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Europe and Islam and America

Posted on 05/21/2005 1:28:48 PM PDT by S0122017

Are america aware of the situation in europe?

Islam really got its fangs between our vertebraes here.

Im from holland, and its getting almost cartoonish stupid. Politics has reached the lowest viable intelligence level, and most people that used to have a political decision seem to have decided that it is best to pretend nothings going on.

Politicians proposed throwing out second day of Pinkster, (also english word for it?), a Christian holiday, as a national holiday, and want to have the islamic Sugarfestival instead.

They got resistance from christians here but increasingly larger population make-up of islamics are making increasingly more fuss about getting more accomodations especially for them!

Chinese people have been here for decades and never demanded anything, neither have Jews or Hindus.

Taking into account that islamic youth causing way more problems than any other ethnicity, that is truly disgusting.

The rest of europe is also insane, I was in Swiss and saw a made in korea lighter in a shop, shaped like the twin towers and a head of a smiling osama bin laden. If you press the head down the towers 'break' down and 2 flames appear.

Absolutely no critic or whatsoever, and it was in the shop 3 months after the 9/11 incident.. some business man must have been really quick to respond.


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1 posted on 05/21/2005 1:28:48 PM PDT by S0122017
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To: S0122017

Welcome to FR.


2 posted on 05/21/2005 1:31:18 PM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: S0122017

Thanks for the european perspective.


3 posted on 05/21/2005 1:31:34 PM PDT by andyandval (Try flushing a book down the toilet....get back to me on how you did)
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To: S0122017; MeekOneGOP

ummmm......wow.....


4 posted on 05/21/2005 1:31:34 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (blah....)
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To: S0122017

5 posted on 05/21/2005 1:32:46 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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Is that you again Ahmed?


6 posted on 05/21/2005 1:33:11 PM PDT by Cornpone
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To: S0122017
We know what's going on in Europe with the muslims and we are writing Europe off as lost to islam. Your politicians are famous for appeasing your enemies.

By the time the majority of Europeans realize that they have become dhimmies...it will be too late.

Sorry.

7 posted on 05/21/2005 1:35:28 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: S0122017

The Islamization of French Schools - A disturbing report is leaked - (is Europe finished already?) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1401971/posts


8 posted on 05/21/2005 1:35:45 PM PDT by monkeywrench (http://ciudadano.presidencia.gob.mx/peticion/peticion.htm -Tell Vicente)
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To: S0122017
second day of Pinkster, (also english word for it?)

We use the same word here (Seven weeks after Easter).

9 posted on 05/21/2005 1:37:28 PM PDT by andyandval (Try flushing a book down the toilet....get back to me on how you did)
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To: S0122017
I am from Italy and the situation is really hard to face.

Muslim have transformed Europe in Eurabia. And even if I don't care the EU that is, in fact, only a stupid anti-american group of states that forgot the WWII and today do their best to protect terrorists, I'm really afraid for my Country.

I do love Italy. And I can't support to see her devastated by other people.
10 posted on 05/21/2005 1:37:51 PM PDT by an italian (without Victory there is no Survival...)
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To: andyandval

pentecost


11 posted on 05/21/2005 1:39:21 PM PDT by americanbychoice2
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To: an italian

America is the most hated country in the world. Why do you suppose that is? Your answer will be interesting.


12 posted on 05/21/2005 1:42:17 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: americanbychoice2
From About.com

Dutch settlers originally brought Pinkster celebrations to America in the seventeenth century. For the Dutch, it was a celebration of the change of the seasons and the springtime renewal of life. The celebration corresponded with the Episcopal Whitsunday. While the holiday had Dutch origins, by the nineteenth century, in Albany, it was primarily a black holiday. Thus, as celebrated by slaves, the holiday became a combination of its Dutch roots and the African culture of slaves.

13 posted on 05/21/2005 1:45:35 PM PDT by andyandval (Try flushing a book down the toilet....get back to me on how you did)
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To: S0122017
The Islamic vision is spreading to the detriment of the world. They reproduce like rabbits. Their average age is very young. If their imams don't get what they want, they send their legions of trained teenage psychopaths out into the streets to throw bricks, roll over cars, set things on fire, and lynch a "collaborator" or two.

Civilized nations find themselves in a tough position because we teach religious tolerance and have civil rights laws. The world screams "hypocrisy" if we don't allow ourselves to be overrun by them. By the time the politicians see what's going on, there's already too many of them in too many key positions in government and society.

So far, the muslims are winning the war of attrition. Their birth rates are ever-increasing while everybody else's are slowing down. Here in America, the muslims and the Catholic Mexicans are going to have a nasty turf war over America if we don't start turning things around soon. If the muslims are restricted in any way, they cry religious discrimination. I say that islam is not a legitimate religion, it is a psycho death-cult. Jim Jones and Adolph Hitler proved that sheer numbers do not make your cause legitimate. /rant off

14 posted on 05/21/2005 1:47:33 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Proud infide since 1970.)
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To: S0122017

Hey don't worry the French and Germans will come to your rescue !!!! /sarc.

Why do you think America is fighting the scumbags, Americans have a constitutional right to own guns to protect ourselves from a bad government or other threats.

Such as the devil worship that is know as islam. The islamists think since they can subdue europe they can do the same in the USA. They are wrong American citizens own more guns and weapons than all of Europes armies combined, the islamic nazi's wanted a fight and they got one, now their big heros hide out in burqua's in hope's they won't get caught.

islamists are quite tough when they can blowup women and children, but put them against Marines and they would rather wear a dress.............


15 posted on 05/21/2005 1:47:51 PM PDT by federal
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To: S0122017

"... decided that it is best to pretend nothings going on."


Hmmmm?? America did that for years .. and it was worse during the Clinton administration because they not only pretended it wasn't happening .. they covered it up when it did happen; First attack on the World Trade Center 1993; Oklahoma City 1995; TWA 800; and the naval vessel with a hole blown in it's hull.

There's a great new book I'm reading: "They Just Don't Get It", by Col Hunt, U.S. Army (Ret). EVERYBODY SHOULD READ THIS BOOK.


16 posted on 05/21/2005 1:48:03 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: pbrown

The islamo-fascists are having Europe for dinner and they don't even know it. Once the Euros become entrenched enough is islam, they'll call on America to save them once again. And once again, they'll cry and call us arrogant when we want some payback for saving their continent again.


17 posted on 05/21/2005 1:49:47 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Proud infide since 1970.)
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To: andyandval

I thought it had something to do with the German holiday called Pfingsten? (Pentecost)


18 posted on 05/21/2005 1:51:17 PM PDT by americanbychoice2
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To: americanbychoice2

Muslims call Judism a virus....actually Islam more closley resembles AIDs than judism. Building itself up and there influence until there numbers are suffiecient for a full stage takeover.


19 posted on 05/21/2005 1:59:27 PM PDT by Xenophon450
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I didn't really know anything about it. Other than they have a "Pinksterfest" every year up here in Albany, NY.

Never thought to research it.

20 posted on 05/21/2005 1:59:31 PM PDT by andyandval (Try flushing a book down the toilet....get back to me on how you did)
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To: S0122017

> Politicians proposed throwing out second day of Pinkster, (also english word for it?)

Pentecost?

Most people just want to be left alone. Maybe the NL is waking up. Good luck.


21 posted on 05/21/2005 2:01:11 PM PDT by cloud8 (Proud Navy Dad)
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To: S0122017

What are you going to do about it?


22 posted on 05/21/2005 2:06:25 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
And once again, they'll cry and call us arrogant when we want some payback for saving their continent again.

We don't look at Europe the way we did in the 30's and 40's. They are socialist and islamist now. No American should die fighting for them again. They wanted islam...they got islam. Now they only have to learn how to live as dhimmies. And from where I sit, they won't need much training.

23 posted on 05/21/2005 2:08:15 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: S0122017
Islam really got its fangs between our vertebraes here

Nice word picture!

What do you and your countrymen propose to do about it?

24 posted on 05/21/2005 2:14:38 PM PDT by Gritty ("Insofar as Europe has a future, itís likely to be an Islamic one"-Mark Steyn)
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To: pbrown

Envy.

People always hate what they don't have. Or just what they would like to be but they are not.

Just envy.


25 posted on 05/21/2005 2:16:34 PM PDT by an italian (without Victory there is no Survival...)
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Yet they work to destroy the very thing that gave them their freedom. American's fighting and dying in two wars in Europe will have been for nothing when islam takes over.

Islam is slavery. America is freedom. Europe has not chosen wisely.

Europeans laughing and celebrating Americans soldiers deaths in Iraq have turned me against ever wanting to help them again.

26 posted on 05/21/2005 2:24:58 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown
"...have turned me against ever wanting to help them again"

The islamists and the leftwing in europe are counting on that. They've been dividing us for quite awhile. Just like here in the USA. If we don't help them, we'll be overwhelmed shortly thereafter. I don't want the islamofascists to win anywhere in anyway. Not even in pathetic france. Freedom and truth will overcome this evil.

27 posted on 05/21/2005 2:32:17 PM PDT by monkeywrench (http://ciudadano.presidencia.gob.mx/peticion/peticion.htm -Tell Vicente)
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To: pbrown

you don't have to think we are all the same.

we have still people who support you and who chose freedom.

i'm one of them.


28 posted on 05/21/2005 2:37:34 PM PDT by an italian (without Victory there is no Survival...)
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To: monkeywrench
Europe made that choice. Not us. Let them fight their own battles. They always start wars and can't finish them. Then we have to send our young ones to die for their decisions.

Let Europe arm their peoples then they will have a fighting chance.

Every single one of our dead and wounded soldiers in Iraq I lay at the feet of our ALLIES. They could have helped us put forth a united front against Saddam, but they loved the mighty dollar and OFF showed why they were against us. They were accepting blood money from Saddam. Money soaked in our soldiers blood.

Europe will embrace shira law...let europe live with shira law.

29 posted on 05/21/2005 2:40:17 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown
These islamists hate Americans not because of what we did (like these islamists always claim), but because of what we are. We represent liberty. Liberty is the very opposite of Islam. Yes, I am a proud American (and a proud Aussie), and I'm sure that the USA and Australia will be there when the Europeans need us. Politics aside, European must realize that the islamification of Europe is inevitable unless drastic measures are in place. ( tell that to European polititians )
30 posted on 05/21/2005 2:42:40 PM PDT by Random Nonsense
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To: an italian
you don't have to think we are all the same.

Not all, but most.

we have still people who support you and who chose freedom.

Then what are you doing to preserve your freedom?

i'm one of them.

God bless you.

31 posted on 05/21/2005 2:43:01 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: S0122017
Are america aware of the situation in europe?

As you can see, the slow implosion of Europe is something of an obsession at this site. I don't think that the average American in particularly aware of the terrible trends outside of sensing that Europe seems unwilling to defend itself or its traditional culture.

The general view here is that Europe is well on the way towards a demographic implosion that has opened up your doors to an Islamic invasion. Your horrifically low birth rates along with your rapidly aging population has forced you to import workers from Islamic countries in order to support you and your economies. However, these "guest workers" intend to rule you harshly and convert your lands into part of greater Islam.

From our perspective, Europeans lack the courage to face this threat much less deal with it. Instead Europeans seem to enjoy directing their anger towards America. This is easy and self-gratifying to do because America will not respond in any meaningful way. On the other hand, we may also be unwilling to bail Europe out of the deep mess they are plunging themselves into.

32 posted on 05/21/2005 2:45:34 PM PDT by Jeff F
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To: Random Nonsense
I'm sure that the USA and Australia will be there when the Europeans need us.

We will. But I can still rant and get the anger off my chest because europe will drag us into another war.

Their stupidity keeps getting them into wars. And we have to keep dying because of it. When we needed help what did they do? They stabbed us in the back and spit on us. They added insult to injury.

They count on America and her TRUE allies to pull their bacon from the fire again. Their bad decisions have no consequences for them...but they do for us.

33 posted on 05/21/2005 2:49:41 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown
The good guys always stop the bad guys. :)

It's the way God set things up. We can't shrug at evil. Vent now, yes. But, remember when push comes to shove, we'll be there.

Our soldiers know why they're doing what they do. So that evil doesn't overcome the good.

34 posted on 05/21/2005 2:53:10 PM PDT by monkeywrench (http://ciudadano.presidencia.gob.mx/peticion/peticion.htm -Tell Vicente)
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To: federal

When the Islamofacist have control of Europe they will have a standing army


35 posted on 05/21/2005 2:53:33 PM PDT by txroadhawg (Don't believe any statistics unless you made them up yourself)
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To: pbrown
I only hope that some American leaders recognize that there is a big problem with the Europeans and it is that Europe does have Atomic Weapons as well as modern armaments....we should be thinking preeminently on how to keep these out of Islamist hands.
Europe is lost...they have become a waste of time and energy. We are alone and will have limited resources & Allies to fight this War. No time to worry about the Left, they are enemies also! Give them no Quarter.
36 posted on 05/21/2005 2:55:14 PM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero.)
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To: monkeywrench
The good guys always stop the bad guys. :)

I know you're right. It galls me how they thumb their arrogant noses at us. And then count on us to help them.

Our soldiers have to die for their unmitigated elitism. Strange how they love us when they have a knife to their throats.

I'm glad I'm not president. I would hesitate for quiet sometime before helping them. Part of me says they made their beds, now they can sleep in it. The other part says, if they take over Europe there's one more country left to seal the deal on the islamination of the world.

Stupid stupid Europe.

37 posted on 05/21/2005 3:10:30 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown

I know exactly how you feel! :)


38 posted on 05/21/2005 3:12:52 PM PDT by monkeywrench (http://ciudadano.presidencia.gob.mx/peticion/peticion.htm -Tell Vicente)
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To: iopscusa
.we should be thinking preeminently on how to keep these out of Islamist hands.

That's the $64,000question. How?

As I see it, a majority of Europeans wouldn't mind at all if we were destroyed. They are the enablers to their own destruction. They would back the islamofacist in their quest. They are too self-absorbed to realize that if we go...they will be the next to go. Their hatred for the US has blinded them to anything that is close to rational thinking.

The left are in bed with the islamofacist here as well. We'll take care of them I'm sure if push comes to shove.

39 posted on 05/21/2005 3:23:51 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: monkeywrench
I know exactly how you feel! :)

I'm glad I'm not alone.

40 posted on 05/21/2005 3:26:12 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: an italian

Hey, great home page! I'm glad you're part of FR. May God bless you, and may God bless Italy.


41 posted on 05/21/2005 3:27:04 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: iopscusa

"I only hope that some American leaders recognize that there is a big problem with the Europeans"

House Subcommittee on Europe and Emerging Threats
Hearing: Islamic Extremism in Europe
April 27, 2005
http://wwwc.house.gov/international_relations/euhear.htm


42 posted on 05/21/2005 4:04:09 PM PDT by thierrya
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You're right, Europeans, first and foremost, need to get rid off the feeling of envy, jealousiness, the anti-americanism toward the US. Those are not good attitudes to a country that I'm sure will come and fight for them. As I mentioned on another thread somewhere, we couldn't really reason with these islamist fascism and terrorists (should I say moslems in general since they keep their silence, meaning they condone it ?), even when you try to explain things, these islamists will stab you in the back. "Unconditional surrender" means notheing to them, hence total destruction is necessary.
43 posted on 05/21/2005 4:10:13 PM PDT by Random Nonsense
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To: Random Nonsense
"Unconditional surrender" means notheing to them, hence total destruction is necessary.

That is what they have planned for us.

God help us all, you are right. I'm afraid it WILL be a battle between religions before it is through. There is a verbal battle going on between religions now. How long before a physical battle is upon us.

What have I left for my children and grandchildren? What kind of world will they inherit? One ruled by freedom or one ruled by subjugation?

44 posted on 05/21/2005 4:39:57 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: an italian

"I'm really afraid for my Country."

So am I. That's why I will visit Italy one more time this October before all the beautiful churches will be replaced by ugly mosques.

We here in America will not be far behind unless our political "leaders" wake up to the national disaster that is taking shape. Sadly to say that our "leaders" are paid well for their disservive to our county.


45 posted on 05/21/2005 4:41:06 PM PDT by auburntiger
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

"Once the Euros become entrenched enough in islam, they'll call on America to save them once again."

What are we going to do? Send our islamic forces?


46 posted on 05/21/2005 4:44:21 PM PDT by auburntiger
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To: pbrown

"Europe made that choice. Not us. Let them fight their own battles."

NOT US??? Wake up! What is happening in Europe is taking place right here. We are only some 10 years out of phase in history.


47 posted on 05/21/2005 4:51:04 PM PDT by auburntiger
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NOT US??? Wake up! What is happening in Europe is taking place right here. We are only some 10 years out of phase in history.

We have the will to fight back. Europe is rolling over. I have more faith in this country. Islam will not rule us. There will be a day when I'm sure that Americans will fight Americans. It will be American Christians against American Muslims.

The people of europe are unarmed...we are not.

48 posted on 05/21/2005 4:56:50 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: auburntiger
As an after thought: We see what is happening to Europe, we are seeing first hand what will happen to a land where islam is dominating.

We will not become europe. They are our example of what not to do.

49 posted on 05/21/2005 4:59:23 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown

"There will be a day when I'm sure that Americans will fight Americans. It will be American Christians against American Muslims."

That day does not need to come if our government has the insight in our present predicament and start doing something about it right now.


50 posted on 05/21/2005 5:18:41 PM PDT by auburntiger
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