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'Slavery' called a growing fear for immigrants
NorthJersey.com ^ | May 8, 2005 | MIGUEL PEREZ

Posted on 05/08/2005 6:46:48 AM PDT by Boston Blackie

PARAMUS - Victims of human trafficking are growing in numbers "right underneath our noses," North Jersey Asian-Americans were told Saturday in a workshop designed to help community activists identify and assist the casualties of this "modern-day slavery."

According to government estimates, between 18,000 and 20,000 immigrants are smuggled into the United States every year for labor or sexual exploitation - including some 4,000 coming to New Jersey - mostly from Asia, Latin America and Eastern Europe.

(Excerpt) Read more at northjersey.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: aliens; asianamericans; humantrafficking; immigrantlist; newjersey; nj

1 posted on 05/08/2005 6:46:48 AM PDT by Boston Blackie
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To: Boston Blackie

Thousands of Slaves still in New Jersey? Isn't that a Northern State...how can that be.


2 posted on 05/08/2005 6:55:52 AM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: Calpernia

ping


3 posted on 05/08/2005 7:03:20 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (Airspeed, altitude, or brains. Two are required to successfully complete a flight.)
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To: Boston Blackie
This whole thing makes me very angry," said Fong Yee, a Chinese-American from Springfield. "I want to know what we are going to do about it. If these people are in our neighborhoods, under our noses, then we have to go out and be more nosy."

How many are there, really, and where are they? Seems to me the "system" will free them if we know where they are.

4 posted on 05/08/2005 7:05:03 AM PDT by stevem
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To: Boston Blackie

There's a simple solution: Leave.


5 posted on 05/08/2005 7:05:41 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Boston Blackie

It's one of the reasons illegal immigration exists. When people come here illegally they face deportation if they report mistreatment. If they come here legally they are protected under our laws and they have recourse and a means of escaping the situation.


6 posted on 05/08/2005 7:05:51 AM PDT by cripplecreek (I don't suffer from stress. I am a carrier!)
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To: Boston Blackie

If only we could popularize the notion that these people will be turned into slaves... It would solve our immigration problem.


7 posted on 05/08/2005 7:06:43 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Boston Blackie

The title of the article should be "'Slavery' called a growing fear for illegal aliens"

These people are not immigrants, and I am personally sick of "Asian American, African American,Mexican American, etc." You're either an American or not. Come to this Country legally, you are entitled to our laws, come here illegally, you get NOTHING.

Jeff


8 posted on 05/08/2005 7:10:59 AM PDT by MississippyMuddy (No peace, without FREEDOM!!)
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To: Boston Blackie

Shush.!! How can we get more people to come to the U.S. and be our slaves if this secret gets out?


9 posted on 05/08/2005 8:31:32 AM PDT by BallyBill
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

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10 posted on 05/08/2005 9:23:48 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Brilliant; Boston Blackie; HiJinx; mhking; rdb3; Travis McGee; B4Ranch
If only we could popularize the notion that these people will be turned into slaves... It would solve our immigration problem.

No it wouldn't. What I fear, and I think I've heard Victor Davis Hanson express similar ideas, is that America never gave up its need for slavery. We've just relabeled it "menial labor."

If this is true, the implications to our sense of self-respect and our ability to treat our fellow human beings fairly would be severely compromised. I think the illegal immigration crisis is rooted in this problem. It is why Wall Street refuses to help solve it. It is why there is bipartisan denial as wide as the Mississippi.

I'm not talking about mandating minimum wages or anything like that. I'm talking about what we think about others who work for us, and what that means to our fellow human beings. When people can't raise families on their wages, what does that say about our commitment to a humane economy? If we intentionally relegate certain jobs to the level of "slave labor" (calling it menial), no amount of social Darwinism can justify our economic ethics.

Illegal immigration would be the only way to satisfy demand for such labor, if this were true. I look around at the people working at illegal wages, and I see slaves.

I don't believe that a "free market" exists when supplemented by unfair labor prices. If the market were based on fair practices, it would equalize itself out and minimum wages could go away. I'm saying that true capitalism where a community matters can solve this problem. If we don't try to solve it, the Marxists among us will continue to have popular support. In other words, we should solve them in the Republican party. We should end illegal immigration and pay American citizens and legal immigrants what the market then dictates.

11 posted on 05/08/2005 10:23:46 AM PDT by risk
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To: risk

What you're missing is that if they thought they would be slaves, they wouldn't come.


12 posted on 05/08/2005 10:34:06 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: MississippyMuddy
...and I am personally sick of "Asian American, African American,Mexican American, etc."

I concur. The next time you read "Euro-American" on these boards, whack them too.


13 posted on 05/08/2005 10:43:38 AM PDT by rdb3 (To the world, you're one person. To one person, you may be the world.)
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To: rdb3

AGREED!!!!!


14 posted on 05/08/2005 10:46:38 AM PDT by MississippyMuddy (No peace, without FREEDOM!!)
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To: AmericanMade1776
Thousands of Slaves still in New Jersey? Isn't that a Northern State...how can that be.It's a "Blue" (Democratic Party) state. All the slave states were "Blue". Slavery has a long tradition within the Democratic Party.
15 posted on 05/08/2005 10:49:57 AM PDT by reg45
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To: Brilliant

It's more important to think about how we think of them.


16 posted on 05/08/2005 10:51:48 AM PDT by risk
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To: rdb3

lol, i guess i'll take my lumps :)


17 posted on 05/08/2005 10:52:33 AM PDT by risk
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To: cripplecreek

I wish it were that simple. My belief is that illegal aliens do not have the same rights as an American citizen....Enter the ACLU. I thought that the acronym (ACLU) stood for AMERICAN Civil Literties Union?


18 posted on 05/08/2005 10:57:13 AM PDT by NY Attitude
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To: NY Attitude
Enter the ACLU. I thought that the acronym (ACLU) stood for AMERICAN Civil Literties Union?

The ACLU should be sued for false advertising. They're not American (read: they don't have America's best interests at heart), they are not civil, and they only believe in the liberties of deviants, criminals, and atheists. The only truth in their name is "Union." And we know just how righteous unions are, right?


19 posted on 05/08/2005 11:01:54 AM PDT by rdb3 (To the world, you're one person. To one person, you may be the world.)
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To: rdb3; risk
This is the end game. Our "leaders" will pretend to be shocked when the courts make this next move.

Fernando Ortiz was a ‘landscape engineer’ on Long Island who had demanded to be able to vote, on the basis that he had been paying state and federal taxes for ten years. Actually, he had been stopped from casting a ballot by a poll watcher who had suspected his citizenship status, and (illegally, as it turned out) demanded proof of his identity and legal qualification to vote. Ortiz had won a multi-million dollar settlement against the Republican Party of New York in the subsequent “racial profiling and ethnic intimidation” civil suit, but he did not stop there.

Instead, with massive support from the ACLU and various Hispanic “immigrants rights” foundations, he had pressed his demand to be allowed to vote all the way to the Supreme Court…and he won. The Supreme Court, in its famous 5-4 decision, ruled that negligence in securing America’s borders against illegal immigration on the part of the federal government, could not be held against “undocumented workers who played by the rules and paid their taxes,” once they were established in America—legally or not. The federal government had not taken reasonable efforts to secure the border, and had not pursued "undocumented workers" in the USA. Instead, it openly permitted them most of the benefits of citizenship, and it collected their taxes. "No taxation without representation!" was the cry heard all the way to the Supreme Court. The State of New York had then sleep-walked through an aimless and desultory case for denying the vote—and citizenship—to “undocumented workers.”

Following Ortiz v. New York, a stunned America woke up to discover that there were not only an amazing twenty-two million illegal aliens hiding in plain sight across the land, but that eight million of them immediately qualified to vote. In a nation split 50-50 down party and ideological lines, these eight million new voters were recognized to be the certain majority-makers in future elections, and both parties set record lows for cravenness in pandering to their “needs.” Chief among their “needs” were liberal new family reunification laws, and these instant citizens—illegal aliens only a year before—began bringing the remainders of their families to the USA. Legally.


20 posted on 05/08/2005 11:09:36 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: rdb3

My point exactly.


21 posted on 05/08/2005 11:11:38 AM PDT by NY Attitude
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To: Boston Blackie
According to government estimates, between 18,000 and 20,000 immigrants foreign nationals are smuggled into the United States...
22 posted on 05/08/2005 11:55:55 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Travis McGee

It's ironic: somehow, people see it as "fair" that slaves (illegal immigrants) be granted suffrage. Once the consistency of our fundamental laws is undermined, nothing makes sense anylonger. We are a nation of laws, not men. Right now, men (and women) are encouraging the violation of these laws for economic reasons, political reasons, and a lack of will. They're seriously underestimating the impact of flouting American immigration law.


23 posted on 05/08/2005 12:17:43 PM PDT by risk
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To: gubamyster

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Be Ever Vigilant!

Minutemen Patriots ~ Bump!


24 posted on 05/08/2005 2:09:09 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Travis McGee

Fernando Ortiz was a ‘landscape engineer’ on Long Island who had demanded to be able to vote, on the basis that he had been paying state and federal taxes for ten years.

** WHAT BULLSHIT. No voting whatsoever. I live in Hempstead village drowing in illegals and the property taxes only go up and up and up...Ask any other Long Islander what they think about property taxes Senor Ortiz.


25 posted on 05/08/2005 2:13:22 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: cyborg

To your comments, I agree. My house in Medford not too far from Farmingville where Al Roker did his special on illegals being beaten and killed on Long Island.


26 posted on 05/08/2005 2:20:43 PM PDT by NY Attitude
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To: NY Attitude

Oh I remember when Ed Tyll went to the 7-11 on Horseblock Road and documented all the illegal activity there. It's so sad because the politicians let it happen.


27 posted on 05/08/2005 2:25:20 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: cyborg
Amen to what you said. It truly is unfortunate that the ambiance of area has slipped because of the PC nature of the individuals that were voted in.
28 posted on 05/08/2005 2:34:28 PM PDT by NY Attitude
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To: cyborg

It's going to happen.


29 posted on 05/08/2005 4:09:25 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: reg45
Thousands of Slaves still in New Jersey? Isn't that a Northern State...how can that be.

It's a "Blue" (Democratic Party) state. All the slave states were "Blue". Slavery has a long tradition within the Democratic Party.

What can you expect from a state that has a gay Governor..or had a gay governor. ("not that there is anything wrong with being gay"...line from Jerry Seinfield episode)

30 posted on 05/08/2005 4:51:32 PM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: nw_arizona_granny

bump


31 posted on 05/08/2005 7:31:22 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Boston Blackie

More and more we see how our non-system of immigration hurts so many innocent people


32 posted on 05/08/2005 7:34:24 PM PDT by jocon307 (Irish grandmother rolls in grave, yet again.)
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To: Travis McGee

Interesting scenario.


33 posted on 05/08/2005 7:35:01 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: Ciexyz

It's going to happen.


34 posted on 05/08/2005 8:56:06 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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