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Newsweek apologizes for getting Koran-Guantanamo Bay story wrong. (The Editor's Desk)
Newsweek ^ | 05/15/05 | The Editor's Desk

Posted on 05/15/2005 10:31:22 AM PDT by Pikamax

May 23 issue - Did a report in NEWSWEEK set off a wave of deadly anti-American riots in Afghanistan? That's what numerous news accounts suggested last week as angry Afghans took to the streets to protest reports, linked to us, that U.S. interrogators had desecrated the Qur'an while interrogating Muslim terror suspects. We were as alarmed as anyone to hear of the violence, which left at least 15 Afghans dead and scores injured. But I think it's important for the public to know exactly what we reported, why, and how subsequent events unfolded.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
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To: Smartass

Got it bookmarked. I'd forgotten about the "rape" story.


301 posted on 05/15/2005 7:34:48 PM PDT by Valin (The glass is 1/32 full! - The incredible optimist)
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To: Smartass
""Fifteen dead, scores injured, relief buildings burned down.

Years of coalition building with the Muslim world against terrorist fanatics set back.

That's the toll to date for a brief story about a U.S. prison guard throwing a Quran down the toilet – a story Newsweek now admits it got wrong.""

From the article Smartass linked.

These words couldn't be more true or more frightening. Newsweek is responsible for more then 15 deaths and riots that ensued. The are responsible, nay, GUILTY of working against American Foreign Policy and the possibility of risking American lives. This is not an issue of a 1st Amendment Right. The 1st Amendment says nothing about being allowed to lie without fear of repercussions.

There is Hell to pay. Newsweek is the debtor.
302 posted on 05/15/2005 7:44:41 PM PDT by baystaterebel (F/8 and be there!)
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To: Former Military Chick

GRRRRRRRRRRRRR!


303 posted on 05/15/2005 7:45:42 PM PDT by StarCMC (Free tagline courtesy of JesseJane!)
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To: mommadooo3

If you anything sane to add, please share it with me, as I am beyond anger, if I were not a chick, I would spit something right into the ... well you get the idea.


304 posted on 05/15/2005 7:45:47 PM PDT by Former Military Chick
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To: Smartass

I believe in First Amendment Rights too. But that is not a right to lie. Their lies caused bloodshed and they need to be held accountable for the deaths.


305 posted on 05/15/2005 7:48:41 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Valin

You know, there's a definitive distinction between a declaration of war and an undeclared war. "Hanoi Jane" danced around this issue, and the liberals can yelp and squawk all they want. Bear in mind, since WWII, none of our conflicts have been declared by congress. Hence, walking and talking treason by Democrats is OK. It has been estimated that 9-11 was just as bad, if not worse than Pearl Harbor, yet no declaration of war! Treasonous talk by the Democrats and liberal MSM has become rampant and out of control.


306 posted on 05/15/2005 7:50:45 PM PDT by Smartass (Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: Calpernia; baystaterebel
You're both right. There's no accountability or penalty to pay for false reporting at a time of war and the cause and affects thereof. Read my last post to Valin. If congress would officially declare war against world-wide terrorists, the USDOJ would have something to grab hold of. Right now it's to loose, with everyone getting a pass for treasonous acts.
307 posted on 05/15/2005 7:57:22 PM PDT by Smartass (Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: StarCMC
Let me translate:

(*&^*T*&T (*Y(*T*V (*3@!2 OOps sorry can't cause my comment would be reported.... but I bet you can read my mind.

308 posted on 05/15/2005 7:59:20 PM PDT by Former Military Chick (an)
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To: Mo1
Sorry I missed your comments Mo1

"You know, there's a definitive distinction between a declaration of war and an undeclared war. "Hanoi Jane" danced around this issue, and the liberals can yelp and squawk all they want. Bear in mind, since WWII, none of our conflicts have been declared by congress. Hence, walking and talking treason by Democrats is OK. It has been estimated that 9-11 was just as bad, if not worse than Pearl Harbor, yet no declaration of war! Treasonous talk by the Democrats and liberal MSM has become rampant and out of control."

"You're both right. There's no accountability or penalty to pay for false reporting at a time of war and the cause and affects thereof. Read my last post to Valin. If congress would officially declare war against world-wide terrorists, the USDOJ would have something to grab hold of. Right now it's to loose, with everyone getting a pass for treasonous acts."
309 posted on 05/15/2005 8:01:43 PM PDT by Smartass (Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: Nita Nupress
... where is the good ol' conservative attitude of making rioters responsible for the riot and murderers responsible for the murder?

Or the guy who walks up to the bully and says "Your mother wears army boots." Obviously, the guy throwing the taunt is to blame for what follows.

To be sure, 'tis not wise to taunt a bully. And equally sure, Newsweek is despicable, biased, and out to bring a black eye on Western civ and the current administration. I don't have any sympathy for an idiot who taunts a bully, but I blame the bully for the beating.

The analysis is much different in this case too, because the liar is sending the bully to beat up some innocent dupe.

310 posted on 05/15/2005 8:03:03 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: tobyhill
So if someone doesn't want to comment or defend a crazy allegation it must be true?

Well, as I recall, Clinton's response to the rape allegation raised against him was a big no comment. Though his lawyer did deny that Jimmy Carter raped anyone.
311 posted on 05/15/2005 8:06:54 PM PDT by swilhelm73 (Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. --Lord Acton)
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To: Calpernia

They wanted the story to be true.


312 posted on 05/15/2005 8:07:05 PM PDT by oyez (¡Qué viva la revolución de Reagan!)
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To: Holden Magroin
Whoever wrote the Newsweek report about Korans being flushed down the toilet belongs in an orange jumpsuit while awaiting trial for high treason.

I think the facts are the pages of the Koran were put down a toilet in an effort to cause it to back up and create a "flood."

The person who tore the pages out and deposited them in the toilet was a prisoner, not a guard. The original story didn't attribute the action to anybody. Newsweek jumped to the conclusion and published that it was a guard action.

313 posted on 05/15/2005 8:09:14 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Smartass

I would hope that the DOJ is looking into this.


314 posted on 05/15/2005 8:09:35 PM PDT by Valin (The glass is 1/32 full! - The incredible optimist)
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To: Cboldt

The Koran offender was a muslim.
So let's see if they call for killing him.
Not.
He will be a hero for using the Koran to discredit the great satan.


315 posted on 05/15/2005 8:12:52 PM PDT by chuckwalla (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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To: swilhelm73
This is a case of yelling fire in a crowded theater that we are talking about here. Or perhaps a better example, if Newsweek maliciously and falsely called Joe Innocent a child molester, and someone killed Joe based on this, wouldn't Newsweek still also be to blame?

That second one is a good hypothetical. It reminds me of the Jenny Jones trial.

http://talkshows.about.com/cs/jennyjones/a/secondverdict.htm

What did Jones (personally, or the show) get in that one?

316 posted on 05/15/2005 8:13:03 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Pikamax
Did a (completely irresponsible) report in NEWSWEEK set off a wave of deadly anti-American riots in Afghanistan around the world?

Answer = YES.

Now, how are they going to answer for their crime?

317 posted on 05/15/2005 8:13:12 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Delenda est Liberalism!)
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To: Valin
As others have pointed out the damage has been done, now how do we (or more specifically newsweek) fix it.

I think a retraction and correction is in order, and certainly an apology to the American operations who are guarding the prisoners.

As for the rioters, they have some apologizing to do too. Some criminal prosecutions and convictions are in order there as well.

318 posted on 05/15/2005 8:15:19 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Valin

What's troubling, is that there are a lot of should have, hope, ought to be, but, nothing happens, but, the treason talk still continues. Yet, some small trivial incident will trigger a massive investigation.


319 posted on 05/15/2005 8:19:28 PM PDT by Smartass (Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

They did, they apologized.
It's time to move on now and get on with the business of the country and stop the politics of personal destruction.
signed, bill clinton


320 posted on 05/15/2005 8:21:03 PM PDT by chuckwalla (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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To: chuckwalla
The Koran offender was a muslim.
So let's see if they call for killing him.

The first call was "Kill the infidels for flushing the Koran"
Now the call will be "Kill the infidels for lying to us and causing this mayhem."
Wait ... I think I hear that call here. Oh, nevermind. "The infidel heads" called for here is limited to Newsweek.

321 posted on 05/15/2005 8:23:33 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: C2ShiningC

bookmark and tell Jim O'H


322 posted on 05/15/2005 8:24:34 PM PDT by Dad yer funny
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To: Pikamax

323 posted on 05/15/2005 8:25:11 PM PDT by Alouette (The truth is not hard to kill, but a lie told well is immortal. -- Mark Twain)
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To: Former Military Chick
Had one of these guys flushed the Bible down the toilet I would be pissed but I to would wait for the truth to prevail before sliming anyone.

In many Muslim countries mere possession of a Bible is a serious offense.

The terrorist prisoners at Guantanamo are allowed to worship freely in ways Christians are not allowed to worship in many Muslim countries.

The hypocrisy is astounding. I have no love or pity for Newsweek but it's hard for me to have sympathy for rampaging Muslims who treat Christian believers like vermin in their own countries.

324 posted on 05/15/2005 8:28:52 PM PDT by JCEccles (Andrea Dworkin--the Ward Churchill of gender politics.)
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To: swilhelm73

The White House, Pentagon, State Dept, etc. needs to direct all employees that they are not to ever comment to the Media verbally or Physically and if approached they must report it to their Supervisors. Anyone caught talking to the Media, except within the media relations dept, will be terminated and arrested for violation of national security in that part of this war on terrorism is public relations. The Media should be free to obtain some information and publish it but this BS anonymous sources must go. Everyone has the right to determine truth based partly on where the information comes from. I have worked for a couple government agencies and was in the military and I had to sign full nondisclosure agreements for as long as I worked for them and even after I left the military. Where's the enforcement with lying media and leaking sources? For all I know it could be the janitor?


325 posted on 05/15/2005 8:36:57 PM PDT by tobyhill (The war on terrorism is not for the weak!)
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To: tobyhill

We need action here from not only Freepers but posters to many sites . They should flood not only Newsweek with complaints but demand that Congress or the Pres at least say something about Newsweek's horrid, murderous error. I suggest that a Congressional inquiry be threatened. The MSM hates that when it is focused on them but as long as the Dems do it to Pubs, well everything is peachy. Enough is enough. Every Rightist in media should be on this story like ......Bloggers should denounce Newsweek and other MSM outlets that are forever being anti-American. I mean, hit them in the gut and ask for cancellations of the mag. and other sources that consistantly smear America, its military, and our culture!


326 posted on 05/15/2005 8:44:57 PM PDT by phillyfanatic
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To: swilhelm73
"Clinton's response to the rape allegation raised against him was a big no comment."

Actually Clinton would have been better off if he hadn't commented but instead he lied to all of America when he claimed that he,"never had sexual relations with that woman". While he tried to split words everyone knew it was a flat out denial of having sex and a few cigars later and some swimmers on a dress the proof was there.
327 posted on 05/15/2005 8:45:36 PM PDT by tobyhill (The war on terrorism is not for the weak!)
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To: swilhelm73
Cboldt [re: Jenny Jones murder trial]: What did Jones (personally, or the show) get in that one?

Nevermind. I think I found the answer.

On October 23, 2002, the Michigan Court of Appeals reversed that 1999 decision of the Oakland County jury. The Court of Appeals ruled that the show's owner, Warner Bros., and its distributor, Telepictures had no liability in the death of Scott Amedure. While the court indicated that the "Jenny Jones Show" might be "regarded as the epitome of bad taste and sensationalism," that wasn't enough to make it liable. Attorney Geoffrey Fieger indicated there would be an appeal.
http://talkshows.about.com/cs/jennyjones/a/secondverdict_2.htm
328 posted on 05/15/2005 8:47:27 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: phillyfanatic
Drudge was just on saying that Newsweek has now retracted the retraction (!!!????)
329 posted on 05/15/2005 8:49:19 PM PDT by cookcounty ("We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the Courts" ---Abe Lincoln, 1858.)
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To: Pikamax

Do you work for Newsweek?


330 posted on 05/15/2005 8:51:53 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Can you tell I've upgraded to Broadband?)
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To: phillyfanatic
I agree with you 100% but the media uses the old cop out when they get caught fabricating a story. They just say it actually came from an anonymous source then refuse to give the sources name. They won't rat the source out because then the excuse will be that they're "usually" reliable. The MSM is a walking book of excuses that think they're above even national security. Congress doesn't care so the only ones that can try to eliminate this is the public with calls to the advertisers themselves. Slim Fast got rid of Whoopi because of massive calls to their company and threats of a boycott to advertising sources.
331 posted on 05/15/2005 8:58:21 PM PDT by tobyhill (The war on terrorism is not for the weak!)
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To: Smartass

On an Official Declaration of War:

The Constitution does not define what constitutes an official declaration of war, does it? If it does, I haven't found it. We have precedent (WWI & WWII), but it doesn't exactly fit the present circumstances, does it?

Congress has (twice!) authorized hostilities against terrorist organizations and countries which harbor terrorist organizations. They haven't officially titled either a 'declaration of war', but what is it if not a war?

Lots of slippery room for both sides here. 'Spose that was an accident?


332 posted on 05/15/2005 9:05:27 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: YHAOS

I don't know why congress doesn't declare war either. By not doing so, sure lets many liberal wall banger's off the hook.


333 posted on 05/15/2005 9:10:24 PM PDT by Smartass (Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: NormsRevenge

Exactly!!!


334 posted on 05/15/2005 9:12:25 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Nyboe

"the families of the 15 dead should sue the pants off of Newsweek."

Can our government do any suing as well. Newsweek has certainly damaged our reputation and did considerable harm to our interests.


335 posted on 05/15/2005 9:28:52 PM PDT by SolomoninSouthDakota (Daschle is gone.)
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To: Mathemagician
As soon as you put the story out, true or false, I'm a dead man. At that point, dead is dead.

But your example illustrates the real issue -- Newsweek should not have printed the story, even if it were true. People were going to die because of the story, not the facts.

336 posted on 05/15/2005 9:32:32 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Pikamax

Newsweak lied. Afghans died.


337 posted on 05/15/2005 9:42:15 PM PDT by CDB
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To: Smartass

Thanks for the ping!


338 posted on 05/15/2005 9:44:02 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Cboldt

I think the facts are the pages of the Koran were put down a toilet in an effort to cause it to back up and create a "flood."

The person who tore the pages out and deposited them in the toilet was a prisoner, not a guard. The original story didn't attribute the action to anybody. Newsweek jumped to the conclusion and published that it was a guard action




A few days ago...I heard someone on a talk radio show (maybe Tony Snow???) report that the detainees did it to clog the plumbing as a form of protest.

Where did you hear those details?


339 posted on 05/15/2005 9:44:35 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (Tell Senators to stop judicial filibuster....using FREE number: 1-877-762-8762)
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To: Southack
"Yet you are trying to equate the two, as if telling the truth or a lie makes no difference if the outcome is the same."

Makes no difference? Let's just say that it's irrelevant in this case.

The story killed those innocents, not the lie. If the story were true, they'd be just as dead.

The tragedy isn't the lie (though the lie compounds it). The tragedy is that the story (or non-story) was even published. That was irresponsible on Newsweek's part.

340 posted on 05/15/2005 9:59:51 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: AFPhys

I can't imagine a quicker way to get them to clean up their act than wartime censorship and a few arrests for treason.

#1 on the list: Bill Moyers and his buddies at PBS and NPR. #2: All involved in taking away effective tools and techniques from our interrogators at Abu Ghraib, Gitmo and Afghanistan.


341 posted on 05/15/2005 10:45:38 PM PDT by MaryInSacto
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To: Smartass
"You know, there's a definitive distinction between a declaration of war and an undeclared war.

Yes, I know

But if I recall correctly .. at the time, many in Congress did not want to go on record for declaring war .. and many did not want to give Bush the Powers of going to war

342 posted on 05/15/2005 11:09:28 PM PDT by Mo1 (Hey GOP ---- Not one Dime till Republicans grow a Spine !!)
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To: JulieRNR21

Newsweek should be hauled into court for this stunt. Their stupidity and bias has caused loss of human life. Treasonous action


343 posted on 05/15/2005 11:48:35 PM PDT by Cinnamon
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To: robertpaulsen
People were going to die because of the story, not the facts.

This is very true. However, there's a difference between yelling "Fire" in the ol'crowded theater when there actually is a fire, and when there is none. The first could be justified as a sincere attempt to save lives, even if more lives were ultimately lost because of a stampede; the second is clearly just malicious.

That said, I can't imagine any compelling interest for Newsweek to publish the story even if it had been true, since they must have been aware of the consequences of such a story. However, the fact that it was not true, they published it on the vaguest of rumors and that anybody who worked around Gitmo would have known that those rumors could probably be traced back to Islamist propaganda in the first place, makes it at least gross negligence, I would think. But I don't know whether there is actually any way of prosecuting them or suing them; I suspect not.

Still, I think Isikoff should have to go to Afghanistan and apologize, both to the Afghanis and to our military, and Newsweek should have to pay some sort of compensation to the families of the people who were killed. It might make our "news" sources think twice about doing something like this again in the future.

Mass communications are too effective nowadays to let media sources sit around and casually launch rumors as if they were tossing paper airplanes. Something can now go from the desk of a Bush-hater in NY or DC to primitive rioters in the streets of Afghanistan in a matter of hours.

344 posted on 05/16/2005 3:29:09 AM PDT by livius
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To: Pride in the USA; Stillwaters
A good summary and analysis at this link:

WorldNet Daily

345 posted on 05/16/2005 4:02:42 AM PDT by lonevoice (Vast Right Wing Pajama Party)
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To: JCEccles

In many Muslim countries mere possession of a Bible is a serious offense.

Actually I beleive that only true in Saudi Arabia


346 posted on 05/16/2005 4:09:58 AM PDT by Valin (The glass is 1/32 full! - The incredible optimist)
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To: livius

Reply 265
"As others have pointed out the damage has been done, now how do we (or more specifically newsweek) fix it.
Write and have printed (at newsweek cost) a retaction and have it placed in EVERY paper in the Islamic world. That might be a place to start."


347 posted on 05/16/2005 4:15:20 AM PDT by Valin (The glass is 1/32 full! - The incredible optimist)
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To: Pikamax; Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; RandallFlagg; ...

C-span's WJ is about to take calls on this..............


348 posted on 05/16/2005 4:24:24 AM PDT by OXENinFLA ("And that [Atomic] bomb is a filibuster" ~~~ Sen. Lieberman 1-4-95)
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To: Pikamax; All

Interesting how this story breaks in the same month people are re-opening the Emmett Till case. Didn't he die because an unsubstantiated, sensationalistic report inflamed local passions? What is the prevailing public opinion of the people who spread THAT story? Should our opinion of Newsweek be any different?

Is there any record of Fox News EVER having done anything like this?

No, I didn't think so.


349 posted on 05/16/2005 4:25:44 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: Valin
I can't find ANY reference to this on Al-Jazeera.


I'm shocked!! /sarc
350 posted on 05/16/2005 4:29:32 AM PDT by OXENinFLA ("And that [Atomic] bomb is a filibuster" ~~~ Sen. Lieberman 1-4-95)
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