choruses.

The first is legitimate. The second is what is going on here.

96 posted on 05/07/2005 9:53:46 AM PDT by jude24 ("Stupid" isn't illegal - but it should be.)
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To: norge

but every time something is posted like the original post, out comes a bunch of self-righteous, critical Christians who simply twist and misuse Scripture to negate the many ways the Holy Spirit can use to bring people to Christ.

I VERY MUCH AGREE--and it still drives me to distractions.


97 posted on 05/07/2005 9:55:19 AM PDT by Quix (--AVOID MERE FORM OF GODLINESS; SEEK HIS FACE. WALK IN HIS SPIRIT.)
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To: 68 grunt

I was given the "left boot of fellowship" because I dared to share some materials (posted in this thread by someone else)
with a fellow member. The pastor wanted me removed because he felt that I "didn't share his vision or direction". I said, "Praise God! That is 100% TRUE!"


98 posted on 05/07/2005 9:55:50 AM PDT by TommyDale
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To: Brilliant
The use of extra-biblical material and methods is contributing to this church-growth phenomenon. I'm not entirely convinced that it is Christianity that we see growing at all, but rather "churchianity".

Another of the more virulent strains of church growth methodologies is the "G12" or "Government of 12" method propounded by Cesar Castellanos. In this method, people are expected to disciple 12 others, who then each disciple twelve more, who then each etc. His ICM church in Bogota, Columbia has used this discipling method to grow a church of 300,000+. He has exported this method around the world over the past ten years and pastors have adopted it for themselves with pretty amazing growth results.

There are concerns about the growth being at the expense of other churches, rather than an increase of new believers. Also, the turnaround time between being a brand-new believer and a leader of twelve more n00bies, is alarmingly short. In otherwords, there is very little time to become scripturally mature and grounded in the faith. Sort of like green 2nd Lieutenants on the battlefield. I've seen firsthand that the turnover rate is extremely high.

99 posted on 05/07/2005 9:56:07 AM PDT by Ol' Sox
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To: churchillbuff

My Japanese pastor went to China recently to try to contact the "Christian underground" there. As many of you know, China requires Christians to worship at the state sponsored church, which is closely monitored by China.

He met the underground in a tea house on the outskirts of Shanghai. The movement of Christianity is huge and noone knows the true numbers of Christians there, because there is little or no network and China throws people even suspected of Christianity in jail for torture. One of the biggest challenges for the Chinese christian community is GETTING A PERSON WHO CAN READ THE BIBLE. Many people outside the cities desperately want the Bible read to them, but have no one who can do it.


100 posted on 05/07/2005 9:56:11 AM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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