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Wal Mart's Exploitive Practices Attacked By Website
Wake Up Wal-Mart ^

Posted on 05/26/2005 6:27:37 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued

Because of Wal-Mart's inadequate wages and benefits, Wal-Mart employees are eligible for $2.5 billion in Federal assistance, which comes from your tax dollars.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: dujerks; gowalmart; ihateamerika; marxistidiots; nutjobs; populistmorons; rejoiceinwalmart; socialistcons; wallyhaters; walmart; walmartsucks; youshoptheretoo
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To: Aliska

Why am I not surprised you didn't answer my question?
Because I knew you wouldn't.
Why won't you take a chance and surprise me?

Here it is again for your edification.



Aliska: Wages are tied to cost of living.

Me: Yes they are.

So, if wages go up, what happens to the cost of living??


401 posted on 05/27/2005 2:35:04 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
75 posted on 05/13/2005 4:57:56 PM CDT by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with Karl Marx, the AFL-CIO and E.P.I. please stop calling yourself a conservative!!)

If you're fat and happy with the nation's largest employer having a a huge % of its employees eligible for public assistance, stop calling yourself an American, much less a conservative/

402 posted on 05/27/2005 2:37:00 PM PDT by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
And, of course, we all know that a big paycheck is a right! Darn those filthy capitalist pigs who pay employees what their work is worth! After all, those poor employees are forced to work for Wal-Mart. They can't just quit and work for some other employer.

I demand that every American worker be paid $700 dollars an hour, starting tomorrow! That will solve all our economic problems, won't it? </sarcastic rant>

For Pete's sake. Will some of you please take an economics class? It will honestly lower your blood pressure a bunch.

403 posted on 05/27/2005 2:41:04 PM PDT by TChris (Liberals: All death, all the time.)
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To: Aliska

About those losers.

When yoiu lose you just pick up and dust yourself off and start over. Do you know ho many failures in business and losses of elections Lincoln endured before he became president?

Oh, to answer youir other post asking me silly questions? I won't be out of a job because I'm going to perfect my already marketable skill. That's why I'm going to chef school starting this fall. Chefs with Cordon Blue certificates DON'T often lose their jobs and seldom starve.

BTW, I plan on opening my own place someday, too. I plan on paying those who work for me what their skill level deserves. Obviously a good kitchen staff and wait staff are worth spending money on. But they're gonna get a lot more than the busboys and dishwashers will. There's no way in hell, (with the slim profit margins in the restaurant biz), they get even CLOSE to a "living wage".

You need a course in economics and business administration. You're blinded by stupidity and appealing to emotion.......just like a LIBERAL.


404 posted on 05/27/2005 2:45:46 PM PDT by Chef Dajuan (Its a pork fat thing!)
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To: Aliska

Its not up to you to get them out of it.

Its up to THEM to do it for themselves.

Or do you have a problem with PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

The late Freddie Prinze was right. "Sa'not my joob, man."


405 posted on 05/27/2005 2:52:44 PM PDT by Chef Dajuan (Its a pork fat thing!)
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To: TChris
After all, those poor employees are forced to work for Wal-Mart.

Much more so than Wal-mart executives are forced to be loop-hole seeking (if ain't illegal and we can squeeze out another penny) Dickensian Mammonists.

406 posted on 05/27/2005 2:52:56 PM PDT by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: iconoclast
If you're fat and happy with the nation's largest employer having a a huge % of its employees eligible for public assistance, stop calling yourself an American, much less a conservative.

What would you rather? Should Wal-Mart pay more for the labor of its employees than it is worth? Do you pay more for things you buy than they are worth? When you buy a car, do you tell the dealer, "Hey, I don't want your salesman to be poor, so I'm gonna give you $5,000 more for the car than you asked." I didn't think so.

The labor market is no different than any other market. In this case, the seller is the employee, offering his labor, experience, talent, etc. for sale. The employer is the customer buying that labor. Like any other sale, both parties are free to negotiate and accept or reject the deal. If the employer doesn't want to pay a particular price for a certain kind of labor, he doesn't have to. If the employee doesn't want to work for a particular wage, he doesn't have to.

If employees want to be paid more, they need to make themselves more valuable! Just like there are cars that are more valuable than others, for various reasons, there are also employees that are more valuable. Those who have more education, experience and/or skill than others will be paid more. Those who did not graduate high school, never attended college, and have skills that equal those of nearly everybody else, should expect to be paid less for their work. Why? Because there is a large supply of them.

It still comes down to supply and demand. There is a nearly endless supply of Wal-Mart-level people out there. That skill level is nearly like water. It's everywhere, so why should anybody be expected to pay a premium for it? On the other hand, if you are, as an example, an experienced, certified, educated and talented IBM AS/400 computer system expert, you will probably be paid handsomely for your work. Why? Because there aren't very many of those people around!

407 posted on 05/27/2005 2:53:14 PM PDT by TChris (Liberals: All death, all the time.)
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To: iconoclast
Much more so than Wal-mart executives are forced to be loop-hole seeking (if ain't illegal and we can squeeze out another penny) Dickensian Mammonists.

Really? Find me the news story where a Wal-Mart employee was threatened with death if they worked any where but Wal-Mart.

Having the choice between an undesirable option and a more undesireable option is not equivalent to having no choice. Want more options? Get more education.

408 posted on 05/27/2005 2:55:40 PM PDT by TChris (Liberals: All death, all the time.)
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To: Destro

Where's the part in the Bible about a "living wage?"


409 posted on 05/27/2005 2:59:01 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: WideGlide

My mother was not a Communist.

And I am not a boy.


410 posted on 05/27/2005 3:00:32 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: A. Pole

Another one smokin' the KILL here, folks.

You really need to get that nose of yours out of the Bible occasionaly and into some Friedman and Mises.

You might learn just how insane your post was.


411 posted on 05/27/2005 3:03:09 PM PDT by Chef Dajuan (Its a pork fat thing!)
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To: A. Pole

That's the way its always been, pal.

Or haven't you read Locke, Smith, Hayek, Mises, AYN RAND, etc.


412 posted on 05/27/2005 3:04:49 PM PDT by Chef Dajuan (Its a pork fat thing!)
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To: Destro

What's wrong with that? Its the law of the jungle. Don't let this THIN VENEER of "civilization fool you.

We're not too different from the cavemen.

Unfettered, unregulated, laissez-faire Capitalism rules.

And that's just the way it is. Deal with it.


413 posted on 05/27/2005 3:07:24 PM PDT by Chef Dajuan (Its a pork fat thing!)
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To: Captain Peter Blood
Tell one company where you start out with real high wages.

You do if your name is Chelsea Clinton. Remember she started out at $250,000 per year a few years ago

414 posted on 05/27/2005 3:10:02 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Aliska
Oh, I wanted to add to my post #400:

Anyone who tries to reduce the effective value of the wages that I have worked so hard to improve throughout my life, is an enemy of mine. And I will fight them in any way that I can.

Let me spell that out for you. If you, and other socialists like you, are successful in getting minimum wages increased, you will at the same time increase the cost of manufacturing almost everything. The prices of almost everything will increase accordingly. This means that my wages will not be able to purchase as many goods and services. This will be a disincentive to anyone who wanted to follow in my footsteps of improving my skills, knowledge, and training.

I don't want to live in that communist hellhole, and I don't believe that you do either--if you only were intellectually honest with yourself.

415 posted on 05/27/2005 3:22:12 PM PDT by flada (Y2K? What are you selling, chicken or sex jelly?)
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To: stands2reason

"He gets free med coverage? That's nice. "

I stand corrected. It's not free, but the deduction is small.


416 posted on 05/27/2005 3:30:48 PM PDT by Adiemus
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To: stands2reason
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417 posted on 05/27/2005 3:31:49 PM PDT by WideGlide (That light at the end of the tunnel might be a muzzle flash.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Does anyone know how Wal-Mart employment practices compare to K-Mart, Target, Costco, and other similar retail operations?


418 posted on 05/27/2005 3:34:10 PM PDT by rwa265
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To: stands2reason; WideGlide

S2R you should go back and have a look at Post 67.


419 posted on 05/27/2005 3:38:21 PM PDT by Modok
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To: Modok; WideGlide
S2R you should go back and have a look at Post 67.

That's what I was responding to in the first place.

Godwin's Law states that first person who mentions Hitler/Nazis in a debate where it's not even relevant loses the debate.

In response, I get this "Moonbeam dropped you on your head" and a picture of a baby crying -- you'd think I was the one who used the Nazi terminology.

It's sad, really. Someone who posts here should try actually debating.

420 posted on 05/27/2005 4:12:48 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: stands2reason
1 Timothy 5:18
For the Scripture says, "You shall not muzzle the ox when it treads out the grain." And, "The laborer is worthy of his wages." WEB

Luke 10:7
Remain in that same house, eating and drinking the things they give, for the laborer is worthy of his wages. WEB

And many others.

Do you really need a scriptural admonition to do what is decent and worthy of one blessed with responsibility of being an employer?

421 posted on 05/27/2005 4:13:40 PM PDT by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: Chef Dajuan
Or haven't you read Locke, Smith, Hayek, Mises, AYN RAND, etc.

With God's grace, you'll outgrow this nonsense.

I wish you all success young man.

422 posted on 05/27/2005 4:17:37 PM PDT by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: flada
I worked just as hard as you did, and I never earned close to what you earned. But if it makes you feel better, pat yourself on the head on the way to the bank.

You forked over child support, score 1 for you if you are telling the truth, but you didn't have to find babysitters, cook, clean, stay home from work when your kids were sick, you had a definite advantage in the labor market.

I don't look down my nose at you, but I resented people like you for years. I had to pay your kind $20 an hour to fix my car so I could get to work and earn my $8+ per hour.

I'm not impressed with your accomplishments. You didn't have one hand tied behind your back and probably didn't have to take anti-depressant/anti-anxiety medication to keep going so you wouldn't lose your kids.

423 posted on 05/27/2005 4:24:45 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: iconoclast

Everyone is worthy of his wages. That goes without saying.

The Bible doesn't say what everyone should be paid.


424 posted on 05/27/2005 4:26:32 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: stands2reason
What happens to wages if the cost of living goes up? The price of gas has doubled. Are the working poor getting commensurate wages to pay for it? Most are not.

Maybe if you weren't acting like such a snot, I might tackle your question. I don't want to talk to you any more.

425 posted on 05/27/2005 4:27:18 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Aliska
I had to pay your kind $20 an hour to fix my car so I could get to work and earn my $8+ per hour.

So you don't think he was worth the $20 an hour? Why not?

426 posted on 05/27/2005 4:28:01 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: Aliska

Why do you insult me? I didn't insult you.

Wages are tied to the cost of living.

When wages goes up, everthing goes up. Don't you understand?


427 posted on 05/27/2005 4:29:29 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: Betaille
I was explaining that I am not the least bit disadvantaged and I have always had a roommate.

I agree. For single people, a roommate is not a sign of poverty but of common sense money management.

Those who feel deprived can move to an area where a roomie is not necessary to afford a reasonably nice place to live.

A higher percentage of people their own homes in the U.S. than any other time in the our history.

The increased housing prices are a reflection of demand. The cheaper places are not available due to floods of immigration, which have forced each level of apartment renters and home buyers into a level higher than they ordinarily would have paid if the pressure from below was not present.

This is not Wal-Mart's fault. It is a reflection of lack of national political will and consensus about controling immigration (legal and illegal).

428 posted on 05/27/2005 4:37:51 PM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spans)
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To: Chef Dajuan
Abraham Lincoln suffered about five failures. He was a man. He had a definite advantage in his time.

Is that for real? Cordon Blue certificates? Sounds like a culinary code blue. I buy frozen chicken cordon bleu for $.99 at Aldi's.

And just what happens to your job when people don't have money to eat out at all those fancy restaurants any more?

Good luck anyway. It's honest work. It doesn't sound like your employees are going to like or respect you since you are going to pay them s*** wages. It will be really stressful when they don't show up for work, as they often don't. Why should they?

And prepare yourself for some difficult personality types you will be forced to hire or be slapped with a discrimination suit. Lawyers take their cases pro bono.

I'd tell you to get back to me in 15 or 20 years but I probably won't be around.

I don't want to talk to you any more either.

429 posted on 05/27/2005 4:37:57 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: stands2reason
The Bible doesn't say what everyone should be paid.

The Bible is not a "cook book".

But why the glib non-reply rather than an answer to my question?

430 posted on 05/27/2005 4:40:57 PM PDT by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: stands2reason
So you don't think he was worth the $20 an hour?

Apparently she does, since she paid it. Frankly I think she should have paid more. Surely his humanity was worth closer to $25/hour, by my arbitrary standard anyway. With her as his employer, I certainly think she could have done better, especially since she didn't supply him with paid vacation, health insurance, holidays, paid breaks, disability insurance, etc.

431 posted on 05/27/2005 4:46:41 PM PDT by flada (Y2K? What are you selling, chicken or sex jelly?)
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To: iconoclast

Because you didn't answer my question.

I asked where in the Bible was mentioned a "living wage."

You didn't answer, but I'm guessing from this "cookbook" reply, the answer is "nowhere."

So it's not in the Bible. That's all I wanted to know.


432 posted on 05/27/2005 4:47:00 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: flada
If you, and other socialists like you, are successful in getting minimum wages increased, you will at the same time increase the cost of manufacturing almost everything.

Well, prepare yourself for a fight. I don't give a rat's ass about minimum wages. I want our Barbie Doll jobs back. They would have paid slightly more than what the minimum wage is now. But no, they all went to China so little girls could have a whole roomful of cheap Barbie dolls.

I'm going to see what I can do to help out those people on the website that is the topic of this post. But first I intend to do some more research on how Wal Mart has treated their employees around the country. They don't sound like they are much into compensation for people injured on the job.

They don't sound like socialists over there to me, but they do sound like Democrats. They care about America and American jobs. My first question will be if there are any Republicans or independents working with them.

I think Wal Mart is starting to run a little scared. They have been getting some bad pr.

Now I don't wish to talk to you any more either.

433 posted on 05/27/2005 4:50:04 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: flada

Watch out, if you keep showing the "poverty" of her arguments, she'll not want to talk to you anymore either.


434 posted on 05/27/2005 4:51:18 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: stands2reason

Promise?


435 posted on 05/27/2005 4:52:46 PM PDT by Fledermaus (The New 7 RINO Dwarfs: Cowardly, Cranky, Dopey, Goofy, Mealy, Sorry and Wussy)
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To: A. Pole

Just out of curiosity, what "trash" do you believe Rush Limbaugh is putting in people's brains?


436 posted on 05/27/2005 4:53:15 PM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spans)
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To: Aliska

"Over there" is a Union group.

This whole thread should be zotted for being sourced from there.

Accept the fact that you are not a conservative, no matter what you think about gay marriage and jihadists.


437 posted on 05/27/2005 4:54:56 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: Aliska
He was a man. He had a definite advantage in his time.

Feminism now, too? Great.

438 posted on 05/27/2005 4:56:00 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: Aliska

"They don't sound like socialists over there to me, but they do sound like Democrats. They care about America and American jobs."

Sounds like a ZOT to me


439 posted on 05/27/2005 4:58:33 PM PDT by Betaille (Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries)
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To: Betaille; stands2reason

Friends, you keep arguing with a fool long enough and people stop noticing the difference.

Just take comfort it will never better itself as it lives a long full life of misery created by it's own jealous envy.


440 posted on 05/27/2005 5:01:09 PM PDT by Fledermaus (The New 7 RINO Dwarfs: Cowardly, Cranky, Dopey, Goofy, Mealy, Sorry and Wussy)
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To: Aliska
Now I don't wish to talk to you any more either.

How unexpected. <sarcasm>LOL

441 posted on 05/27/2005 5:06:14 PM PDT by flada (Y2K? What are you selling, chicken or sex jelly?)
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To: stands2reason
So it's not in the Bible. That's all I wanted to know

Are you a Bible fundamentalist, or some other variety of simpleton?

442 posted on 05/27/2005 5:06:25 PM PDT by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: Fledermaus

How long can she keep saying that Democrats are great and Capitalism is bad before she gets pulled? I've seen people banned for far less.


443 posted on 05/27/2005 5:08:15 PM PDT by Betaille (Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries)
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To: Aliska

You have indoor plumbing?

You obviously have access to the internet.

You indicate you have had access to medications that were not available fifty years ago.

I assume you don't weigh less than your recommend weight, and are not starving.

You have a refrigerator?

When I'm feeling sorry for myself, the Holy Spirit sometimes chides me that I am really very lucky to have creature comforts that many generations and kings never dreamed of.

"This is a day that the Lord has made. Let us rejoice and be glad in it."

One of the steps of recovery from depression is to stop turning your anger in on yourself and turn it outward.

I am glad you have taken that step, but I hope you continue to progress toward a belief that you can take some control of your life, that you are not just the a pawn of fate.

A good way is to turn your thoughts outward to do something for others.

You aren't going to affect change at Wal-Mart by grousing about it on FreeRepublic. If you feel so strongly about worker's rights, maybe you should volunteer for a Union to help them promote their cause.

Or there are many other causes that could make you feel you are doing something worth while.

Me, I do care packages for the troops. I find it very rewarding.


444 posted on 05/27/2005 5:09:57 PM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spans)
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To: flada

Told ya. :-)


445 posted on 05/27/2005 5:13:10 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: patriciaruth

correction: effect change


446 posted on 05/27/2005 5:13:25 PM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spans)
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To: iconoclast

No.


447 posted on 05/27/2005 5:15:12 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Obviously, the Federal programs need to be re-worked. It isn't Wal-Mart's fault that US government is filled with idiotic socialists.


448 posted on 05/27/2005 5:15:59 PM PDT by Redcloak (Over 16,000 served.)
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To: flada

WHAT?! I've never heard of this story.

Personally, I went to the new Super-Wal-Mart that's 24 hours. I asked a stocker for Chocolate Eclairs made by Good Humor. He looked all over and when he failed to find it, the conversation went as such:

Stocker - "Well, where have you seen 'em last?"

Flagg - "Cub Foods, but they closed all their stores last year. Other than that, the occasional ice cream truck. WAIT! I do remember Super Target carrying them."

Stocker - "OK, Here's what ya do. Go get 'em at Super Target, eat 'em up, and bring us the package. We'll start carrying them, AND, we'll carry them cheaper."

THAT'S how you compete in business!


449 posted on 05/27/2005 5:16:22 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: Captain Peter Blood
Tell one company where you start out with real high wages.

Coors.
But I busted my a$$ getting in there.
450 posted on 05/27/2005 5:18:27 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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