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Europe Closing Shop? (the death of a civilization)
Investors.com ^ | 05/23/2005 | Investors.com

Posted on 05/21/2005 3:24:28 PM PDT by thierrya

Europe Closing Shop? Demographics: The population of Europe is set to start shrinking soon. And if recent events there are any indication, that's not a good thing. We may be watching the slow-motion death of a civilization. The events to which we refer have garnered little notice. Yet each, in its own way, is equally telling about the radical changes in store for Europe — and America as well. On Friday, it was announced in Germany's Hesse state that all schools will soon offer instruction in Islam to Muslim students. Meanwhile, the U.S.-based Weekly Standard reports that a recent confidential government study found a surprising rise in religious expression among Muslims in French public schools. (snip) Europe is changing. The birthrate, now at 1.5 live births per female, is well below the 2.1 required just to replace its population. Birthrates of immigrant Muslim populations there are three times the average. Upshot: By 2020 or so, the European population will fall by more than 4% while the Muslim population will double. (snip) And in France, there are more practicing Muslims than baptized Catholics. This means the U.S. will increasingly be isolated in world affairs. For example, will a Europe of, say, 50 million Muslims be more hostile to the U.S.' pro-Israel policy? Seems likely. Two years ago, at a much-hyped conference in Spain titled "Islam in Europe," 2,000 European Muslim leaders called on Muslims around the world to help bring about an end to the capitalist system. As the biggest player in that system, the U.S. faces a delicate task: how to keep an old but estranged friend from committing suicide.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; christianity; dhimmis; dhimmization; eurabia; europe; europeanmuslims; france; germany; immigration; islam; islamization; moslem; muslim; muslims; netherlands

1 posted on 05/21/2005 3:24:28 PM PDT by thierrya
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To: thierrya

This is about the tenth such article I have read on this topic this week. Old news to me, I have known Europe is as good as dead since I had the displeasure of living there 4 years ago. But, my question is--do Europeans ever have the opportunity to read articles and opinions such as this?


2 posted on 05/21/2005 3:27:37 PM PDT by riri
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To: riri

"do Europeans ever have the opportunity to read articles and opinions such as this?"

Not many!


3 posted on 05/21/2005 3:28:49 PM PDT by thierrya
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To: thierrya
This means the U.S. will increasingly be isolated in world affairs.

Oh I don't know. There seem to be about a billion Indians give or take who want to do business with us. And Old Europe has already thrown the rope in after the anchor, as far as their future with us. Not much more harm to be done to us there regardless of which bastard ideology they adopt.

4 posted on 05/21/2005 3:34:39 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: thierrya

The key to defanging Islam is eduction. Here is a list of books that can be read online.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/library.htm

List:

Index To Islam Data base
Sirat Rasoul Allah The earliest biography of Muhammad, by ibn Ishaq
Life of Muhammad Vol 1 - Vol 2 - Vol 3 - Vol 4 Sir William Muir Esq.
The Muhammadan Controversy Sir William Muir Esq.
Prophet of doom
Craig Winn
Apology of Al Kindy By Al Kindi Written in the court of AL MÂMÛN Circa A.H. 215; A.D. 830) in defense of Christianity against Islam. Edited and compiledSir William Muir Esq.
An Introduction to Real Islam and Jihad S.K.M.
Islam Undressed Vernon Richards
Who Authored the Qur’an? Abul Kasem
The Root of Terrorism a la Islamic style Abul Kasem
Sex and sexuality in Islam Abul Kasem
Women in Islam: An exegesis By Abul Kasem
Muhammad & Islam
Stories not told before Mohammad Asghar
The Quran: An Introduction Theodor Nöldeke
The Original Sources of The Quran Rev. W. St. Clair Tisdall.
Influence of Animism on Islam An Account of Popular Superstitions Samuel M. Zwemer
Heirs of the Prophets An Account of the Clergy and Priests of Islam the Personnel of the Mosque and "Holy Men" Samuel M. Zwemer
Muhammad, Quran and Islam
Is Muhammad Foretold in the Bible John Gilcrist
My Question to Muslims Jochen Katz
Behind the Veil (Unmasking Islam) A book with the Christian perspective containing many good essays on the status of women, discrimination of non Muslims, slavery, origin, contradictions and the errors of Quran.
Quran and Kafir A. Ghosh
Christians Ask Muslims. Gerhard Nehls

The Challenge of Islam Gerhard Nehls
Negationism in India - Concealing the Record of Islam Koenraad Elst
Understanding Islam Through Hadith Sh. Ram Swarup

Hindu Temples: What Happened to Them Vol. 1 Sri Sita Ram Goel
The Calcutta Quran petition Sita Ram Goel
The Bible, The Qur'an and Science Maurice Bucaille
The Qur'an and the Bible in the Light of History and Science In Response to Maurice Bucaille Dr. William Campbell
The Codification of the Qur'an Text
Qur'an and Embryology (In response to Prof. Keith Moore)
Themes for the Diligent
Books by Iskander Jadeed
A Perfect Quran
Internet Islamic History Source Book
Christian Martyrs in Muslim Spain Kenneth Baxter Wolf
Understanding Islam through Hadis Religious Faith or Fanaticism?


5 posted on 05/21/2005 3:35:27 PM PDT by OK
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To: OK

Education, duh.


6 posted on 05/21/2005 3:36:15 PM PDT by OK
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To: thierrya
With respect to Europeans, the United States got the "cream of the crop" of Europe during the massive immigrations over here from about 1600-1930. During WW2, the balance of world power officially shifted from Europe to the U.S. and Europe has been fading ever since.
7 posted on 05/21/2005 3:40:03 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Don't You Think This Outlaw Bit's Done Got Out Of Hand?)
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To: thierrya
...all schools will soon offer instruction in Islam to Muslim students.

Will they also offer instruction in Christianity to Christian students?

8 posted on 05/21/2005 3:42:27 PM PDT by Noachian (To Control the Judiciary The People Must First Control The Congress)
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To: hinckley buzzard
Oh I don't know. There seem to be about a billion Indians give or take who want to do business with us.

China's not exactly a friend of Islam either.

9 posted on 05/21/2005 3:44:56 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
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To: thierrya

Good news for Islam. This is exactly how the Muslims overtook, once Christian, North Africa.

Initially they outbred the local population, then when their numbers had grown that they became significant as a group, they conquered the remaining Christians by the sword.

America there is your future. I am sure that what is presently happening in Europe will eventually happen here. Congress and administration are you listening??!! (Oh what the hell, I am wasting my breath. They can only think as far ahead as the next election.)


10 posted on 05/21/2005 3:47:43 PM PDT by auburntiger
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To: thierrya

The biggest problem for America with the Islamification of Europe is that those socialist Europeans who will abandon Europe for a safe life in the US will join the Democratic Party. Then they will start to screw up the US just as they did in Europe.


11 posted on 05/21/2005 3:49:06 PM PDT by Noachian (To Control the Judiciary The People Must First Control The Congress)
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To: riri

I think these sorts of opinions are illegal there.


12 posted on 05/21/2005 4:02:07 PM PDT by thoughtomator (So you're a feminist... that's so cute!)
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To: thierrya
And in France, there are more practicing Muslims than baptized Catholics. This means the U.S. will increasingly be isolated in world affairs. For example, will a Europe of, say, 50 million Muslims be more hostile to the U.S.' pro-Israel policy?

How will that be any different than the French act today when it comes to US Middle East Policy? Just more of the same.

14 posted on 05/21/2005 4:08:32 PM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Tallguy

The muslim hordes are overtaking europe. cant say they didnt deserve it!


15 posted on 05/21/2005 4:13:27 PM PDT by Jazzman1
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To: auburntiger
America there is your future. I am sure that what is presently happening in Europe will eventually happen here.

No way that will happen here. In order for the muslims to take over here they would have to outbreed the Mexicans. Ha ha!

Oh...wait...we're doomed!
16 posted on 05/21/2005 4:18:33 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: OK

bump


17 posted on 05/21/2005 4:24:29 PM PDT by bubman
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To: thierrya

The muslims will show their hands long before they achieve and majority status. They just can't help it.


18 posted on 05/21/2005 4:26:35 PM PDT by monkeywrench (http://ciudadano.presidencia.gob.mx/peticion/peticion.htm -Tell Vicente)
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To: monkeywrench
A muslim Europe will be a desoltate and unproductive wasteland, just like everyplace in dar-es-salaam. The humans will leave due to religious persecution, abandoning the continent to the untermenschen.
19 posted on 05/21/2005 4:43:17 PM PDT by ReadyNow
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To: thierrya

A civilization that cannot be bothered to reproduce itself deserves to die out. If eurowimps are not manly enough to impregnate their women, others will.


20 posted on 05/21/2005 5:17:17 PM PDT by BadAndy (Specializing in unnecessarily harsh comments.)
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To: ReadyNow
A muslim Europe will be a desoltate and unproductive wasteland, just like everyplace in dar-es-salaam. The humans will leave due to religious persecution, abandoning the continent to the untermenschen

And unless we eradicate the the hate-blame America "new liberals" our doors will inevitably become wide open to the "multicultural" experience. Its a strange thing that lefties believe, that their neo-marxist agenda being helped along by the chaos of Islam to bring an end to capitalism (the only system that has provided significant progress and overall betterment of all lives) will somehow eventually assimilate Islam into their foolish ideology. I see many Christians lying dead on the battlefield and I see many progressives whimpering for mercy just before the sword decapitates them.

21 posted on 05/21/2005 5:29:42 PM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: Buster777

The Europeans who flee here have seen liberalism fail and will be conservative voters here.

You've got to be kidding. If there's one thing I've learned, its that there's almost no limit to a liberal's capacity to deny reality.


22 posted on 05/21/2005 6:08:42 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: thierrya

This may be a sickening optimistic post, for which I ask your forgiveness. To me the world is quickly getting to be a better place. One example: The Christian Church is being reborn as I post this item. I refer to the Anglican Communion World Wide. The leaders of this Church told the "queers" to get lost. All over the World Christians are coming to this communion. Strikingly, Roman Catholics, for the obvious reason, are also beginning to join and/or form new parishes of this communion. One united Christian Church with "traditional" values will change the course of history.


23 posted on 05/21/2005 6:50:38 PM PDT by Blake#1
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To: thierrya

My pastor once said during Sunday school that the Anti-christ would possibly be a Muslim from Europe.
Looks like Europe is heading down the path that my pastor was talking about.


24 posted on 05/21/2005 8:31:38 PM PDT by Chewbacca (My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead, and thats the way I like it!)
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To: Buster777
The Europeans who flee here have seen liberalism fail and will be conservative voters here.

You've GOT to be kidding! That's what we thought about the Californians who moved out of California and into AZ, NV, and CO. Instead, they are trying now to turn these good conservative states into the pi$$ hole they just had to leave.

25 posted on 05/21/2005 8:44:51 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: McGavin999

The Liberals moving out of NY and MA ruined Vermont in the last 30 years. Maine has been also ruined by liberal refugee's. New Hampshire is next. Thousand's of do-gooder's are fleeing MA high property taxes and house prices and fleeing to NH. Unfortunately they bring their liberalism with them. Thats why NH went for Kerry in 2004.


26 posted on 05/21/2005 9:22:50 PM PDT by dancusa (Appeasement, high taxes and regulation collects in the diapers of bed wetting liberals.)
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To: Noachian

"Will they also offer instruction in Christianity to Christian students?"

Of course they will....they need some way to lure the Christians out so they can be decapitated.


27 posted on 05/21/2005 9:25:48 PM PDT by ArmedNReady (Islam, the Cancer on Humanity....and it's getting high time for radiation treatment!)
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To: riri

hardly ever.


28 posted on 06/11/2005 9:17:48 AM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: riri

Oswald Spengler was one of the first at the beginning of the last century. Old news indeed.


29 posted on 06/11/2005 9:18:36 AM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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