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Today: Katie's Krokodile Tears [More Concern for Baby Alligator than Human Life]
The Today Show | governsleast governsbest

Posted on 05/26/2005 4:24:33 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest

It was just a throw-away line on a throw-away filler piece. Yet in its own way it was deeply revealing of the liberal mindset.

At the end of its top-of-the-hour news recap, Today ran a piece about a Florida family that had found a small alligator lounging in its backyard swimming pool. Today aired footage of authorities roping and removing the reptile.

Katie then murmured "gee, I hope it will be released and be OK," with Matt Lauer ominously informing Katie that things sometimes don't work out too well for the alligator in such situations.

So there it was. Katie's crocodile tears for . . . a crocodile. OK, an alligator, but who's counting?

Yet another example of the liberal mindset at work. From snail darters to spotted owls to baby seals to alligators, liberal hearts bleed at the thought of any harm being done to animals.

But 40 million and counting babies aborted since Roe v. Wade? Hey, when's the next march where we can "celebrate a woman's right to choose"? Starving and dehydrating Terri Schiavo to death? Hey, her life wasn't meaningful anyhow.


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To: poobear
So blow.

This erases any positives that you have attempted to present.

n00bs acting like b00bs.

101 posted on 05/26/2005 6:32:15 AM PDT by Eaker (..Let them throw cake!! . (TheMom)
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To: squeekyclean

They won't be kicked off, they will leave on their own.

The n00bs that have thin skins and are too lazy to to any research but continue to shoot off their mouths soon tire of FR because people rightfully treat them like trolls.


102 posted on 05/26/2005 6:34:45 AM PDT by Eaker (..Let them throw cake!! . (TheMom)
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To: squeekyclean
Thank you and that's why I decided to just walk away from this argument.

When a 'newbie' disagrees with a 'regular', he get's called a troll, then come the troll pictures and next thing you know that person has been 'removed'.  Disagreeing with someone is 'baiting' that person.

I saw it several times during the 'Schiavo' debate and that is why I waited so long to join.  My viewpoints contrasted with several people here and I saw no reason to join in that mess.

Somehow, a story about a baby aliigator and Katie Couric is just not worth it to me.  There are more interesting articles to discuss.

104 posted on 05/26/2005 6:40:27 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Yep. :)

OTOH, there's a not very funny side to this. This state is infested with gators - the damned things are everywhere. One of the other engineers at my office did a field visit at a nearby lake to look at some stuff. He spotted 80 alligators after walking less than a mile along the shore (this is a big lake, 5,000 acres or so).

With all the gators and all the people coming in, showdowns are inevitable, especially when people start feeding the gators. That's illegal, but they do it anyway.

Once they get fed, they lose their fear of humans and see them as a food source, and then they become a serious menace and usually end up being destroyed, hopefully before they've killed someone. You can't tame these things like you do dogs and cats.

105 posted on 05/26/2005 6:44:39 AM PDT by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: squeekyclean
squeekyclean, I left mom's home some 30 years. My skin is very thick and I can take any nit picky criticism from a housewife, daytime computer 'dude', or perhaps a real scholar can dish.

Can we back to the subject now that the name calling is over?
106 posted on 05/26/2005 6:46:08 AM PDT by poobear (Yes, I have a life other than FR)
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To: softwarecreator; governsleastgovernsbest
She IS entitled to her personal views.

Yes, she is entitled to her personal views.
She is not, however, to pass off her personal views as objective truth or even "news". This, IMHO, is where the MSM goes off the tracks. Finally, the Today Show is paying the price for that behavior with "plunging" ratings. (remember, governs - SOP now is to say that the Today show's ratings are "plunging"?! LOL)

107 posted on 05/26/2005 6:56:14 AM PDT by iceskater ("Words are, of course, the most powerful drug used by mankind." - Kipling)
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To: WKB

Ugh! Probably.


108 posted on 05/26/2005 6:56:25 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: softwarecreator

Clearly, you are a newbie. Governs has been keeping an eye on the Today Show so the rest of us don't have to suffer through it. He's been making these posts for a long time. He lets us know what the MSM vis a vis the Today Show is up to.

Know your enemy!


109 posted on 05/26/2005 6:58:28 AM PDT by iceskater ("Words are, of course, the most powerful drug used by mankind." - Kipling)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
"Has Katie ever come out on the show and paraded her pro-choice views?"


110 posted on 05/26/2005 6:59:27 AM PDT by Artist
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To: softwarecreator

Please explain why, after questioning the existence of evidence that Couric is pro-choice, you declined to view rather clear-cut evidence of just that?


111 posted on 05/26/2005 7:01:43 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: Artist

Thanks, Artist. I think you've made a prima facie case for Couric's pro-choice views. Oddly, after demanding proof thereof, softwarecreator has so far refused to review it!


112 posted on 05/26/2005 7:03:55 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: softwarecreator
"I just wonder how her viewpoints are affecting her coverage of the story."

If this is something you *wonder* about, I'm not sure that anyone can help you see.

113 posted on 05/26/2005 7:03:59 AM PDT by Miss Behave (Do androids dream of electric sheep?)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Here is a link to Katie's exchange with Whoopi Goldberg about "choice." Whoopi's at every major pro-abortion event it seems (and in her biography says that she can't even remember how many abortions she's had).---Link
114 posted on 05/26/2005 7:10:11 AM PDT by Artist
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
after questioning the existence of evidence that Couric is pro-choice, you declined to view rather clear-cut evidence of just that

Everyone keeps showing 'proof' of her bias when she is OFF the air.  no one has shown proof of this DURING a show.

You mentioned she had more concern for this than Terri Schiavo ... what did she do for you to say this.  You offered NO proof ... show me direct quotes or actions and I could agree with you.

My point is this:

It was a story about a baby alligator being taken from a pond and she showed concern for it.  What should she have said "look at that lil' gator, I hope they chop it up into little pieces and sprinkle in the 'glades'"?  Or should she have said ... "They killed Terri, so let's waste the ugly varmint".  Maybe something like ... "Sure they kill unborn babies, yet they let this ugly thing live" would have been more appropriate?

That is what my response was about ... not what you did yesterday or whether you are a 'watchdog' for the media.  That stuff is all great and I will probably look into your past threads to see what else you've done ... most of which is probably very informative.   But what should she have done differently in this story to show her concern for Terri and abortion?

115 posted on 05/26/2005 7:14:37 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: Miss Behave
It was a story about an ALLIGATOR, not al-qaeda, abortion, terrorists, Terri Schiavo or anything else.

I am asking about a particular story, nothing more.

What else should she have said during this ONE story to show affection for unborn fetuses?

What am I not seeing?

116 posted on 05/26/2005 7:17:57 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: softwarecreator; squeekyclean
When a 'newbie' disagrees with a 'regular', he get's called a troll, then come the troll pictures and next thing you know that person has been 'removed'. Disagreeing with someone is 'baiting' that person.

Oh, puh-leeze! It happens from time to time, but not with the regularity that you both imply.

I've been here since just after the inception of FR, and the very difficult job that the moderators do is handled exceptionally well.

Pre-moderator, it was pretty wild and woolly around here, I'll tell you that much. There is a very real threat of "trolls" and "disruptors" ruining a board and so fogging the facts in various threads that the board becomes worthless. It has been tried here numerous times.

I've seen your posts before, softwarecreator, so I didn't come down on you as a troll. I did feel that you needed to be educated on glgb's Couric expertise, though. The $15 Million Dollar Woman still influences millions of Americans daily (though her ratings are declining precipitously - LOL!) and she needs to be watched and cross-checked into the boards for the smallest reason.

117 posted on 05/26/2005 7:19:17 AM PDT by an amused spectator (If Social Security isn't broken, then cut me a check for the cash I have into it.)
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To: softwarecreator

I feel that you are moving the goal posts. When I wrote that I felt I had made the case that Couric is pro-choice, you asked "how?"

When a number of fellow FReepers went to the time and trouble of providing links to material demonstrating Couric's pro-choice position, you chose to ignore it.

Are you now willing to concede that there is strong evidence that Couric is pro-choice?

If so, do you not see the moral inconsistency in lamenting the possible mistreatment of an alligator while "celebrating" a woman's right to end the life of an unborn baby?


118 posted on 05/26/2005 7:22:27 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: Miss Behave
BTW: I am not defending Katie Curic OR the MSM OR leftists OR democrats.

I can NOT stand the MSM and that is why I no longer watch them.  It's ALL left wing propoganda and lies, we all know this.

But why does EVERY single freakin' story have to involve Terri Schiavo???

Can't there even be a story about a baby alligator without invoking the sacred name of TS???

119 posted on 05/26/2005 7:23:06 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: softwarecreator
What else should she have said during this ONE story to show affection for unborn fetuses?

What you're not seeing is this: How many of the other morning shows covered this, let alone with a tear in their eye about it?

I'm sure La Couric and Mattie exert some sort of editorial control over their newsreading - and determining what gets commented on or what gets passed over in silence is a great deal of what passes for "news" in this country.

glgb was right to call her on her Greenie BS.

120 posted on 05/26/2005 7:24:08 AM PDT by an amused spectator (If Social Security isn't broken, then cut me a check for the cash I have into it.)
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To: softwarecreator
"Don't know what GLGB does or doesn't do "

Maybe you could educate yourself on the *facts* of what Gov does.

121 posted on 05/26/2005 7:24:27 AM PDT by Miss Behave (Do androids dream of electric sheep?)
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To: softwarecreator
What am I not seeing?

What you are not seeing is any expression by Couric, in all her years at Today, of concern for the millions of babies who have been aborted pursuant to her beloved right "to choose."

122 posted on 05/26/2005 7:25:04 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: softwarecreator; All

*why does EVERY single freakin' story have to involve Terri Schiavo???*

If you would go back and have a look at my Today Show posts, you'd find that few if any of them have mentioned the Schiavo case since the time of her death. Here's a link to my blog that brings together most of my Today Show threads:


http://couricwatch.blogspot.com/


123 posted on 05/26/2005 7:27:45 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Here's a link to my blog that brings together most of my Today Show threads:

Thanks and I will review them, but please answer the question I asked a looooooong time ago .... what should she have DONE differently in this ONE story that would have made any difference to NOT show her political viewpoints about Terri and abortion?

124 posted on 05/26/2005 7:34:19 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: an amused spectator
How many of the other morning shows covered this, let alone with a tear in their eye about it?

I dunno ... I didn't watch this or any of the morning shows, never do.

125 posted on 05/26/2005 7:36:23 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: Miss Behave

He gave me a link ... thanks for your help.


126 posted on 05/26/2005 7:37:11 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
"The Shoe Model" looked like she raided her daughter's closet this a.m. Also, the perky factor is definitely showing signs of strain. Could it be that she is being edged out on that program? Ann Curry (another "empowered" bimbo) did an interview with teen-aged girls from TX who have made a film about teen pregnancy.

It was a totally Katie story, but I think NBC is telling her and the viewers that Katie's time is up.
127 posted on 05/26/2005 7:37:16 AM PDT by ishabibble
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To: softwarecreator

I wouldn't have asked her to do anything different in this story. But if she's going to express such exquisite concern for alligators, then somewhere in her years of broadcasting I would have expected her to express anything like the same concern for the victims of abortion.


128 posted on 05/26/2005 7:39:08 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: softwarecreator
what should she have DONE differently in this ONE story that would have made any difference to NOT show her political viewpoints about Terri and abortion?

She should have not done the story at all, like all the other morning shows prolly didn't.

It was a cheap cute puppy/fuzzy kitten story, done to show how "caring" and "empathetic" the affable Eva Braun is underneath her 3-pancake makeup.

After all, she's got to wash off the bloodstains from the knife that her producer got in the back... ;-)

129 posted on 05/26/2005 7:40:04 AM PDT by an amused spectator (If Social Security isn't broken, then cut me a check for the cash I have into it.)
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To: ishabibble
Okay, now I am confused ... If GLGB is watching 'today, so you don't have to' ... than WHY are you guys watching it?

Don't give them the ratings ... let them wither and die!

130 posted on 05/26/2005 7:40:24 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: an amused spectator
She should have not done the story at all, like all the other morning shows prolly didn't

Why?   Maybe people in Florida were interested.   I know I'd be interested.

After all, she's got to wash off the bloodstains from the knife that her producer got in the back... ;-)

LOL!

131 posted on 05/26/2005 7:42:52 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
I would have expected her to express anything like the same concern for the victims of abortion

Yeah, probably, I don't watch today and just barely know who Katie is.

Maybe because abortion is controversial and removing a baby alligator is not.

I guess I just don't understand what info you are drawing watching this piece of crap show.

132 posted on 05/26/2005 7:47:08 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: softwarecreator; governsleastgovernsbest
I dunno ... I didn't watch this or any of the morning shows, never do.

Millions of other Americans do. Some of us on FR have a self-appointed function of media watchdog to counter the propaganda presented to these unsuspecting viewers. glgb is a dedicated specialist, and he has nipped at the heels of the overpaid Botoxed Blonde B*tch from nBc for years.

It was just such a small posse of dedicated FR media watchers that brought "Blath Danner" low over at SeeBS. The Danner has been replaced by Schief "Purple Rage" Bobber, but hopefully we'll get the Bobber and his aging strumpet Gloria Borger one of these days, too. ;-)

133 posted on 05/26/2005 7:48:33 AM PDT by an amused spectator (If Social Security isn't broken, then cut me a check for the cash I have into it.)
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To: softwarecreator; governsleastgovernsbest
Okay, now I am confused ... If GLGB is watching 'today, so you don't have to' ... than WHY are you guys watching it?

glgb can't realistically report on the WHOLE show. He just does the [pretty much daily] summary. As you can see from my post #58, others add in their impressions and snippets from the morning shows. I believe that I caught Today putting a grim face on good news this morning (as has been reported by glgb MANY times in the past) and decided to post what I saw.

134 posted on 05/26/2005 7:53:21 AM PDT by an amused spectator (If Social Security isn't broken, then cut me a check for the cash I have into it.)
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To: an amused spectator
okay and a very worthwhile cause it is ... I am not sure how much info can be gleaned from 'Today', but I guess someone should hold ALL the leftist propagandists (sp?) accountable.

But honestly, saying that telling people not to watch these stupid shows means I should tell the CIA not to monitor terrorists wasn't a very good analogy, was it?

No offense GLGB  =)

135 posted on 05/26/2005 7:58:32 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: an amused spectator
others add in their impressions and snippets from the morning shows

HAHAHAHA ... you guys should form a tag-team

It's too bad you suffer thru this crap to begin with ... you have my sympathies.

136 posted on 05/26/2005 8:00:44 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: softwarecreator

I'm not backing off my analogy. No, I don't consider Katie Couric a threat to the USA in the same way I do Al Qaida. But I do think it's valid to say that in the same way it's worthwhile for our intelligence services to keep track of our military opponents, it makes sense for conservatives to keep track of liberal media opponents.

Do you disagree? You never responded to my question of whether, in the same way you advised me to stop watching and reporting on liberal bias at Today, you would advise MRC, Bernie Goldberg, Accuracy in Media and a host of others to desist from their efforts.


137 posted on 05/26/2005 8:04:14 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Do you disagree?

Yeah.  'Today' is an entertainment show.  People can turn it off and the country would be a much better place.  You can't say the same about monitoring terrorists.

You could not watch 'Today' for the next six months and the country would be fine.

This is not a good policy to apply toward terrorist monitoring.

138 posted on 05/26/2005 8:12:43 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: softwarecreator

Leaving aside my paltry efforts here at FR, you are seriously mistaken, IMHO, if you believe it's not worthwhile for the variety of conservative activists out there to keep track of what the liberal media is up to.

Moreover, the vast audience that has made "Bias" a best-seller and supports operations such as MRC indicate that many feel the information they provide is valuable.


139 posted on 05/26/2005 8:16:09 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: softwarecreator; governsleastgovernsbest
But honestly, saying that telling people not to watch these stupid shows means I should tell the CIA not to monitor terrorists wasn't a very good analogy, was it?

The seditious behavior of Today and its ilk is not the same as blowing up planes and buildings, I'll agree. But we have to remember that Uncle Walter @ SeeBS and his MSM pals turned the failed Tet Offensive into a victorious media coup for the North Vietnamese.

Can we as a country afford to have al-Katie Commie get away with boosting our current enemies while disguised as a harmless Greenie "save the whales, kittens and baby alligators" phony?

140 posted on 05/26/2005 8:21:52 AM PDT by an amused spectator (If Social Security isn't broken, then cut me a check for the cash I have into it.)
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To: softwarecreator
HAHAHAHA ... you guys should form a tag-team

I'm sure Dan Rather and Mary Mapes had a similar light-hearted attitude towards our paltry efforts here at FR - until their forged-documents ship ran hard aground on the uncharted reef of Buckhead of the Free Republic...

141 posted on 05/26/2005 8:26:04 AM PDT by an amused spectator (If Social Security isn't broken, then cut me a check for the cash I have into it.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
if you believe it's not worthwhile for the variety of conservative activists out there to keep track of what the liberal media is up to

No, I do agree.  I think that you are helping bring some of this crap into the light.

Guess I just didn't associate national security with a baby alligator story.   Obviously, there is NO way I could have known any of this from your original post.  Still, I am not sure that Katie's personal views on abortion OR Terri Schiavo means that she should not report on a family having a man-eating reptile removed from their swimming pool.

142 posted on 05/26/2005 8:32:09 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: an amused spectator
I'm sure Dan Rather and Mary Mapes had a similar light-hearted attitude towards our paltry efforts here at FR

I wasn't being flippant ... I think it's great that you guys are watching these people closely!!!

They've been getting away with lies for too long.

143 posted on 05/26/2005 8:33:41 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: softwarecreator

I had no problem with the story itself. In the very first line of my report, I described it as "just a throw-away line on a throw-away filler piece."

It's the lack of moral consistency that bothers me. If once, just once, in the course of her career, she had similarly shed a tear for the victims of abortion . . .


144 posted on 05/26/2005 8:36:34 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: an amused spectator
You may not believe this but I share your viewpoints on all of what you are saying about the MSM.  I've responded to many posts in the past stating this fact.

I may not feel that EVERY story needs to be examined, such as the gator thing, but I DO agree.

I absolutely LOATHE our American MSM and what they are doing, or trying to do.

Mostly I reponded to this story because I just get sick of everyone twisting ANY story into a Terri Schiavo or abortion debate.

145 posted on 05/26/2005 8:38:20 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: softwarecreator
"I wasn't being flippant ... I think it's great that you guys are watching these people closely!!! "

You're all over the place.

146 posted on 05/26/2005 8:40:25 AM PDT by Miss Behave (Do androids dream of electric sheep?)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
just a throw-away line on a throw-away filler piece

I don't think the family who had the man-eating reptile in their pool feel the same.  Escpecially if 'mama' decided to show up and decided to protect her baby.    =)

147 posted on 05/26/2005 8:42:03 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: Miss Behave
No I'm NOT ... where are you getting this from?

Read the posts from the beginning AND know what I am talking about before you respond ... okay?

148 posted on 05/26/2005 8:43:26 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: an amused spectator; softwarecreator

I'm going to hang it up for the time being on this thread. I think it's been constructive. Sofwarecreator wandered in, and on a certain level I can understand his view about Schiavo being invoked in apparently unrelated stories. He was unaware of the tradition of FR's Today Show threads.

Now that he understands what we're up to with these reports, I think he has acknowledged their value. I'm willing to leave it at that, with the hope that he will check out future threads.


149 posted on 05/26/2005 8:44:03 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Of course.  It was informative.  Thanks.
150 posted on 05/26/2005 8:45:24 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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