Posted on 05/26/2005 6:27:37 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
I beg your pardon? Which post?
I've been reading your inane rants througout this point, so I'm going to ask you a question now that can sum all of this up. What is the living wage? What should businesses be required to pay as a minimum to anyone they employ? I want a number.
I have enjoyed your posts on this thread.
I also am sick of the whining. You get more if you try harder and improve yourself.
My mother was widowed in the Great Depression with small children. She went to school nights for secretarial skills,never fooled around with men,we did without (believe me,we did without),wore hand-me-downs,and we survived.
She ended up with a good job.I went to a state college as a day student and paid my own way, and we all ended up solid middle class.
Walmart would never have been her job of choice had they been around at that time,any more than Woolworth's or Kresge's was her choice.
That said,not for a moment am I criticising folks who work at Walmart. If they are happy there,that's fine with me,but don't ask me to subsidise them.
You said we are all socialists and I asked who the we in your statement was.
Amen
Bully for you. I'm not whining for myself. I'm whining for people who would never darken the doors of a website such as this and who are really struggling to do what you did. Money went further then than it does now. One emergency room visit because you don't have a regular doctor can set you back months.
The employer should not provide anything but an agreed upon wage for agreed upon labor........period. Anything else is up to the employer todecide if they choose to provide it.
Why is it that everyone expects their employer to provide them with "benefits"?
Freemarketeers see the society as a loose aggregation of individuals who pursue the individual gain. They see other people as a commodity. A nation, a family, a local community is seen by them as the superstitions of people less clever than them or at best as the tools to protect their assets.
In a sense they are similiar to the militant homosexuals who call people with normal families "the breeders".
Freemarketeers make socialism look good.
That was a generation of work and this is a generation of serve me, I don't want to work IMO.
There is of course some good old fashioned hard workers as well, many at WalMart I am sure, but these darn Unions are dying out and are trying to do anything to stay solvent and influential.
Bottom line is we don't need the unions in their current form any more.
"The employer should not provide anything but an agreed upon wage for agreed upon labor"
Exactly. What kind of fantasy world is this guy living in? In this fantasy world everybody flipping burgers can afford a house with a white picket fence, a car, company picnics, and a cheap and honest auto mechanic. What he hasn't told is us what exactly is the living wage in this fantasy world? Why can't he give us a number?
Sorry, no deal. I won't play the minimum wage game. This is a matter of morality.
Christian morality says that if a man is not paid a living wage it is one of the sins that cries out to heaven for vengeance. The bible says God will hear them and help them.
If we don't advocate for the poor, when we reach critical mass, bad things will happen. Some of those bad things will be that what a man has will be taken away (presumably by God Himself) and given to the man who has not.
The Internationale [variant words in square brackets]
Arise ye workers [starvelings] from your slumbers
Arise ye prisoners of want
For reason in revolt now thunders
And at last ends the age of cant.
Away with all your superstitions
Servile masses arise, arise
We'll change henceforth [forthwith] the old tradition [conditions]
And spurn the dust to win the prize.
So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race.
So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race.
No more deluded by reaction
On tyrants only we'll make war
The soldiers too will take strike action
They'll break ranks and fight no more
And if those cannibals keep trying
To sacrifice us to their pride
They soon shall hear the bullets flying
We'll shoot the generals on our own side.
No saviour from on high delivers
No faith have we in prince or peer
Our own right hand the chains must shiver
Chains of hatred, greed and fear
E'er the thieves will out with their booty [give up their booty]
And give to all a happier lot.
Each [those] at the forge must do their duty
And we'll strike while the iron is hot.
Living wage depends on the country and climate. In Russia and Canada it involves roof over you head and heat in winter. In most of USA it involves the car. In Central America you can do without car or heat.
So now God's is a communist?
"Freemarketeers make socialism look good."
Do you have any idea how much prices would surge if we were to cut off trade with developing nations? Do you have any idea how many americans who are currently in white collar professions would have to go back to working in textiles and/or farm, so that we could provide the same goods we had before? Do you have any idea how severely productivity and GDP would contract? No, obviously you are just repeating bumper stickers.
Good for you and your wife. You epitomize the American Dream.
I really do not understand the problem so many people here at FR have with WalMart, it makes no sense to me.
"Sorry, no deal. I won't play the minimum wage game."
But that is EXACTLY what you are asking for in this case. You are explaining what everybody should have in your fantasy world, but you arent willing to face up to economic reality.
"In most of USA it involves the car."
Nonsense... there are plenty of people in this country who don't have cars. Would you like to start a govt. program to provide cars for everyone? Would you like to instate a minimum wage of $15 an hour that would leave 25% of our population unemployed? What exactly is it you college brats want?
Don't blame WalMart or our capitalistic system for that situation - blame the nannies and envirowhackos who have overtaken our governemnt and are trying to micromanage private businesses into bancruptcy and offshoring because of over regulation and over taxation..........sort of what you are supporting.
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