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Dr. James Dobson Blasts Filibuster 'Betrayal'
U.S. Newswire ^ | 5/23/05 | Dr. James Dobson

Posted on 05/23/2005 8:34:29 PM PDT by Crackingham

"This Senate agreement represents a complete bailout and betrayal by a cabal of Republicans and a great victory for united Democrats. Only three of President Bush’s nominees will be given the courtesy of an up-or-down vote, and it's business as usual for all the rest. The rules that blocked conservative nominees remain in effect, and nothing of significance has changed. Justice Clarence Thomas, Justice Antonin Scalia, and Chief Justice William Rehnquist would never have served on the U. S. Supreme Court if this agreement had been in place during their confirmations. The unconstitutional filibuster survives in the arsenal of Senate liberals.

"We are grateful to Majority Leader Frist for courageously fighting to defend the vital principle of basic fairness. That principle has now gone down to defeat. We share the disappointment, outrage and sense of abandonment felt by millions of conservative Americans who helped put Republicans in power last November. I am certain that these voters will remember both Democrats and Republicans who betrayed their trust."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: 109th; dobson; filibuster; focusonthefamily; jamesdobson
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To: JCEccles

That's for sure. You have freepmail I wish you'd consider.


101 posted on 05/23/2005 9:24:04 PM PDT by Peach
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To: aquila48

Frist has proven time and time again, he has the spine of a jelly fish and does not have what it takes to play hard ball with these guys. They will continue to roll him like a drunk.


102 posted on 05/23/2005 9:26:08 PM PDT by Jmouse007 ("Negotiate and die!" Brought to you by "Islam the Religion of Peace tm")
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To: aquila48

...He should take this as a personal slap in the face and return the favor, if he's a man...

Loyalty goes up and down the chain of command. Tommy Franks.


103 posted on 05/23/2005 9:27:16 PM PDT by planekT (Go DeLay, Go!)
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To: Jred1116

In terms of the geopolitical global context, yes, those who adhere to traditional Judeo-Christian philosophy are under assault in these same ways, as individuals, and their states as nations. Evidence of Christianity and religious Judaism - the culture that produced the tradition of law and history that underlies the foundation of America is systematically being attacked and erased in the courts, the culture, and the symbols of the nation. There are attacks on that culture not only here but also abroad, and we but wait to import it in full measure - sectarian violence - unless we act to defend this civilization. The barbarians at the gates are the socialist left and the Islamokazis, whom are working together to achieve the same goal - the destruction of that culture. Americans are getting their heads cut off, and the Democrats are caught in vapor lock, having no sensible public explanation for their behavior, only heated rhetoric and name-calling.

Thus anything that would reinforce or sustain that culture has become anathema to the Democrats and socialists in our government. Conservative judges are the representatives of that civilization in the field of law and liberal activist judges are the last stand of the Left, who have lost on all levels at the ballot box and look to do so again and again. Having nothing positive to offer, they can only hold their influence - and in this case, their best trump card, too - by extending the relative influence of Carter and Clinton nominees (and some of Bush Sr.'s mistkaes, as well.)

You want to talk about violence? I have seen many a socialist riot in New York, they are as predicatable as clockwork. Hollywood stars have urged the literal stoning of Representatives; the New York Times - among others - openly prayed for an assassination. A grenade tossed at our own President. Politicians and artists, murdered alike, by socialists and Islamists in the Netherlands. Synagogues burned in Canada and France. Arsonists and terrorists in California. The situation is so bad you can get strip searched for no reason other than the need to board an airplane.

Thus the last stand of the socialists is the filibuster, which can preserve an established order - the status quo


104 posted on 05/23/2005 9:30:12 PM PDT by thoughtomator (The U.S. Constitution poses no serious threat to our form of government)
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To: Malesherbes
he knew he was going to make a lot of people "at home mad for a while.

He feels it will be just for a while, and when its election time, he can go "home" and tell everyone how he fought the big, bad democrats. He'll just have to re-cast himself as a conservative and all will be well, everything forgotten. A few good speeches, and he'll be smelling like roses again!

105 posted on 05/23/2005 9:30:50 PM PDT by Moorings
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To: PeskyOne

NCM's--Neville's Chamber-maids?

The MACH14 after Machiavelli?

TGI's TRAITOROUS GLOBALIST IDIOTS?

GR's--Globalist Robots

LW's--LIMP WRISTED, WIMP HEARTED, BRAINLESS AND PLAIN TERMINALLY LIMP--in all the areas it normally counts to be otherwise.

PT's PATHETIC TRAITORS.

MHB's MAMA SHRILLERY'S BOYS

SU's SUCK-UPS

PPP's PRANCING PONTIFICATORS PISSING (in our ears yet again).

The 7(14) Stooges

BD7--The Brain Dead 7(14)

POAIC's--PROOF OF ALIEN IMPLANT CONTROL

The HB7(14)--The Horse Biscuit 7(14)

. . .


106 posted on 05/23/2005 9:30:50 PM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: Peach
I'm thinking about it. He's still a friend, and I still think he's a conservative at heart. I've talked with him heart-to-heart and come away with a good measure of the man. I think he likes playing tie-breaker in these things because it puts him on center stage, and he's always loved being on stage. And he's not the kind of guy to take a personal poll about what other people think. He'll call you to beat him and concede graciously if you do.

I guess what I'm saying is, I don't mind sharing some personal insights with a few FReepers of good faith and discretion via FReepmail, but I'm not ready to go beyond that yet.

BTW, I have some great background info from the Monicagate era. I might share it someday. ;-)

107 posted on 05/23/2005 9:32:20 PM PDT by JCEccles (Andrea Dworkin--the Ward Churchill of gender politics.)
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To: thoughtomator

Well put.


108 posted on 05/23/2005 9:33:14 PM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: Moorings

I'm inceasingly convinced that spiritual warfare prayers are the only hope we have about anything.

I'm increasingly inclined to pray that God speeds up their reaping what they have sown . . . whether as a lesson to others or to give them some slight chance to be spared the fires of hell that they seem so eagerly supportive of.


109 posted on 05/23/2005 9:34:35 PM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: bulldozer

"Now the Republicans are going down the river without a paddle."

No, I think they are trying to go UP a river without a paddle. Going downstream, they could just drift aimlessly....humm, so what's different from what they have been doing?


110 posted on 05/23/2005 9:34:56 PM PDT by ArmedNReady
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To: Malesherbes
No Problem This SC resident will actively work against the senator in the primary and probably in the general election. I don't think this will be forgotten.
111 posted on 05/23/2005 9:35:31 PM PDT by WHBates
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To: JCEccles

I understand.

And when/if you do decide to share on the Monicagate matter, please keep me in mind :-)


112 posted on 05/23/2005 9:35:35 PM PDT by Peach
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To: MurryMom

"The Bolten nomination is dead now."

I think the Bolten nomination is alive if it isn't President Bush should declare himself an Independent and start a strong third party. Why not? The Republicans stab his dad in the back and it looks like they might try the samething to him.


114 posted on 05/23/2005 9:43:49 PM PDT by JeffersonRepublic.com
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To: thoughtomator
Make no mistake people, conservatives are being kept out of the judiciary in the same exact manner as were the black children kept from Southern schools in the Jim Crow era.

You raise an interesting point. I'm not disagreeing with you, but I can only imagine the uproar if I had said this.


115 posted on 05/23/2005 9:45:40 PM PDT by rdb3 (One may smile and smile and still be a villain.)
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To: Right Wing Assault
Nothing against doctors, but most of them don't make very good politicians.

Three of my favorite legislators have been doctors - former rep Durward Hall, current rep Ron Paul, and Current senator Tom Coburn.
116 posted on 05/23/2005 9:48:59 PM PDT by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: rdb3

see 104


117 posted on 05/23/2005 9:49:24 PM PDT by thoughtomator (The U.S. Constitution poses no serious threat to our form of government)
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To: Quix

Yes, that is what we can do against their efforts to corrupt this country.


118 posted on 05/23/2005 9:55:32 PM PDT by Moorings
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To: Moorings

Thankfully, we can even pray in POW camps.


119 posted on 05/23/2005 9:58:37 PM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: YHAOS
"Call the seven scoundrels the Opera Buffa."

No, more like the 'Seven Dwarfs', only they sold out 'Snow White' (Republicans) to the 'Wicked Witch' (Democrats).

Try and guess which one's are which: Dopey, Grumpy, Sneezy (or should that be Sleazy), etc. LOL
;^D

120 posted on 05/23/2005 10:00:04 PM PDT by RebelTex (Freedom is everyone's right - and everyone's responsibility!)
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To: Pride in the USA; Stillwaters

It's a sad day for the Republic. Dobson has it right, we were betrayed. Let the consequences begin.


121 posted on 05/23/2005 10:00:40 PM PDT by lonevoice (Vast Right Wing Pajama Party)
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To: Vicomte13
All it takes for evil to triumph is for Republicans to befriend, act like, and give in to, Democrats.

If Republican'ts will not stand up to the domestic Democrat, why should we expect them to stand up to the foreign terrorist?

122 posted on 05/23/2005 10:02:27 PM PDT by Captainpaintball
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To: Lancey Howard

Sounds to me like you figured it out.


123 posted on 05/23/2005 10:04:14 PM PDT by RBroadfoot
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To: Quix
"I'm inceasingly convinced that spiritual warfare prayers are the only hope we have about anything.."

I know. I've been feeling that "pull" to fast and pray The Word over this, and I didn't. I got complacent, like "oh, it'll be okay...."

So now I feel horrible. I'm angry and I have guilt.

124 posted on 05/23/2005 10:05:46 PM PDT by oprahstheantichrist (...rethinking the Oprah thing. Watch Soros closely.)
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To: Crackingham

Dobson is right ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


125 posted on 05/23/2005 10:07:44 PM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: thoughtomator; Jred1116
You hit the nail on the head. Although they are not using pointy hoods, German Shepherds, and fire hoses, I recognized how the Left is still operating true to form. I had made this mental connection a while ago. I didn't want to say it for rather obvious reasons.

Baldwin on a late night show outright calling for violence against Hyde. Socialists acting like savages when protesting WTO meetings. Conservative commentators at universities being assaulted with pies or salad dressing. Yeah, pastries and condiments they were, but they just as soon could have been weapons. Same principle applies. Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson threatened by the Soul Patrol. He's written about it. And these are very brief Cliff Notes to the nastiness and violence.

So I'm glad you see the same connection. I'm very glad because that just proves that I'm not crazy after all. I may be a little weird, but I ain't crazy. ;-)

When you know history, you immediately recognize the tactics. This is nothing new.


126 posted on 05/23/2005 10:14:12 PM PDT by rdb3 (One may smile and smile and still be a villain.)
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To: thoughtomator

What you said.


127 posted on 05/23/2005 10:15:02 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: MurryMom
There are no losers. Look on the bright side. The Bolten nomination is dead now.

DU Board down?

128 posted on 05/23/2005 10:15:36 PM PDT by itsahoot (If Judge Greer can run America then I guess just about anyone with a spine could do the same.)
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To: Quix

Maybe you were thinking of Club of Rome:
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-32,GGLD:en&q=Club+of+Rome


129 posted on 05/23/2005 10:15:37 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: Quix

Lol. Funny but true (post 55)


130 posted on 05/23/2005 10:17:41 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe (Remember, once you're over the hill, you pick up speed.)
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To: Right Wing Assault
Nothing against doctors, but most of them don't make very good politicians.

Dr. Coburn(R) newly elected Senator from Oklahoma, may not be a good politician, but he will make a He11 of a legislator. Already in trouble with the leadership. He is not a go along to get along guy, honered his promise to term limit himself from the house.

131 posted on 05/23/2005 10:20:28 PM PDT by itsahoot (If Judge Greer can run America then I guess just about anyone with a spine could do the same.)
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To: MurryMom
The Bolten nomination is dead now

Bad spelling and not true...anything new on your planet

132 posted on 05/23/2005 10:21:11 PM PDT by woofie ("Plunk your magic twanger, Froggy!!")
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To: Quix; Moorings
Not that it matters now, but hypothetically what if the entire body of Christ had prayed for Frist the way we prayed for W before the Nov. 04 election? Would this have turned out differently? Would the RINOs have softened?

It's easy to level our anger at Frist, but he must have been under heavy attack spiritually. Mere humans can't withstand that for very long.

Warfare is draining, and I got lulled into thinking it wasn't necessary, or that I could put if off till Tuesday (tomorrow).

Does anyone know if there were "filibuster prayer threads?"

133 posted on 05/23/2005 10:26:55 PM PDT by oprahstheantichrist (...rethinking the Oprah thing. Watch Soros closely.)
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To: upchuck
Graham is, unfortunately, SC, where I live. Damned RINO!!!!<.i>

I expect the questions of his sexuality to come back up after this little ego trip.

134 posted on 05/23/2005 10:30:03 PM PDT by itsahoot (If Judge Greer can run America then I guess just about anyone with a spine could do the same.)
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To: hatfieldmccoy
I am asking that any information about my address or phone number be removed from any political action or campaign fund raising associated with you or the Republicans.

Why waste all those prepaid envelopes, don't you have some bricks you don't need?

135 posted on 05/23/2005 10:32:21 PM PDT by itsahoot (If Judge Greer can run America then I guess just about anyone with a spine could do the same.)
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To: itsahoot

You know now that you mention it I do have some bags of dog waste I've been putting in the trash...


136 posted on 05/23/2005 10:34:49 PM PDT by hatfieldmccoy (Satan has a new name and it is Islam)
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To: thoughtomator
There is absolutely no basis whatsoever for applying any sort of geo-political context to our current filibuster controversy. To use the term 'socialist' to describe any action of the Democratic Party is no more justifiable than using the term 'fascist' to describe the actions of the Republicans. Socialism in a geopolitical context has no application whatsoever to American Politics. Socialism as the Europeans understand it simply cannot be found in the actions of either American political party, for better or for worse.
As to Owen and Rodgers-Brown, who are unabashedly pro-death penalty, anti-environmental protection, and anti-civil rights embodying any sort of Judeo-Christian philosophy, that opinion is very, very debatable, as is your opinion that Christianity and religious Judaism are the cultures that produced the tradition of law and history that underlies the foundation of America. The idea that the American left is working in any sort of conjunction with the 'Islamokazies' is profane and hypocritical. It is not an idea that warrants debate. Far more people on the left are bothered by these judges' opinions on civil rights, corporate regulation, doctors' rights to act in the best interest of their patients, and the environment than their religion. Although the intent of our nation's founders that church and state remain separate is quite clear, religion is simply not an issue compared to the others I have mentioned. None of the violent acts you cited have anything to do with our present filibuster controversy, whereas persecution of minorities during Jim Crow had much to do with desegregation. Do you honestly take anything actors say about politics seriously?
137 posted on 05/23/2005 10:35:10 PM PDT by Jred1116
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To: MurryMom

The Loch Ness monster of FR has surfaced.


138 posted on 05/23/2005 10:35:51 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Harmful Or Fatal If Swallowed)
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To: petertare

or, more likely, a kick of the can further down the road.


139 posted on 05/23/2005 10:36:30 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: JCEccles
We have GOT to add an additional seat or three in the Senate in the 2006 and 2008 election cycles. That is vital.

Looks like we need to redo the ones we put in last time, for all the good they are. Be sure and only support RINOs that can win like Arnold so we won't get driver's licenses for illegals....Oh never mind.

140 posted on 05/23/2005 10:46:17 PM PDT by itsahoot (If Judge Greer can run America then I guess just about anyone with a spine could do the same.)
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To: Lancey Howard

Lester Maddox and George Wallace are indeed the right wing politicians I was refering to. The terms 'republican' and 'right wing' did not become synonymous until after Barry Goldwater's Presidential run and the completion of the civil rights movement. This transition was in its early stages in '63 when Wallace stood in front of the courthouse. He was an independent by '68.

Al Gore Sr. Civil Rights Record -
- Voted against the Poll Tax of 1942
- Voted for Civil Rights Act of 1957
- Nominated 2 young black students from Memphis for appointment to US Air
Force Academy - risky in Tennessee in 1957
- Voted for 1965 Voters Rights Act
- 1968 Fair Housing Act
- Al Gore Sr. apologized for his 1964 vote and called it a big mistake. He was concerned that it went to far to fast and would be used to cut off funding of schools who appeared to be in violation.


141 posted on 05/23/2005 10:49:01 PM PDT by Jred1116
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To: aquila48
If so we'll see if Frist has the balls to punish these renagades.

He wouldn't dare, not after Dingy Harry, warned him against reprisals today.

142 posted on 05/23/2005 10:53:45 PM PDT by itsahoot (If Judge Greer can run America then I guess just about anyone with a spine could do the same.)
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To: Captainpaintball
If Republican'ts will not stand up to the domestic Democrat, why should we expect them to stand up to the foreign terrorist?

a. what's the difference between the two?
b. some of these people must have in their O3 (oath of office), "against all enemies, FOREIGN and DOMESTIC". Let's see it.

143 posted on 05/23/2005 10:56:44 PM PDT by Christian4Bush (Prayers for Laura Ingraham as she continues treatment for breast cancer. 5-20-05)
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To: Crackingham

It's bizarro world when the minority gets to define to the majority that which is and is not extreme.


144 posted on 05/23/2005 11:00:16 PM PDT by bamaborn
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To: Jred1116

"Socialism as the Europeans understand it simply cannot be found in the actions of either American political party, for better or for worse."

That's a flat out lie, and everyone here knows it.


145 posted on 05/23/2005 11:02:50 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: Crackingham

I'm thinking this agreement dies at the end of this Congress. (if it even lasts that long)

Per Sheets Byrd:

"The Constitution in article I, section 5, says that each House shall determine the rules of its proceedings. Now we are at the beginning of Congress. This Congress is not obliged to be bound by the dead hand of the past."


146 posted on 05/23/2005 11:19:10 PM PDT by stylin19a ( Social Security...neither social nor secure.)
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To: RWR8189
"The Club for Growth exists to  encourage, and make possible, the enactment of pro-growth economic policies by the federal government create a permanent aristocracy."
147 posted on 05/23/2005 11:19:41 PM PDT by Penner
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To: Quix

Why don't we just be done with it and declare the gang of 14 to be the USSA Politboro (13 would be a better number, though)? Instead of 45 Senators determining who will be seated on the Federal bench, it's now down to 14. I wonder how many of the 14 are controlled by Soros? McCain is definitely a sock-puppet - how many of the others are?


148 posted on 05/23/2005 11:27:56 PM PDT by Bogolyubski
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To: thoughtomator; B4Ranch; Travis McGee; Squantos

In the McCain-led press conference, did you see Byrd's trite recital of Franklin's quip, "a republic if you can keep it?" All I could do was grit my teeth. Byrd actually believes he's relevant, and millions of Democrats agree. It is interesting that they believe that this compromise "saves" the republic.


149 posted on 05/23/2005 11:43:09 PM PDT by risk
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To: MurryMom
In this deal the American people are the big winners. There are no losers.

Yes there is. Look in the mirror.

150 posted on 05/23/2005 11:51:06 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Once was a Pepsi drinker)
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