Skip to comments.Wal Mart's Exploitive Practices Attacked By Website
Posted on 05/26/2005 6:27:37 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
Because of Wal-Mart's inadequate wages and benefits, Wal-Mart employees are eligible for $2.5 billion in Federal assistance, which comes from your tax dollars.
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You mean the mom 'n' pop capitalism (oh please, can the left finally kill the mom and pop crap?) that in most small towns were the RICHEST folks around and owned the grocery and other stores like Western Auto, Sears catalouge store, etc. that had a HUGE markup on everything?
Again, my life experience trumps your BS crap you got indoctrinated with. I worked in the biggest grocery store in a 3,800 town in high school. We had HUGE markups on things like toiletries, beef, etc. Wal-Mart came in around 1975. Did we go out of business? HECK NO!
We thrived. Competition does that. Did our markup go down. Yes. Thus we didn't get $2 for toothpaste anymore when it really cost $1. Besides, we only got that when people didn't buy it 35 miles away in a much bigger city, Ft. Smith, AR, where they had more stores like K-Mart.
I find it funny none of this crap you peddle was around then K-Mart ruled the world with their "low prices".
I go back to that little town in Arkansas sometimes that now has 5,000 people and their is the same Wal-Mart, the same grocery I worked at, the same stores that were there in 1975 PLUS a Sonic, a Taco-Tico, a KFC/Taco Bell, a Pizza Hut, etc. Not one....NOT ONE of the businesses I grew up with are gone. Even the little old drug store on the corner of Main and Third street.
You're kidding me? Of course they don't give a rat's ass about their employees, but pretend they do when they send them off to AA meetings because it's discrimination if they do what they probably would like to do, fire them.
I still maintain it is immoral not to pay a living wage. Satisfied employees work better and are less likely to steal from their employers.
Wal Mart has that all figured out though. They watch their employees like a hawk. Don't think they don't. I think they have bought off Paul Harvey. But it used to be that way when I worked for a department store. You could only go out one door and have all your packages checked. Meanwhile, government employees furnish home offices with staplers, paper, pens, pencils, you name it, from the supply room. My boss was a bad example. Fortunately, my conscience kicked in, but not before I helped myself to a couple of pens.
I made the amazing discovery when I worked for a company that I could ask if it would be all right to take home some used desk folders and was given permission. I felt a lot better about myself than if I had sneaked them out the door. And I wasn't paid all that well.
I know. I forgot to add /sarcasm after my post! lol
Actually jobs like Walmart would only support an individual, most likely living at home with their elderly parents or shaking in an apartment with others. It may support a one job couple, but they would be at poverty level, unless they were retired on pensions. I honestly don't know how anyone in todays world could live on 300 bucks a week.
Hey, I can only call 'em as I see 'em.
I see any socialist idea as a threat to MY dream of success. I take threats like that personally.
And no, I ain't always nice about it.
You're a nanny stater. That means you're basically wanting someone to dictate crap like this to business.
The state has NO PLACE in business, period. I want laissez-faire law of the jungle capitalism, like the kind that built this great nation.
Before you socialists started with Wilson's illegal income tax and Federal Reserve, then that Communist traitor Roosevelt made it institutional with his Trotskyite New Deal.
People like YOKU are enablers to the destruction of our nation. All because you use your hearts instead of your brains.
You're using a typical LIBERAL gambit of using emotion-based arguments.
Read Hayek and mises, then come back. Until then, take your Marxism and sit on it.
When exactly did you go insane?
Who hurt you so bad you live this life of unmitigated anger? Are you John Kerry?
"Companies like Wal-Mart give free enterprise and capitalism a bad name"
Not so! Companies like Walmart prove that capitalism has no equal in improving people's lives... Just think where Sam Walton was before he started up his little store.
It sounds like you and your union mobster comrades can't stand the thought of people willing to work there and the rest of us free to shop there. A little class envy perhaps?
And it steals pens.
And it thinks every business is big brother that checks packages.
I'm starting to think this total sicko is living in the Ukraine or is definately from some kind of Russian decendants.
Because it's a stupid question. I wasn't the one who said it was not logical. I was the one who said wages are tied to the cost of living. We aren't there yet in most parts of the country.
That's funny. Is Lee Iacocca unemployed? Are psychiatrists unemployed? Are lawyers unemployed? Are car wash owners unemployed? Are resort and fantasy land ceo's unemployed?
Don't be ridiculous.
I smell class envy now.
You know when you be smokin' dat KILL, you're supposed to share......so don't BOGART
"I wasn't the one who said it was not logical."
So you think a $100 minimum wage is logical?
"That's funny. Is Lee Iacocca unemployed? Are psychiatrists unemployed? Are lawyers unemployed? Are car wash owners unemployed? Are resort and fantasy land ceo's unemployed?"
What are you talking about? Your posts aren't even coherent anymore.
I can not believe your horrendous elitism........no wonder you are in favor of the "living wage" premise.
Let me tell you something. I was born, raised, and educated in NYC, I worked on Wall Street, in Greenwich Village, and on Park Avenue and one of the happiest days of my life was when I got a job that allowed me to move out of there.........and that was nearly 23 years ago.
Tell me that when it's time to collect your social security. Tell me that if you lose your job and are hungry.
I think people who don't or won't work deserve to starve
Well, Paul said something like that, too. But he was a capitalist. He made and sold tents.
Get over it.
And keep yopur state and hands outta MY wallet.
I don't want anything out of your stinking wallet.
I'll shop at Wally's all I want, just to tick you people off.
Only as long as you have a job and money in that stinking wallet.
You don't piss me off. All my family members shop there. The rich ones and the poor ones. Be sure to give the greeters a warm smile and treat them nice, unlike the way you are talking to me like I am some kind of low life because I happen to care about people who have to work in that living prison with the fluorescent lights with only daylight coming from the front doors that open electronically so people can get in and spend their money faster. I'll bet you whisk right by them on your way to stuff your cart with stuff that will end up in a garage sale or the city landfill in a few years.
Now you are really being funny.
You aren't answering because once you follow it's logic, you must acknowledge that you are wrong. I ask you one more time:
Why is a $100 minimum wage not logical?
Answer: Because everybody who makes less then $100 would simply become unemployed and many of the businesses that use such employees would shut down.
Now stay with me here...
Why is a $17 minimum wage not logical?
Answer: (fill in this space)
We'll see how that plays on judgement day if there ever is one. Until then it up for grabs according to Darwinism, the strong devour the weak.
Yes they are.
So, if wages go up, what happens to the cost of living??
Take it to the religion board.
We're talking Wal-Mart, not salvation.
Yes I have.
<p.Meanwhile, if you don't want to work at Wal-Mart, dont' work there.
You live a very sheltered life, don't you? I was speaking specifically to the region I live in - and I clearly stated that.
10 applicants for every position open, you say? That's because ten better paying jobs have been lost by local companies who have been forced to close their doors or move south of the border.
Why have those local companies been forced to close their doors or move south of the border? Please look in the mirror while you are rereading your posts on this thread - you will get a better picture of the problem.
Remember Bill Clinton? That's his deal -- "The Third Way".
Now you are getting really down and dirty. You get my creep of the year award.
Who hurt you so bad you live this life of unmitigated anger? Are you John Kerry?
Somebody close and personal. I'm mostly over my anger, but when a bunch of insensitive people who only care about themselves and their lives and the hell with all the losers out there.
No, if I were John Kerry, I'd be signing my 180. I'd publish my employment records but they probably burned in a fire or somebody flushed them down a toilet.
You people can get really ugly when somebody refuses to follow the party line around here.
What a shame that I have to agree with you on that.
Everything you have posted tonight just proves that anyone with the 'get-up-and-go' can make it, regardless of how they start out. And it also goes for people that decide they like their job at Walmart.
No, you started ugly with your "down with capitalism" tour and your ridiculous generalizations based only on your pitiful life.
Thus you project your hatred, your insecurities, and your bitterness on everyone and everything else.
Just go back and read the ridiculous statements you've posted like because there are 10 people applying for one job somewhere means 10 jobs were lost due to evil capitalism.
Anyone that thinks like that is basically insane since you see your outcome regardless of input. You just can't get over something and thus regard everything in terms of that loss or hurt or anger.
Frankly, you need professional help. I think psychology is bogus but it actually might do you some good. Or was I thinking chiropractor?
I have no problem with you not "towing the line", as I myself am often at odds with posts on FR. My problem with you is that you refuse to address the illogic of your statements and bury your head as soon as you're presented with proof that you are wrong.
I live in the midwest and am the daughter of a civil engineer who served his country in WWII. It must be my mutt pedigree. Scots Irish, English, a little German thrown in for bad measure. Capitalist to the bones. It's in my blood. I defend it to my dem acquaintances and relatives. But I don't defend people getting s*** on who have to drag out in the cold so you (and I) can have our Big Breakfast in the morning. It's probably Starbucks for the likes of you. I love their Java Chip ice cream but have yet to walk in one of their places.
Capitalism has run amok in this country, and people are being badly hurt. If worrying about what is probably becoming of this country makes me a sicko, I don't know what that makes you.
And I'm not so insane as to think every business checks packages. Some don't want to pay an extra employee to do that or just don't give a s*** who steals what because when the inventory comes up short, it gets written off on the credit side of the balance sheet and everybody is happy except the people who can't make ends meet and even though they work as many hours as you do, maybe more, get threatened to have their electricity and phone shut off on a regular basis. Some of them don't have phones.
Actually, Sears was becoming a dinosaur until it looked at itself and did a complete makeover. Now they are VERY dynamic and growing. Third largest retailer now, with the merger with K-Mart; fifth prior to that...
If I'd realized you were a girl I would have been easier on you (guys tend to get nastier about politics). That said though, I don't see how you can acknowledge that a $100 an hour minimum wage would hurt those it's supposed to help, but not acknowledge the exact same scenario for a $17 hour minimum wage.
You're very compassionate, but aren't thinking logically.
I certainly did not during my working years. Now I do, yes, but I know what it is like out there because I see what my grown grandchildren are facing almost every day.
When I was 17 and a senior in high school my mom was babysitting for a couple. He was the western Arkansas regional manager for Wal-Mart that also included Louisiana.
I was working on getting into the the Air Force Academy (you have to get a Congressional appointment and it's not easy) and evenutally got an appointment to the Naval Academy. I didn't get in.
So I shifted to my second choice of going to the University of Arkansas. Tuition back then was $235 a semester. One day the father came to pick up his kids and he and I were talking. He said to me, "forget the U of A, come work for me and I'll train you and I promise in a few years you'll be doing well. Wal-Mart is growing big".
Well, my mom wouldn't accept that because I was the first one in the entire family in history to go to an actual college. Had I not went and took him up on his offer I'm sure I'd be incredibly rich today. He went on to the upper executive levels of the company. He and his wife and now grown with kids daughters are still very good friends to this day.
But we make choices. I've made a lot of bonehead ones along the way. I've quit jobs others that are whining on this thread would die for on simple principle. Did I suffer sometimes. Sure. I've been up and down over my 45 young years.
But I never asked for a handout, never whined about the evils of the system (oh, I could complain about the inequities of those treated differently that weren't up to my level, but that's one reason I left those jobs) or demanded some kind of compensation from others earnings.
The thing that really, really pisses me off is that these whiners actually think they are in some kind of unique circumstance and everyone else has it made only based on where they are now, what they do, or how much they make.
None of this is carved in stone. They totally ignore the individual and their standing. Not everyone making $8 is suffering. Not everyone making $20 is sitting on easy street. Hell, listen to the union idiots. They make $25-40 an hour making cars in Detroit and after 25 years have nothing to show for it and then demand help if a factory closes.
This is the mindset of the left and the peasant mentality brought over here from the old European countries that even today are trying to escape. It's the mindset to a point the left even write it into their scripts. Take the first Spiderman movie. Uncle Ben is portrayed as a poor slob that was the CHIEF ELECTRICIAN at a manufacturing plant for 30 YEARS but never paid off his mortgage or had one dime in savings.
Now, what mentality thinks like this? How could an electrician even in the day it was a vocation and not a required degreed job not get paid enough to at least pay off a mortgage on a home bought originally in the 1950's? It's impossible unless he was horribly bad at finances or drank or gambled, etc.
Yet it's there in our "pop culture". And here we still see it amongst people with computers whining about making ends meet.
You sometimes just have to shake your head. Or laugh. I can't decide.
I knew it....ex slave of the Soviets.
I hate coffee.
YOU: Oh yes they are if they want to stay alive in this country.
I ask again, what are you talking about? You apparently missed the operative word "FORCED" in my comment.
If you don't like the wage offered by an employer find another one........or take that job and get a second one that will allow you your arbitrary "living wage."
It is apparent that you have never been on the side of the desk that makes wage decisions or signs the checks.
I don't want to talk to any of you any more tonight as I have to go to bed. Don't do me any favors by going easy on me. I know when I'm licked. The whole place practically ganged up on me and called me things I wouldn't even call a Democrat. I've taken a real beating on this one, but will fight on another day because some of my loved ones are trapped in situations I can't get them out of. Those are my dearest ones you are looking down your imperious noses at.
When did I look down on any of them? I'm protecting them from misguided do-gooders who would have them unemployed.
You've got that right.
I have a bad habit of reading all the posts as I'm going through a thread and so it takes me a bit longer..........and of course thedogs wanted out, and the one wanted to be fed...........so I get behind. LOL!!! I know TMI!
You just don't get it do you? People make bad choices. But you want those choices paid by others. If you can't pay for your phone, then why should I care?
Capitalism run amok? Hell, I hope so! It keeps people employed.
And I have some really bad news for you...the people that own my hotel are dye-in-the-wool liberal Democrat idiots also.
But they sure don't mind making millions off tobacco, insurance, oil and gas pipelines, and other of those "evil" businesses. I laugh at their hypocrisy.
But at least we have you to be yet another poster child for the "bleeding heart liberal".
P.S. What about the businesses that don't have people with packages? Are you obsessed with packages?
Eliminating federal assistance would also help cut down on illegal immigration!
"Capitalism run amok? Hell, I hope so! It keeps people employed."
Exactly. Doesn't she realize that if you set the minimum wage at $17... all of those people making $6 an hour would simply be unemployed and now making $0 an hour? A typical Democrat, thinking with her heart instead of her brain.
300/wkx50wks/year=$15,000 a year.
No, I expect you don't know anyone who could live on that. But most people you know don't know how to live cheaply.
I don't expect that you shop at the 99 cent store either.
Nice dodge on my comments and questions.
Why don't we let the government take over Wal-Mart, then it could be run with the same effeciency and economy as our public schools, the post office, and VA hospitals.
I was expanding on, agreeing with what you had said.
The answer is to move out of such a high cost city.
The biggest mistake people make about employment is that they aren't willing to move....to where a decent paying job is located in a lower cost of living area.
On 15,000 a year? No, I don't know anyone that could survive on that for long, other than those living at home with their parents, or those on pensions, or own their home outright.
Apartments in my area go for $700. a month and up. That's just for rent! That leaves less than 500 bucks to live on. Now throw in car payments, utilities, gasoline, insurance, food, clothing, any medical, repairs, and anything else that pops up every month and wammo, you are living on the razors edge. Again, I have no idea how people make it on 300 a month. I would have to live out of a trailer, parked in Walmarts parking lot.
Please elaborate. It is very interesting.
Let me try. If you are in a job that doesn't pay enough for you to survive, then the obvious solution is not to continue working there but to figure out how to make more money, either through more education, a change of location, or a job search. However, if you can increase you salary at government expense you are encouraged to not move since the ability to change jobs and earn as much as Walmart and the government gives you is very difficult. By staying at Walmart you encourage Walmart to pay lower wages since they have a willing labor pool who will work for minimum wage. Therefore, government assistance does a lot of damage to a community in the long run because they encourage companies to continue paying low wages. Companies like Walmart will raise their employees' salary when they find they can't hire enough people. Salaries are determined by one thing and one thing only: what does it cost to hire the right kind of people to do the job that needs doing. If you pay too little you will not get the number or quality of people you need. Apparently, Walmart believes the salary they are paying is giving them the quality of people they need. I would disagree with that and I don't shop at Walmart because I find their service lousy. But, Walmart is entitled to pay whatever they want, and the employees are free to walk off the job whenever they don't like it. It's basic Econ 101.
You can not imagine how this comment of yours hit me. I've been through the up and downs, as has my husband - but we've faced the obstacles and dealt with them. We're not unique, we're normal. I often joke on some of my regular daily threads about how I need a "real" job so I can spend money - but that is all it is, joking.
Knowing our 6yo has mommy waiting for the school bus, or mommy can come pick her up if school calls because she has a tummy ache is worth far more than any "real" job I could possibly have right now.
We all make decisions in our lives, some are good and some are not good, but we are the ones that must live with them - no one else.
You sometimes just have to shake your head. Or laugh. I can't decide.
I do both - it's the only way to keep sane in a sea of insanity :)
Excuse me..........you have been the only one looking down at anyone.
Sleep well - I will be doing the same in the very near future.
Since 'Wal-Mart employees are eligible for $2.5 billion in Federal assistance' it is everyone's business.