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Gary Bauer Calls Senate Judicial Deal a 'Sell Out'
US Newswire ^ | 5/23/05 | Kristi Hamrick

Posted on 05/23/2005 8:19:01 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

Former Presidential Candidate Gary Bauer issued the following statement late Monday as news of the "travesty" to justice deal on stalled judicial nominees was released.

The President of American Values said: "This is a sad day for our nation. The desire of millions of Americans to restore balance to our federal courts has been thwarted behind closed doors by 14 senators. Only three of President Bush's appointees are guaranteed an up or down vote under this sell out.

"Under this agreement it is now more likely that radical social change will continue to be forced on the American people by liberal courts committed to same sex marriage, abortion on demand and hostility to religious expression. The Republicans who lent their names to this travesty have undercut their President as well as millions of their most loyal voters. Shame on them all."


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KEYWORDS: 109th; bauer; filibuster; nominees
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To: TeatimeTim

John 2:15

"And He made a scrouge of cords, and drove them all out of the temple.....and poured out the coins of the moneychangers, and overturned their tables."

Revelations 14:20

"And the winepress was trodden outside the city, and blood came up out of the winepress, as deep as a horse's bridle, for a distance of about 200 miles."


51 posted on 05/23/2005 8:53:33 PM PDT by Ahban
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To: Altair333

I heard Reid say the Michigan Judges would get a vote, but then I think he backed off on Saad. But then one of the "Michigan" judges is from Ohio and that appeals court is in Cincy so the details are a bit muddled.

Still if we get six or seven, no further filibusters until a couple of more Dims go down in reelection battles, ie Nelson and Nelson, and the GOP either later changes the judicial filibuster rule or filibusters the first slightly leftist nominee of the next Dim president, then this is a deal I can live with. It is just that it will be a long time before we know for sure unless the Dims try to not live up to the deal this Congress and the GOP has the guts to call them on it.


52 posted on 05/23/2005 8:53:51 PM PDT by JLS
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To: JLS
and the signatories of this agreement NEED TO BE MADE TO UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE PROMISED US TO SUPPORT SUCH A FILIBUSTER.

Have politicians ever been known to break a promise?

Republicans got nothing from this deal that they couldn't have gotten by cutting off the filibuster. This was no horse trade -- it was a give away.

53 posted on 05/23/2005 8:54:11 PM PDT by Noachian (To Control the Judiciary The People Must First Control The Congress)
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To: hispanichoosier

This is a Constitutional issue.

ANYONE who bargains away Constituional rights is a traitor.


54 posted on 05/23/2005 8:54:14 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into
the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father
which is in heaven.
22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils?
and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart
from me, ye that work iniquity.


55 posted on 05/23/2005 8:54:14 PM PDT by TeatimeTim
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To: Racehorse

we are saying the same thing about the republicans on DU, in regard to "exceptional cirsumstances"


56 posted on 05/23/2005 8:54:23 PM PDT by all_views
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
The alien speaks..."To Serve Man...it's a COOKBOOK!"


57 posted on 05/23/2005 8:54:58 PM PDT by montag813
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To: lawnguy
Let's all just settle down a little and allow the electorate to continue to sort this all out.

We thought that's what we did last November.

58 posted on 05/23/2005 8:55:01 PM PDT by clintonh8r (So....Is means testing now a conservative value? Apparently 40% of FReepers think it is.)
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To: hispanichoosier

This is a Constitutional issue.

ANYONE who bargains away Constituional rights is a traitor.


59 posted on 05/23/2005 8:55:05 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: hispanichoosier

Even the NYT calls it a "modest victory for Bush" LOL


60 posted on 05/23/2005 8:55:19 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: onyx

It will be interesting to see if the 14 can hang together or not. I would guess that Linsey Graham has sealed his fate in SoCar. He was very foolish to involve himself in this. Imagine how he will feel when Bryd loses in 2006.


61 posted on 05/23/2005 8:55:57 PM PDT by JLS
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To: hispanichoosier

I agree, those who made the deal on both sides have no guts or principle


62 posted on 05/23/2005 8:56:00 PM PDT by all_views
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To: JLS

Here's an informed opinion: Bush will very quickly nominate Mike Wallace, a lawyer from Mississippi and former Rehnquist law clerk, to the Fifth Circuit.

The Dems will freak because Wallace was Trent Lott's counsel for the Clinton impeachment- as conservative as they come.


63 posted on 05/23/2005 8:56:45 PM PDT by Altair333
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To: Postman

Aren't you being a bit EXTREME. There must be some strategery involved. Certainly, no Republican can be dumb enough agree to a deal like this, if there is no bigger victory lurking around the next bend in the road. Relent! Continue to give to the RNC! After all, if it weren't for the Moderates in the Senate refusing to convict Der Schlickmeister, we would be starting the 2nd term of President Algore and with all the comity shown by Senate Pubs, who knows what the courts would look like.


64 posted on 05/23/2005 8:57:04 PM PDT by Postman
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To: ZULU

How could you move for a rules change without a filibuster? And, as I told you, enough Dems would have voted for cloture to prevent a filibuster and preclude an opportunity to introduce a rules change motion.


65 posted on 05/23/2005 8:57:58 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Would rich Oil men count?


66 posted on 05/23/2005 8:58:36 PM PDT by TeatimeTim
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To: ZULU

Actually, the US Constitution provides for the US Senate to make its own rules. It's Article I, section 5, clause 2.


67 posted on 05/23/2005 8:58:41 PM PDT by hispanichoosier
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To: Postman
Certainly, no Republican can be dumb enough agree to a deal like this, if there is no bigger victory lurking around the next bend in the road.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA....wimper, breath, HA HA HA HA HA HA

68 posted on 05/23/2005 8:59:21 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Nothing in this RINO deal guarantees Brown, Owen and Pryor will be CONFIRMED!)
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To: Noachian

The GOP Senators did not want to change the filibuster rules. I don't blame them, IF THEY INTEND TO FILIBUSTER FUTURE DIM OUT OF THE MAINSTREAM JUDICIAL APPOINTEES. That to me is the implied long term promise.

That is what they got. If for giving up two of the seven, they kept their right to filibuster future Dim radical left appointees AND THEY USE THAT RIGHT, then it is not as bad a deal as some make it out to be. In addition, I think Bush should now reappoint Estada and then appoint him to the US Supreme Court in June.


69 posted on 05/23/2005 8:59:38 PM PDT by JLS
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To: Bogey78O
Tonight the Senate has worked its will on behalf of reason, and behalf of responsibility. We have sent President George Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, and the radical arm of the Republican base an undeniable message: abuse of power will not be tolerated--will not be tolerated by Democrats or Republicans. And your attempt, I say to the Vice President and to the President, to trample the Constitution and grab absolute control is over." --Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-NV

I simply cannot stand that man.

70 posted on 05/23/2005 8:59:53 PM PDT by Tahts-a-dats-ago
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To: all_views
I agree, those who made the deal on both sides have no guts or principle

I think the GOP saw this deal as a chance to get a "bird in the hand." We get votes on up to 7 judicial nominees, don't have to risk going nuclear, and can threaten to nuke at a later date. I don't see this as a bad deal at all.
71 posted on 05/23/2005 9:00:46 PM PDT by hispanichoosier
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To: Altair333

Very nice tip. That would quickly make this deal show dividens or bring it crashing down.


72 posted on 05/23/2005 9:00:54 PM PDT by JLS
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Some Freeper wrote:

"BUSH CANNOT PERMIT THIS TO STAND. If need be, he must choose July 4th as the line on the sand. Bush must tell the Senate: "You will allow an up or down vote on EVERY nominee by July 4th, or on that Independence Day, I shall recess appoint whomever is fillibustered, and take my fight to the people, and against the obstructionists, in the midterm elections"

73 posted on 05/23/2005 9:00:58 PM PDT by prognostigaator
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Stephens, Inc., also helped introduce the BCCI virus into US banking in 1978 when it arranged the sale of Bert Lance's National Bank of Georgia to BCCI front man Ghaith Pharoan. (The head of Stephens, Inc., Jackson Stephens, is a member of President Bush's exclusive "Team 100," a group of 249 wealthy individuals who have contributed at least $100,000 each to the GOP's presidential-campaign committee.)

Is this a MoneyChanger?


74 posted on 05/23/2005 9:02:15 PM PDT by TeatimeTim
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To: zarf
And idiots calling idiots calling idiots idiots idiots?
(just...read it a few times)  :D
75 posted on 05/23/2005 9:02:45 PM PDT by solitas (So what if I support a platform that has fewer flaws than yours? 'Mystic' dual 500 G4's, OSX.3.7)
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To: hispanichoosier

It is a "great" deal for the Republicans. I am a dem, and frankly I was NOT represented by my side


76 posted on 05/23/2005 9:02:52 PM PDT by all_views
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To: JLS

That's generally nice. However, you trust the Democrats much to much. I suspect that they would nuke the filibuster the second they felt it was getting in their way.


77 posted on 05/23/2005 9:03:15 PM PDT by Postman
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To: Defiant

youre absolutely right....once again there is a blatant disregard of the constitution. this 'deal' stands the real meaning of 'advise and consent' on it's ear.


78 posted on 05/23/2005 9:03:43 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: Petronski

republican *insert name for female genitalia here*


79 posted on 05/23/2005 9:04:43 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: JLS

Lindsay might be toast. He earning it.

Now tell me PLEASE, what do you know about SHEETS losing in '06?

Do we have a good one to unseat him? Here, I've been thinking the old byrd would die on the floor of the senate chamber!


80 posted on 05/23/2005 9:04:50 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: kingattax

this is Senate rules, not Constitutional rules


81 posted on 05/23/2005 9:04:53 PM PDT by all_views
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To: all_views
Well, all_views, since you're a liberal, maybe you'd like to look at the list of your 7 who voted for the deal:

Joe Lieberman
Ben Nelson
Mary Landrieu
Mark Pryor
Ken Salazar
Kent Conrad
Robert Byrd

Please keep in mind, though, that I don't think the deal's that bad since we get a pass on up to 7 nominees.
82 posted on 05/23/2005 9:05:05 PM PDT by hispanichoosier
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To: cyborg
republican *insert name for female genitalia here*

Octopussy/8

83 posted on 05/23/2005 9:06:19 PM PDT by Petronski (A champion of dance, my moves will put you in a trance, and I never leave the disco alone.)
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To: all_views
Welcome to FR. I'd caution the passionate on both sides (and Lord, are they ever!) to regard this as a very interesting exercise in practical politics over principle. And I don't mean to demean it by labeling it so. Without these 14 votes neither side would have been able to claim a complete victory. Both feel they should have and deserve to, but the fact is that neither would have. These 14 felt that it was in the interest of the country, or of themselves (it isn't always the same thing) to avoid an showdown on the issue. And so one was avoided for the moment, even if it is only delayed.

What then? This is precisely why politics is called "the art of the possible." This sort of thing is what is going to keep the Sunni, Shi'a, and Kurds from butchering one another in Iraq, and believe me, if you think the Dems and Pubbies are passionate on the issue, those boys make us look calm by comparison.

We can't stop fighting for our judicial nominees, of course. It's just going to have to be under slightly altered conditions, if in fact they are altered at all. This is just really interesting, and I'm going to have to consider the matter at much greater length to say any more.

84 posted on 05/23/2005 9:07:46 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: onyx

I don't know anything of course as nobody could at this point in time. It is just that the state is trending GOP and his is racing to the left. His performances in general are probably a bit embarrasing to increasingly suburban W.Va.

I read a little something about the GOP putting a true conservative up against him that had come very close in a prior statewide election. That could make this something like Thune v. Dashel hopefully.


85 posted on 05/23/2005 9:08:18 PM PDT by JLS
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To: Natural Law

OBITUARY

The Republican Party, suffering from a long and debilitating illness, passed away tonight. Despite efforts by the majority of voters to support in record numbers, it succumbed to repeated attcks by viral agents named John McCain, Frist, Snowe and Chaffee, among others.

Autopsy results indicated a total degeneration of the intestines (guts), spinal chord (bacbone) and testicles.

No wake is expected as no mourners are available.

Requiescat in oblivion.


86 posted on 05/23/2005 9:09:36 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: all_views
we are saying the same thing about the republicans on DU, in regard to "exceptional cirsumstances"

That's pretty much the point.

The term is meaningless.

When the next confrontation rolls out we'll be treated to all sorts historical misrepresentation.  All of a sudden we'll be told the entire constitution rises and falls on the foundation of the exceptional circumstances standard.  Never mind it just got made up.  :-)

87 posted on 05/23/2005 9:09:45 PM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: Postman

I don't trust them. I preferred changing the rules because I suspect the GOP will never filibuster any radical Dim nominee.

But now that we have this deal, we have to evaluate how good or bad it is.


88 posted on 05/23/2005 9:09:47 PM PDT by JLS
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To: hispanichoosier

yeah, I know, most are moderates. What I find interesting is your side seems as equally pissed as those at DU, but I think you got a great deal and really gave up nothing, and why should you? You won Congress and the executive branch in 2004.


89 posted on 05/23/2005 9:10:01 PM PDT by all_views
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

It was not a sell out. It was black mail.

The reason this happened is the FBI Files the Clinton Administration grabbed on the Republicans. They are afraid the Dems will do to them at the Dems did to Henry Hyde.

Anytime something this stupid by the Republicans comes up, every time you say to yourself, "how stupid can the Republicans be?" this is the answer.

And the answer for all of us is to vote out the Republican incumbants in the next primary. We have to get the extorted GOP members out of Congress.


90 posted on 05/23/2005 9:10:18 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: onyx
Here, I've been thinking the old byrd would die on the floor of the senate chamber!

Hell, if we tell him it will set a Sssssenate Precedent, he'll probably volunteer!

91 posted on 05/23/2005 9:10:53 PM PDT by Petronski (A champion of dance, my moves will put you in a trance, and I never leave the disco alone.)
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To: zarf
Gary Bauer. Anoter idiot.

Nope, it was a boneheaded move by the Republicans. Bauer is right on.

92 posted on 05/23/2005 9:11:41 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: rapture-me

rope.


93 posted on 05/23/2005 9:11:41 PM PDT by beyond the sea (Iím sleeping with myself tonight.........saved in time, thank God my musicís still alive)
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To: JLS
IF THEY INTEND TO FILIBUSTER FUTURE DIM OUT OF THE MAINSTREAM JUDICIAL APPOINTEES. That to me is the implied long term promise

You're assuming that Democrats have a future as a majority party, and everywhere we look we see democrats losing elections and power.

If we judge every present day rules change by what may happen years into the future we'll change nothing, and judicial activism will always be with us.

We live in the present, and we have an obligation to our children to make this country as safe for them as possible. That won't happen by making deals today based on what may happen years from now.

94 posted on 05/23/2005 9:12:03 PM PDT by Noachian (To Control the Judiciary The People Must First Control The Congress)
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To: Petronski


OH YES!
You know, I think he's hanging on JUST to break Strom's record.


95 posted on 05/23/2005 9:13:41 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: JLS

I really, really, really want him to lose!

He is an embarrassment. Arrogant old fool.


96 posted on 05/23/2005 9:15:04 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

1
Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with
what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye,
but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4
Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote
out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye;
and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy
brother's eye.


97 posted on 05/23/2005 9:15:07 PM PDT by TeatimeTim
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To: all_views
What I find interesting is your side seems as equally pissed as those at DU, but I think you got a great deal and really gave up nothing

Yeah, we're pissed because we feel like the RINOs in our party screwed us over once again. However, I completely agree that--numerically at least--we come out ahead with the nominees that will now be voted on.
98 posted on 05/23/2005 9:15:43 PM PDT by hispanichoosier
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To: BJungNan

Bauer supported McCain. He needs to shut his pie hole.


99 posted on 05/23/2005 9:16:26 PM PDT by zarf
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To: zarf
Bauer supported McCain. He needs to shut his pie hole.

I had forgotten about that!
100 posted on 05/23/2005 9:17:19 PM PDT by hispanichoosier
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