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Wal Mart's Exploitive Practices Attacked By Website
Wake Up Wal-Mart ^

Posted on 05/26/2005 6:27:37 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued

Because of Wal-Mart's inadequate wages and benefits, Wal-Mart employees are eligible for $2.5 billion in Federal assistance, which comes from your tax dollars.

(Excerpt) Read more at wakeupwalmart.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: dujerks; gowalmart; ihateamerika; marxistidiots; nutjobs; populistmorons; rejoiceinwalmart; socialistcons; wallyhaters; walmart; walmartsucks; youshoptheretoo
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To: Fledermaus
I feel like I am watching a Lion take down a Zebra on the Discovery Channel. lol

PS. You're the Lion.
251 posted on 05/26/2005 8:54:19 PM PDT by TheForceOfOne (My tagline is currently being blocked by Congressional filibuster for being to harsh.)
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To: Modok

"How much money does it take to hold one's head up? I think the amount is $60 an hour."

LOL... this kid just isn't getting the point. He stops thinking as soon as he sees that he's lost.


252 posted on 05/26/2005 8:55:09 PM PDT by Betaille (Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries)
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To: Aliska

Bolshie


253 posted on 05/26/2005 8:56:12 PM PDT by Chef Dajuan (Its a pork fat thing!)
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To: Nowhere Man

Your #226. You get it. I would like to see more of a model like that and hope it's not too late to make something like that work for us. Otherwise, all the the very elite are going down the tubes with everyone else.


254 posted on 05/26/2005 8:56:23 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: A. Pole; Aliska

Since neither of you could answer... I'll repeat my question.

Why is a $100 minimum wage not logical?
Answer: Because everybody who makes less then $100 would simply become unemployed and many of the businesses that use such employees would shut down.

Now stay with me here...
Why is a $17 minimum wage not logical?
Answer: (fill in this space)


255 posted on 05/26/2005 8:57:58 PM PDT by Betaille (Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries)
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To: MARTIAL MONK
I think that your employer should pay you what you are worth.

A person's true worth cannot be measured by his paycheck.

256 posted on 05/26/2005 8:58:31 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Nowhere Man; Darksheare; MeekOneGOP
I might get into trouble with this but I see myself as a social, moral and military conservative but an economic centrist. I think Just Third Way (website - Center of Economic and Social Justice) has a lot of good points to offer where it would open up more paths to ownership for the average working person. We have gone beyond the paradigms of pure socialism/communism and pure capitalism, we need to accept that and think outside the box. In short, concentration of political and/or economic power in too few hands is not good. In short, we need some form of "Capitalism with a human face."

Hey fellas, I may be losing it, but I swear I remember hearing something about the "Third Way" back in the nineties.

You guys remember anything about that?

257 posted on 05/26/2005 9:00:04 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: Aliska
I buy my own medical insurance, and it is expensive.

So do millions of us. I did it for years, as did my husband. Even though he now works for a company that pays part of it, it is still expensive and we wouldn't have the particular plan we have, except we have a child.

If medical costs weren't so sky high, I would try to pay as I go.

And who's fault is it that it is so sky-high? It sure is not WalMart's fault, or the fault of other employers.

Outrageous lawsuit claims have caused the problem, not the employers. Go after the real culprits for these problems - trial lawyers and legislators that refuse to do anything in the realm of tort-reform. And the first step to that is a loser-pay system.

It's up to the employer to treat their employees fairly, starting with paying them enough money to live on or they are nothing more than exploiters....

What are you talking about? No one is forced to work for a wage they are not happy with. And what consititutes "paying them enough money to live on"? That is an arbitrary number depending upon how one chooses to live, including where one chooses to live and what one chooses to do for a living.

258 posted on 05/26/2005 9:01:01 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: stands2reason

Yes it was the love child of Blair and Clinton.


259 posted on 05/26/2005 9:01:22 PM PDT by Modok
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To: Aliska

Lemme guess, you read "The Communist Manifesto".

You're an anti-business, anti-capitalist, Bolshevik.

And I have questions about your conservatism.


260 posted on 05/26/2005 9:01:40 PM PDT by Chef Dajuan (Its a pork fat thing!)
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To: Betaille

They don't understand free markets. They hate them. They are marxist. If the minimum, or living, wage was $100 an hour they just can't understand the cost of that wage would go up to the point a box of ceral would be $12.

It's like listening to an old fart talk about "when I was little a loaf of bread only cost a nickel" and ignoring they only made 12 cents an hour.

The bottom line is they have absolutely no economic sense and wouldn't understand it if their lives depended on it.

Because for them it's emotional. They never, and I mean NEVER, look at the circumstances upon which they base their lousy assumption on. They totally ignore the individual in all cases and think all of their arguments are valid if they are universal proving they are communists.

Thus, every single person in their feeble mind making $8 an hour is some poor slob trying to raise a family of four with no health insurance and eating dog food. Facts mean nothing. Reality means nothing. They strive on platitudes and generalities to justify their mindset that life is just unfair. Wow...who knew?

So they drag there sorry butts to work at a job they hate that pays what they think is crap and get jealous and envious of someone next to them in a better car. Why aren't they driving a nice Lexus? Why aren't they eating lunch in a real restaurant instead of Taco Bell? It can't be them. They are so smart, so intelligent, so misunderstood.

Oh, it must be the evil capitalism and the unfair advantage that other person MUST have gotten in life. And to justify their pitiful delusions they pretend to trumpet the perceived downtrodden of poor Wal-Mart workers that are taken from their homes and forced to stock shelves with reasonably priced items people want to buy.

The Horror...the horror!


261 posted on 05/26/2005 9:03:08 PM PDT by Fledermaus (The New 7 RINO Dwarfs: Cowardly, Cranky, Dopey, Goofy, Mealy, Sorry and Wussy)
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To: TheForceOfOne

ROAR


262 posted on 05/26/2005 9:03:44 PM PDT by Fledermaus (The New 7 RINO Dwarfs: Cowardly, Cranky, Dopey, Goofy, Mealy, Sorry and Wussy)
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To: Aliska

"It's up to the employer to treat their employees fairly, starting with paying them enough money to live on or they are nothing more than exploiters"

Businesses operate in order to make money... not to provide livelihoods for their fellow citizens.


263 posted on 05/26/2005 9:04:09 PM PDT by Betaille (Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries)
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To: stands2reason

It was a fascist plan by Bill Clinton and Tony Blair, just with a new name.


264 posted on 05/26/2005 9:04:22 PM PDT by scott7278 (Before I give you the benefit of my reply, I'd like to know what we're talking about.)
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To: Fledermaus
In debate class this was called "losing"

This is not debate class, and I'm tired and not going to look it up. If that makes me a loser, I'm afraid of what that makes you.

Your ad hominen insult to A. Pole was noted.

265 posted on 05/26/2005 9:04:35 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Rodney King

A previous post of his has him clamoring for more "conservative Republican" senators.

(cue Twilight Zone theme)


266 posted on 05/26/2005 9:04:59 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: A. Pole
Freemarketeers see the society as a loose aggregation of individuals who pursue the individual gain. They see other people as a commodity. A nation, a family, a local community is seen by them as the superstitions of people less clever than them or at best as the tools to protect their assets.

In a sense they are similiar to the militant homosexuals who call people with normal families "the breeders".


Ya, I know, I see it the same way. Again, I might go out on a limb here and get whacked, but as we all know, the Democrats have their own problem with the "barking moonbats," well we have our own counter problem with the "Randroids." Trouble is that on our side, they leave a lot of people out such as poor Republicans, social conservatives, moderate conservatives, etc, people that generally share our views, might not agree on everything but still when you shunt these people aside, they will look for other avenues. I have to say I'm becoming one of them. If they keep telling people to "go jump in the lake," well they have made enemies. As the old Guiness Stout commercial says, "Brilliant!!!!" B-P

Freemarketeers make socialism look good.

Well, when you turn people away who could be your allies, and they have no where to go and they need to survive, well, as the saying goes, "any port in the storm." I know it was like that in Russia and that's how Bolshevism appealed to many. I know some of my relatives who stayed in Russia become Bolsheviks, some of them were in the Bolshevik Revolution, one rose to some influence in the Red Army although I'm looking for info on that one. The smart ones left and I'm here because of it but we can lose it all.

People are to be valued, not as some cogs in a socialist/communist machine or cogs in an uber capitalist, Galt's Gulch. I keep thinking of Pink Floyd's song, "The Machine." B-) I have realized that most people have value and can contribute once they are given a helping hand and a nudge from time to time. When people are seen as cogs, they resent it and later lash out or curl up, that is not good. To God and Jesus we are all somebody.
267 posted on 05/26/2005 9:05:42 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian, Michael Savage in '08! - DeCAFTA-nate CAFTA!)
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To: Modok
How much money does it take to hold one's head up? I think the amount is $60 an hour.

It's more than that for the high and mighty who have bunches of letters after their names. Nothing is too good for them.

268 posted on 05/26/2005 9:05:51 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Aliska

I'm no socialist, you sanctimonious commie.

I think people who don't or won't work deserve to starve.

Get over it.

And keep yopur state and hands outta MY wallet.

I'll shop at Wally's all I want, just to tick you people off.


269 posted on 05/26/2005 9:07:29 PM PDT by Chef Dajuan (Its a pork fat thing!)
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To: Aliska

I'm going to keep asking until you answer Aliska:

Why is a $100 minimum wage not logical?
Answer: Because everybody who makes less then $100 would simply become unemployed and many of the businesses that use such employees would shut down.

Now stay with me here...
Why is a $17 minimum wage not logical?
Answer: (fill in this space)


270 posted on 05/26/2005 9:07:31 PM PDT by Betaille (Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries)
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To: Aliska

Then what is enough for the low and weak if it is not $60?


271 posted on 05/26/2005 9:08:31 PM PDT by Modok
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To: Chef Dajuan
Bolshie

Another ad hominem. And even snots like you couldn't drive me that far.

272 posted on 05/26/2005 9:08:58 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Hilltop

I don't know how I'm going to pay my bills and eat this month, and even I think you're FOS.


273 posted on 05/26/2005 9:09:29 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: Gabz
What are you talking about? No one is forced to work for a wage they are not happy with.

Oh yes they are if they want to stay alive in this country.

274 posted on 05/26/2005 9:10:30 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Fledermaus

"Why aren't they driving a nice Lexus? Why aren't they eating lunch in a real restaurant instead of Taco Bell? It can't be them. They are so smart, so intelligent, so misunderstood."

My experience is that it's usually people who grew up wealthy, were sent to private liberal arts colleges, and then made nothing of themselves who are usually the most bitter about capitalism.


275 posted on 05/26/2005 9:10:40 PM PDT by Betaille (Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries)
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To: Aliska

Then they shoulda paid attention in school and learned something and some skills, shouldn't they?

I have no sympathy for them.

You're a commie, and I smell a DU plant.


276 posted on 05/26/2005 9:10:53 PM PDT by Chef Dajuan (Its a pork fat thing!)
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To: Aliska
Sixteen dollars an hour is about right for a living wage today in our country unless you have something going on the side.

You don't say on your profile page where you are located - but it is obviously in a densely populated urban area. My husband makes a good deal less than $16 an hour, yet we are a comfortable family of 3, with a mortgage and car payment, we eat well, get to go out, take a vacation, and do lots of things on only his income.

Your idea of a "living wage" is purely subjective.

277 posted on 05/26/2005 9:12:16 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Aliska

"Oh yes they are if they want to stay alive in this country."
But then doesn't that mean that they ARE being paid a LIVING wage??


278 posted on 05/26/2005 9:13:18 PM PDT by Betaille (Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries)
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To: Aliska

I got news for ya.

Religion and economics DON'T mix.

You're as dense as thoise morons pushing Distributism here the other day because some monk was for it.

And you mixing Marxism with scripture is blasphemy.


279 posted on 05/26/2005 9:13:18 PM PDT by Chef Dajuan (Its a pork fat thing!)
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To: Clintonfatigued; Dog Gone

Nationwide, millions of waitresses are eligible for government assistance because we only tip an average of 15% of the check. If only we would all tip 40%, they could all afford nice homes and cars. We are all guilty of being little evil Wal-Marts.


280 posted on 05/26/2005 9:13:22 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: WideGlide

BZZZZZT!!!!!

You lose.

And you are a socialist, not a conservative.
Look it up.


281 posted on 05/26/2005 9:14:04 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: Adiemus
All the Wal Mart whiners and bashers need to LEARN a little about the company before condemning it.

That, my FRiend, is about all that needs to be said.

The Walmart bashers have overtaken the IBM and Microsoft whiners and bashers.

282 posted on 05/26/2005 9:14:35 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Aliska

A. Pole is the queen of ad hominen attacks.

And sorry, this is a debate class...we are debating. And you can't do it well. Your arguments are nothing but emotional swill that disregards all reality in favor of your perceived notions, class rhetoric and simple hatred for the fact you yourself are not making tons of money because you think you, for some reason, are worth more than someone is willing to pay. And since you can't improve your life on your own you'll spend the rest of it tearing others down to make yourself feel better.

You remind me of Russians wishing the Communist party was back in power.


283 posted on 05/26/2005 9:15:09 PM PDT by Fledermaus (The New 7 RINO Dwarfs: Cowardly, Cranky, Dopey, Goofy, Mealy, Sorry and Wussy)
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To: A. Pole

Safety nets are unconstitutional.


284 posted on 05/26/2005 9:16:07 PM PDT by Chef Dajuan (Its a pork fat thing!)
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To: dynachrome

No dammit! Ignorance should be coddled! Mediocrity rewarded!
No one should ever ever be uncomfortable for one minute!


285 posted on 05/26/2005 9:16:19 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: Aliska
And even snots like you couldn't drive me that far.

A lie wrapped around an ad hominem. Amazing.

286 posted on 05/26/2005 9:16:43 PM PDT by Fledermaus (The New 7 RINO Dwarfs: Cowardly, Cranky, Dopey, Goofy, Mealy, Sorry and Wussy)
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To: Aliska; A. Pole
So instead we will have more dysfunctional people like the guy here who stalked his girlfriend who had his kid from her job at the mall, rammed her car, the police saw it, chased him, he wrecked his car, took off, police went after him, he knocked the policeman unconscious, commandeered the squad car, got his gun, found himself cornered and shot himself.

Why is this relevant? Poor-paying jobs and related societal pressures caused by a breakdown in morality and exploitative business practices are putting people over the edge. Don't forget these are not nine to five people who can go home and relax. They have to work all kinds of crazy hours, and it throws their biological clocks off.


I think that's a huge source of this wackiness in society. As the Bible says, we "reap what we sow."
287 posted on 05/26/2005 9:16:54 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian, Michael Savage in '08! - DeCAFTA-nate CAFTA!)
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To: bfree

Where's the freaking ZOT already?


288 posted on 05/26/2005 9:17:06 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: Betaille

I hear that.


289 posted on 05/26/2005 9:17:15 PM PDT by Fledermaus (The New 7 RINO Dwarfs: Cowardly, Cranky, Dopey, Goofy, Mealy, Sorry and Wussy)
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To: Aliska

Why can't you answer this simple question Aliska?:

Why is a $100 minimum wage not logical?
Answer: Because everybody who makes less then $100 would simply become unemployed and many of the businesses that use such employees would shut down.

Now stay with me here...
Why is a $17 minimum wage not logical?
Answer: (fill in this space)


290 posted on 05/26/2005 9:17:35 PM PDT by Betaille (Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries)
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To: Larry Lucido

ROFL!


291 posted on 05/26/2005 9:18:01 PM PDT by Fledermaus (The New 7 RINO Dwarfs: Cowardly, Cranky, Dopey, Goofy, Mealy, Sorry and Wussy)
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To: Betaille

I'm way bhind on this thread - I really should have gone to bed ages ago - but I'm having too much fun!!!!


292 posted on 05/26/2005 9:18:20 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Gabz

"I really should have gone to bed ages ago - but I'm having too much fun!!!!"

I know... same here! It's like when you've totally outmatched someone in chess and you get to keep chasing his King around with your Rooks, Bishops, and Queen.


293 posted on 05/26/2005 9:20:00 PM PDT by Betaille (Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries)
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To: Chef Dajuan
Lemme guess, you read "The Communist Manifesto".

Wrong. That would be a good one to experiment with flushing down my toilet. Enough flushes and it would start disintegrating and might stop up the thing and I'd have to call Roto Rooter. They probably make a living wage. I ain't that stupid. I have to make use of their services from time to time, but I do everything in my power to keep costs down, unlike some companies who like to send their best employees on free cruises and write it off as a business expense. I can't write off Roto Rooter.

You're an anti-business, anti-capitalist, Bolshevik.

Wrong. I love mom 'n pop capitalism which has all but disappeared, a few big companies like Alcoa who are truly a benefit to the community even though they are unionized, and entrepreneurialships who don't have a whole fleet of company cars. That's my kind of capitalism. And I have questions about your conservatism.

Good. Only a good Bolshevik or Nazi goose steps to the party line. I think for myself and have eyes to see what is happening to ordinary people all around me from all walks of life.

And I have questions about your character. You sound like a p***k.

294 posted on 05/26/2005 9:20:58 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Betaille

Oh come on Betaille, have some compassion. It's "tired". It's so deflating when you argue socialism, communism and marxism that we must stop and let it be. Because "we just don't understand" how "hard it is for us poor, hard working people".

Why they don't cancel their $25 a month internet connection, sell their computers and buy food escapes me!


295 posted on 05/26/2005 9:21:05 PM PDT by Fledermaus (The New 7 RINO Dwarfs: Cowardly, Cranky, Dopey, Goofy, Mealy, Sorry and Wussy)
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To: Aliska

You keep talking trash to everybody but you still haven't answered this simple question:

Why is a $100 minimum wage not logical?
Answer: Because everybody who makes less then $100 would simply become unemployed and many of the businesses that use such employees would shut down.

Now stay with me here...
Why is a $17 minimum wage not logical?
Answer: (fill in this space)



296 posted on 05/26/2005 9:22:39 PM PDT by Betaille (Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries)
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To: Fledermaus

"we just don't understand" how "hard it is for us poor, hard working people".

I don't think they are poor, hard working people. I think theyre brainwashed university leftists who don't understand that everything mommy and daddy bought for them had to come from somewhere.


297 posted on 05/26/2005 9:24:00 PM PDT by Betaille (Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries)
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To: A. Pole
Freemarketeers make socialism look good.

Truer words have never been spoke, Mr. Chirac.

298 posted on 05/26/2005 9:24:06 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Fledermaus

Don't get me started on the poor pay of our lawn care folks.

There have been other threads about evil corporations who lay off unneeded workers. My take has been that, if the corporations are obligated to retain unneeded employees, then every us is likewise morally obligated to hire at least one unneeded employee each.


299 posted on 05/26/2005 9:24:51 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: A. Pole

"living wage" is a cooked up expresison---cooked up by the left wing and swallowed by you apparently. It makes absolutely no sense in economic terms.


300 posted on 05/26/2005 9:26:49 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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