Skip to comments.Wal Mart's Exploitive Practices Attacked By Website
Posted on 05/26/2005 6:27:37 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
Because of Wal-Mart's inadequate wages and benefits, Wal-Mart employees are eligible for $2.5 billion in Federal assistance, which comes from your tax dollars.
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I agree with about everything you've said but I don't understand the math on that one.
I have no fear.
Not always. Our economy has changed with womens' lib.
Get over it.
I'll never get over seeing the working poor struggle and remember broken promises to sell only American-made goods.
If people are too freaking stupid to make a good living in the greatest country on earth with all the opportunities, then to hell with them.
Not everybody has your IQ. The hell with them? Remember Lazarus and the rich man? Better watch thy attitude.
And define "living wage". Two cars, cellphones, cable, computer, internet access, etc? Geez, I guess next you'll argue these are god-given rights.
A living wage does not include two cars. It should include one dependable car, money to pay for insurance, modest housing, adequate food, a night out once in awhile, internet access and computer, can get by without cellphone and cable tv. You can take classes on the internet to get a college degree, if they have your IQ.
Some decent people just don't have the intelligence to quaify for the better jobs, or they have handicaps you don't know about. That does not make them lesser beings and they deserve a minimum quality of life. Anyone with an IQ above 100 can make a good living. Most don't even try.
After conducting its own study, the Palm Beach Post reported that Wal-Mart has directly received at the minimum $150 million in direct incentives from municipal, county, state, and even federal governments to open 47 distribution centers in 32 states. The Palm-Beach Post reports that this figure is only a start--- and likely grows by tens of millions when less quantifiable breaks such as government bond financing and enterprise zones are taken into account (Palm Beach Post, 8/30/2003).
You're "alive". Cut back your frivolous spending 50% and send the extra cash to me... (sounds just as absurd as your "living wage")
Or they could just get other jobs.
Freedom cuts both ways.
Some welfare cheats, maybe. Some people who are good at garage sales, etc., can build up an inventory of fairly decent stuff and still be poor. A lot of these people are getting their clothes at second-hand stores and they don't wear $200 sneakers, etc.
See post #55. It has already been elaborated all it needs to be in that post.
I'm over exaggerating the people who go out and find all these sexual partners, have all these children we pay for and aren't even sure who these kids belong to.
Some actually tell 5 different men the kid is theirs and hope to get support from all of them.
There are some messed up people out there.
They want to believe the world owes them a wage and maid for some reason.
I think the reason is unions and watching TV.
That's because when they open a new store or distribution center they have 10 applicants for every job opening.
They must be doing something right.
As president of two corporations, I did not eschew the proud American economic platform of free enterprise.
Rather, I simply invoked wise words, written not by me.
Again, I restate the immutable truth. "There, but for the grace of God, go I."
"It should include one dependable car, money to pay for insurance, modest housing, adequate food, a night out once in awhile, internet access and computer"
If every employer were required to provide all of those things for everybody they employ... the unemployment rate in this country would be over 20%. You are sheltered and don't understaned economics.
Any extra I have goes to help family members a lot of you people are looking down on. And that is only in real jam situations. I learned a long time ago you don't solve a problem by throwing money at it.
"I learned a long time ago you don't solve a problem by throwing money at it."
And yet you want laws requiring other people to throw money at it.
In this region, WalMart pays better than most employers for basically unskilled labor.
My IQ may top out at 80...Hard work will get you ahead here in the USA...
Internet access is now a necessity ? bunk...
My question was serious. If the assistance is eliminated and the workers will not be able to subsist, are you saying that the wages will go up? Was it your point?
How this change would play out? Can you elaborate?
You've said a mouthful. and I totally agree.
"Internet access is now a necessity ?"
Exactly! You've just summed up the problem with the term "living wage". It's totally subjective and changes on an annual basis. I don't know what arbitrary wage these spoiled university brats would set as the minimum... but I guarantee you it would cause an unemployment rate of well over 15%
The employer should not provide anything but wages, benefits, annual picnics, and employee discounts.
People should be paid enough to buy and insure a dependable second-hand car and be able to find an honest car repair place that doesn't charge an arm and a leg.
I don't have a degree in economics but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see so many working poor exploited by their employers because there aren't any other jobs that pay any better.
You are the one who is sheltered. Go out an mingle with some of these folks you think don't deserve some of the things you no doubt have.
Keep it up. Time is on the side of the Democrats. The more working poor we have, the more they will vote Democrat.
"If you don't want to make Wal-Mart money, don't work there."
Have you ever read a balance sheet or a P and L?
I have not the words.
From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs. Did you know you are a socialist?
Isn't this fun!!!!!!!!!! And it's not even saturday yet!!!!
"People should be paid enough to buy and insure a dependable second-hand car and be able to find an honest car repair place that doesn't charge an arm and a leg."
Is that an economic argument or a list of pet peeves?
Cry me a river. Most people I went to school with didn't do the work, partied all the time, never cared to go to college, wanted the job they ended up in, popped out babies, etc.
There are no gurantees in life. Get over it. It doesn't take a high IQ or a great education to make a good living. But that doesn't mean you have the best, the nicest, the newest stuff. Anyone that thinks they SHOULD have it is a Marxist, pure and simple. They want to take from others because they can't do for themselves.
I came from a very poor family. I was in 8 different schools in two different states by the time I graduated from high school. My parents aren't the smartest on the block. I went to a state collge, the Univ of Arkansas, because I didn't get into the Air Force academy like I wanted.
Did I whine, cry, complain, demand fairness? No. I took classes, changed my major about five times and ended up with a useless degree in economics in 1982 when no one was hiring. We didn't have even one recruiter come to the business school.
The entire time I worked at minimum wage ($2.85 an hour) 40 hours a week or more (until overtime forced you into a larger FIT withholding bracket that left you with less take home pay than if you just worked 38 hours a week - thank you Ronald Reagan for indexing the brackets) and I still put a roof over my head, ate well enough (on campus cafeteria really good and I worked at food places), had a 1965 Pontiac I bought for $800 and still partied.
Was I flush with disposable income? No. Was I starving. Hell no. Was I expecting someone to give me what I haven't demonstrated I could earn? Not a chance. In every job I had I moved up because I did a fantastic job and bettered myself. I went from delivering pizza to assistant manager in weeks. I washed dishes at a steak house and in less than a year I was the head bartender making good money and lots of tips.
I started as a night auditor in a hotel and 20 years later I'm the Controller of a five star hotel making lots and lots of money with a staff of over 16 overall.
My wife never finished high school and runs the conversion department of the fourth largest payroll processing company in the country. And she makes more than I do.
At no time did we demand some "living wage" or some hand out or some government program or need some socialist jerk think I was getting exploited.
Here's some advice: drop the whiney "oh poor me" routine and just go out and do it for yourself.
"Have you ever read a balance sheet or a P and L?
I have not the words."
Weren't you accusing someone else of being arrogant earlier? What a joke!
I want people paid enough money to live on without the maid, cellphones, home theater, luxury car. They are not asking for those things.
Our capitalistic system used to provide a job for a male wage earner who could support his entire family on his wages. Even some highly educated people who worked hard to get through school are losing their jobs and can't find equivalent jobs. Some of them probably have to take jobs at places like Wal Mart as a stop-gap measure. If they can't get out of that pit within a few months to a year, they may never climb back up to anything close to what they once had, what most of you seem to have but don't want other people to be earn enough money to buy those things.
Locked in overnite -- wasn't that a movie? LOL what a joke!
Having a car is part of subsistance in most of USA, unless you have the public transportation near you. In most of the world car is not a necessity. Heating system is part of subsistance in Canada and Russia. You can do without it in Central America.
Used Microwave ovens and DVD players and VCR's and CD players you can get for pennies. Also in other countries. Cellphones can be cheaper that regular phones, that is why they are popular in poor countries.
Good post, thanks!
I am not a communist. We are all socialists whether we like it or not because it has been shoved down our throats. People used to be able to support themselves, and we didn't have food pantries.
"Our capitalistic system used to provide a job for a male wage earner who could support his entire family on his wages."
You have a very naive view of history. Many of the poor of today are wealthier than the Middle class of 50 years ago.
My point is basic economics: People will either look for a job elsewhere or ration their money in more productive ways. The existance of health insurance paid for by either companies or the government has done nothing but drive up the cost of health care.
Secondly, many of these jobs are held by either:
1. Senior citizens who are already elligible for other health programs (which is not the fault of walmart)
2. Teenagers who are covered under their parents health plans.
3. Married people who are covered under their spouses health care plans.
Everyone working at walmart has to support a family and provide health insurance? Well, that reality only exists in the mind of socialists and PBS specials (probably redundant)
This is nothing more than a canard to go against walmart. The people working jobs who are not covered by some kind of health care is much, much smaller than these liberal groups would have everyone believe. How can I be so sure? Because it's the same every damn time they do one of these phony 'studies' for health care or minimum wage. They act like some 17 year old kid mopping floors has to support a familiy and have his own health insurance when he's living at home and covered by his parent's insurance. It's complete and utter bull dung.
But as demonstrated on this thread, many freepers (the closet socialists) eat it up because it fits their agendas.
That is a lie.
..... use part-time employment to dodge having to pay benefits....
And some employees use the part-time employment to fit into their chosen lifestyle i.e. taking care of children or parents, lower stress, etc. Making choices!
"That is a lie."
It isn't. You fail to see that living standards have changed enormously. Your view of a "living wage" is totally subjective and arbitrary. Could you please inform me of what a "living wage" is? Then maybe I could start to list for you all of the companies that would go bankrupt and who's employees would henceforth be unemployed. Then they really would be poor!
Who is we?
Yeah, and the majority of the planet was under dictators, communists thugs or worse. Now most aren't.
Get used to the competition. Or are you too much of a weenie to compete? Oh wait, I bet you want all those Chinese, Indians, Eastern Europeans, etc. to stay in sqaulor under the jackboot of tyranny so you can make an extra buck an hour putting a grommit into a hole.
Ah, but they usually have a spouse or partner who works for a company who hasn't been driven overseas yet who supply the bulk of the family income.
If that were not so, they would be forced to choose whatever full-time work they can find and add another part-time job onto that to make ends meet.
I beg your pardon? Which post?
I've been reading your inane rants througout this point, so I'm going to ask you a question now that can sum all of this up. What is the living wage? What should businesses be required to pay as a minimum to anyone they employ? I want a number.
I have enjoyed your posts on this thread.
I also am sick of the whining. You get more if you try harder and improve yourself.
My mother was widowed in the Great Depression with small children. She went to school nights for secretarial skills,never fooled around with men,we did without (believe me,we did without),wore hand-me-downs,and we survived.
She ended up with a good job.I went to a state college as a day student and paid my own way, and we all ended up solid middle class.
Walmart would never have been her job of choice had they been around at that time,any more than Woolworth's or Kresge's was her choice.
That said,not for a moment am I criticising folks who work at Walmart. If they are happy there,that's fine with me,but don't ask me to subsidise them.
You said we are all socialists and I asked who the we in your statement was.
Bully for you. I'm not whining for myself. I'm whining for people who would never darken the doors of a website such as this and who are really struggling to do what you did. Money went further then than it does now. One emergency room visit because you don't have a regular doctor can set you back months.
The employer should not provide anything but an agreed upon wage for agreed upon labor........period. Anything else is up to the employer todecide if they choose to provide it.
Why is it that everyone expects their employer to provide them with "benefits"?
Freemarketeers see the society as a loose aggregation of individuals who pursue the individual gain. They see other people as a commodity. A nation, a family, a local community is seen by them as the superstitions of people less clever than them or at best as the tools to protect their assets.
In a sense they are similiar to the militant homosexuals who call people with normal families "the breeders".
Freemarketeers make socialism look good.
That was a generation of work and this is a generation of serve me, I don't want to work IMO.
There is of course some good old fashioned hard workers as well, many at WalMart I am sure, but these darn Unions are dying out and are trying to do anything to stay solvent and influential.
Bottom line is we don't need the unions in their current form any more.
"The employer should not provide anything but an agreed upon wage for agreed upon labor"
Exactly. What kind of fantasy world is this guy living in? In this fantasy world everybody flipping burgers can afford a house with a white picket fence, a car, company picnics, and a cheap and honest auto mechanic. What he hasn't told is us what exactly is the living wage in this fantasy world? Why can't he give us a number?