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Will Graduation Dream Come True? (School won't let Marine graduate in uniform)
LA Times ^ | 5-19-2005 | Tony Perry

Posted on 05/19/2005 7:52:10 AM PDT by Cagey

SAN DIEGO — Steven Kiernan, 17, has two dreams: One is to become a Marine, and the other is to wear his Marine dress-blue uniform to his high school graduation.

Kiernan is close to achieving the first. He has finished all but the final days of the grueling 12-week boot camp in San Diego.

But his goal of wearing his uniform to Petaluma High School's graduation on June 11 appears thwarted.

The principal of the Northern California school notified Kiernan's parents that school rules require that all graduates wear the traditional cap and gown.

Jim Kiernan, Steven's father, plans to appeal the decision to the Petaluma school board at its meeting Tuesday.

"The Marine Corps has traditions, but I guess the school district has traditions too, and the different traditions have collided," he said in a telephone interview.

Jim Kiernan, who works for a vineyard management company, said he was not so much angered by the decision as he was puzzled. Other graduates, he said, will be honored for their achievements, by wearing adornments on their caps or having their names read aloud.

"Finishing boot camp is my son's achievement, and I think he deserves to be honored too," Jim Kiernan said. He's a member of another school board in Sonoma County and says he knows that school boards can overrule principals.

In similar cases this spring involving young Marines returning to their high school graduations in Illinois and Wisconsin, school officials lifted the no-uniforms rule.

Steven finished his course work early at Petaluma High so he could start boot camp. His parents, somewhat reluctantly, signed his enlistment papers.

Principal Mike Simpson said he sympathized with Steven and respects his decision to enlist. Simpson's father was a Marine who saw combat in World War II.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: dresscode; graduation; marine

1 posted on 05/19/2005 7:52:10 AM PDT by Cagey
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To: Cagey

I have to agree with the school. The young man should know that above you have to be a team player. Since everyone else is wearing a cap and gown he should too.


2 posted on 05/19/2005 7:54:36 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Cagey

SChools are a joke. They should allow our military special privileges. after all, don't the "gays" get special privileges, i don't see the gays helping our country if you know what i mean. /sarc


3 posted on 05/19/2005 7:54:41 AM PDT by 1FASTGLOCK45 (FreeRepublic: More fun than watching Dem'Rats drown like Turkeys in the rain! ! !)
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To: Cagey

Just wear the uniform under the gown, and carry your top soldier. God Bless you.


4 posted on 05/19/2005 7:54:56 AM PDT by raivyn (http://www.petakillsanimals.com/)
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To: Borges

[[Since everyone else is wearing a cap and gown he should too.]]

I'll bet that if he was a Wiccan transvestite that wanted to wear a dress and "Kiss makeup" that they would have no problem with it.


5 posted on 05/19/2005 7:57:36 AM PDT by JarheadFromFlorida
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To: JarheadFromFlorida
If that were the case I would be on his side all the way. He should do research to that end.
6 posted on 05/19/2005 8:00:07 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

I agree. Let him wear the uniform under the cap-gown...then take it off when the ceremonies over.


7 posted on 05/19/2005 8:02:29 AM PDT by Pillows
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To: 1FASTGLOCK45

"don't the "gays" get special privileges"


No, they have to wear a cap & gown too.


8 posted on 05/19/2005 8:10:49 AM PDT by Blzbba (Let them hate us as long as they fear us - Caligula)
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To: Borges

"I have to agree with the school. The young man should know that above you have to be a team player."

Obviously he did not learn anything in boot camp. Obviously some posters don't think rules apply to people they support.

This guy is supposed to be a Marine. Marines follow the rules, not ask for special favors.


9 posted on 05/19/2005 8:11:21 AM PDT by L98Fiero
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To: Borges

i also agree with the school. i was commissioned as a 2LT in the army the morning of my graduation (1974) from college, wore my gown over my uniform for my college graduation and took the gown off after the ceremony.


10 posted on 05/19/2005 8:13:08 AM PDT by bravo whiskey (everybody's shot. drive the truck)
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To: Cagey

One thing to consider here is that since he hasn't finished boot camp, he is not actually a Marine, yet.


11 posted on 05/19/2005 8:16:48 AM PDT by sparkomatic (This happens every time one of these floozies starts poontangin' around with those show folk fags!)
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To: L98Fiero

It's too bad there isn't some way of recognizing his (imminent) military service with some sort of tassle or other design as part of the hat and/or robe, the way (in college anyway) they do it for graduating with honors or to show the department/college your major was in or etc etc. Maybe some sort of rope or shoulder-piece...

(sorry for the rambling nature of this post)


12 posted on 05/19/2005 8:17:21 AM PDT by ClashOnBroadway
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To: raivyn
"Just wear the uniform under the gown, and carry your top soldier. God Bless you."

I agree! As much as I love our military, he outta just wear it under is gown and when he get to the top to receive his diploma take off the gown and show the audience how proud you are of your blues! Hehehhehhe, they can't do anything at that point, so go on and do it!!
14 posted on 05/19/2005 8:27:28 AM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: ClashOnBroadway

Maybe his haircut will do the trick. ;)

I remeber when I graduated boot camp, I felt so proud and wanted everyone to know, probably how this guy feels. However, we were taught that conformity was necessary as was being an integral part of a group or team. I don't believe being a Marine has anything to do with the uniform and everything to do with character.


15 posted on 05/19/2005 8:28:15 AM PDT by L98Fiero
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To: RoseofTexas

I completely agree with you! The administration wouldn't DARE say anything to him once the ceremony had began.

Bless this young man!


16 posted on 05/19/2005 8:33:41 AM PDT by EHC Southern Pride (Where ever you go, go with all your heart.)
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To: Cagey

Here's what I would do.

Wear the dress blues under the cap and gown and carry my Marine Corps cover.
Once I received the diploma, take off the cap and put on my Marine Corps cover and pull off the gown!

VOILA!

From the Halls of Montezumaaaaa...to the shores of Tripoli!!!

Semper Fi,
Kelly


17 posted on 05/19/2005 8:39:51 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: baseballusc
How is he in HIGH SCHOOL and, GOING THROUGH BOOTCAMP?

Just what I was thinking.

18 posted on 05/19/2005 8:42:01 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Harmful Or Fatal If Swallowed)
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To: baseballusc

No. The kids can go through basic, or boot, or whatever during the summer between thier junior and senior years. Then they go back and finish their training after they graduate. There is a requirement to graduate HS. If not then the enlistment is null & void.
In this kids case, he hasn't even finished his boot camp. In the words of R Lee Ermey, "he's still a maggot." He doesn't deserve the right to be called a marine until he finishes his training.


19 posted on 05/19/2005 8:42:02 AM PDT by sparkomatic (This happens every time one of these floozies starts poontangin' around with those show folk fags!)
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To: RoseofTexas

LOL (i was actually thinking of that same stunt...)


20 posted on 05/19/2005 8:43:35 AM PDT by raivyn (http://www.petakillsanimals.com/)
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To: Pillows

"I agree. Let him wear the uniform under the cap-gown...then take it off when the ceremonies over."

Unfortunatly that is not an option. The uniform must be worn as issued. Nothing can be added. He cannot wear it under his gown. Flame away if you want, but Marines wear our uniform with the pride and respect it deserves.

Semper Fi


21 posted on 05/19/2005 8:53:05 AM PDT by sean327 (All men are created equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: raivyn

This young man is not like everyone else. He has made a commitment to his country to defend it with his life. He should be honored by all his classmates and the administration. He should be allowed to wear his uniform.
In fact, we should have federal legislation (while we control all three branches of government) that says military uniforms are legally acceptable attire in every situation in which the military person chooses to wear them.
Similar to "This note is legal tender for all debts ..."


22 posted on 05/19/2005 8:57:28 AM PDT by jjmcgo
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To: sean327

oops!
Well I stand corrected. LOL
I thought he might be able to wear the cap and gown over his uniform during the commencement and then take it off.


Well I guess he'll just have to take his uniform with him and put it on after the graduation.

Semper Fi,
Kelly


23 posted on 05/19/2005 8:59:01 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: baseballusc

'Might be fake story.'

Have another drink.


24 posted on 05/19/2005 9:04:49 AM PDT by xone
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To: sean327
"Unfortunatly that is not an option. The uniform must be worn as issued. Nothing can be added. He cannot wear it under his gown."

Sorry, I didn't realize.

In that case, he should be allowed to walk in his uniform.

25 posted on 05/19/2005 9:04:52 AM PDT by raivyn (http://www.petakillsanimals.com/)
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To: L98Fiero

Wow. You sure know alot about Marines.


26 posted on 05/19/2005 9:06:03 AM PDT by eatdust
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To: jjmcgo
No, this young man is not like anyone else, and I never presumed to say he was. He should be honored by each and every American on this planet. We need a billion more like him.

That said, I'm not for federal legislation on much of anything!

27 posted on 05/19/2005 9:08:08 AM PDT by raivyn (http://www.petakillsanimals.com/)
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To: sean327

"Unfortunatly that is not an option. The uniform must be worn as issued. Nothing can be added. He cannot wear it under his gown. Flame away if you want, but Marines wear our uniform with the pride and respect it deserves.

Semper FiOh"

I don't know that either...bummer, but respectful! :)


28 posted on 05/19/2005 9:08:45 AM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: baseballusc

Some sort of new allowance in a DEP, possible with parental consent...?


30 posted on 05/19/2005 9:11:14 AM PDT by raivyn (http://www.petakillsanimals.com/)
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To: Nightshift

ping


31 posted on 05/19/2005 9:11:29 AM PDT by tutstar ( <{{--->< Impeach Judge Greer http://www.petitiononline.com/ijg520/petition.html)
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To: xone
Have another drink.

Hahahaha! Perfect response.

32 posted on 05/19/2005 9:16:31 AM PDT by Cagey (These pretzels are making me thirsty.)
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To: kellynla
and carry my Marine Corps cover.

I'm glad you referred to it being a cover as someone earlier had called it a "top".

33 posted on 05/19/2005 9:18:14 AM PDT by Cagey (These pretzels are making me thirsty.)
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To: Cagey

If the school did not enforce this, then the dress policy would go out of control as students dressed up as freaks.


34 posted on 05/19/2005 9:21:04 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: Borges
I agree as well. He was in High School long before he was a Marine.

As heart swelling as the sight of his Enlisted Dress Blue uniform would be, he must know the reason for a uniform and as such should wear the cap and gown proudly.

36 posted on 05/19/2005 9:26:23 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (If you only knew the powerrrrr of the Tagline.)
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To: raivyn
"Just wear the uniform under the gown..."

I'm not sure, but I believe that may not be allowable under Marine regulations regarding the wearing of the uniform. Can any Freeper Marine confirm?

37 posted on 05/19/2005 9:30:21 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (If you only knew the powerrrrr of the Tagline.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
"I'm not sure, but I believe that may not be allowable under Marine regulations regarding the wearing of the uniform. Can any Freeper Marine confirm?"

Already been confirmed by sean327 (post 21).

38 posted on 05/19/2005 9:33:16 AM PDT by raivyn (http://www.petakillsanimals.com/)
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To: baseballusc

Thanks for the updated info!


39 posted on 05/19/2005 9:33:55 AM PDT by raivyn (http://www.petakillsanimals.com/)
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To: baseballusc

This is not a bogus story. If a recruit has completed all course requirements, as verified by the school, he or she may report to Recruit Training. I know a number of Marines that have done this, or as recruiters have put a kid through the pipeline.


40 posted on 05/19/2005 9:36:16 AM PDT by sean327 (All men are created equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: sean327
Flame away if you want, but Marines wear our uniform with the pride and respect it deserves.

I'm not going to flame.....I didn't know the rules on wearing the uniform and I don't really have a problem myself...with him wearing it at graduation. It's hard to believe that this issue has not come up before with other schools.

41 posted on 05/19/2005 9:38:21 AM PDT by Pillows
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To: sean327
"This is not a bogus story. If a recruit has completed all course requirements, as verified by the school, he or she may report to Recruit Training."

I suspected this was possible, as some kids fulfill graduation requirements the first semester of Senior year. Thanks for confirming!

42 posted on 05/19/2005 9:38:46 AM PDT by raivyn (http://www.petakillsanimals.com/)
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To: baseballusc

"Steven finished his course work early at Petaluma High so he could start boot camp."

Lots of people that I know finished high school in the first semester of their last year by taking extra classes during the summer or (in my case) being promoted on to college instead of finishing the last year of high school. Since graduations typically happen only once/year for any given school, you've technically graduated, but have to wait to walk.

Sounds like he finished his schooling in December and promptly signed up (with his parents consent, since he is under 18).


43 posted on 05/19/2005 9:39:58 AM PDT by cyphergirl
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To: raivyn

Thx.


44 posted on 05/19/2005 9:46:14 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (If you only knew the powerrrrr of the Tagline.)
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To: baseballusc
According to the article he finished his course work early to go to boot camp. I take that as he completed high school, all he has left is the Graduation ceremony. Does he really need to attend that to fully complete High School? I don't know but I think not.
45 posted on 05/19/2005 9:46:46 AM PDT by BBell
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To: 1FASTGLOCK45

If he were a muslim asking to wear a burqua then that would be alright. I would also wager the principal would probably kiss the muzlimb's ass on prime time T.V.at the graduation. The liberals/commies/muzlums all hate American Patriots. NSNR


47 posted on 05/19/2005 11:02:13 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: Borges

And .. what's to stop him from wearing his uniform UNDER the gown ..?? As soon as graduation is over - he can remove the gown and VOILA! he's in uniform.

I don't see the issue .. really. I applaud the young man's choice of the Marines, but this is a high school graduation - not a Marines graduation.


48 posted on 05/19/2005 12:44:03 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: CyberAnt

see Post 21.


49 posted on 05/19/2005 1:00:06 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

But .. the robe isn't an addition to the uniform .. is it ..?? just because it's worn over the uniform ..?? Hmmmm?? Interesting.


50 posted on 05/19/2005 1:19:31 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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