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Wal Mart's Exploitive Practices Attacked By Website
Wake Up Wal-Mart ^

Posted on 05/26/2005 6:27:37 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued

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To: A. Pole

I just try to understand your position.

Imagine that you are a successful businessmen who pays his workers little and enjoys large profits. Imagine that your employees cannot afford to take vacations and that you have such luxuries like yacht and private jet.

My question is, would you give up your private jet or the yacht if this would enable you to provide means for your employees to enjoy modest vacation. Let us assume that you would still be able to go to Cancun and have other luxuries.

What would be your choice and would you feel guilty if you did not exercise your generosity?



Let me add a question for you. Do you think that choice should be made by the government?


981 posted on 06/03/2005 9:51:35 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: Aliska

"I'm thinking of a Studs Terkel type book with conversations with Wal Mart employees, if Wal Mart doesn't get wind of it and threaten them not to talk or they will be penalized and/or fired if they can get away with it."

I'm betting Wallmart would be very supportive. They know their employees generally very satisfied and aren't ashamed for the truth to be known. However, you might be dissappointed having to hear all the good comments.


982 posted on 06/03/2005 9:56:40 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: lucysmom

Again, my point was that no era is perfect. 1931 wasn't a great year, either, but oddly I've heard folks speak of their childhoods in the depths of the depression with something approaching fondness.

Also, remember post World War II America through the 1970s was an economic anomaly that won't be repeated. It wasn't the norm and it won't be the norm any time soon.


983 posted on 06/03/2005 9:56:47 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Gabz

"Oh, and one more thing - it would please me to NO END if you didn't talk to me anymore."

CLASSIC! Best post on this thread!


984 posted on 06/03/2005 10:01:25 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: MamaB

" It also has a full basement where hubby keeps his large bass fishing boat, his Yukon,..."

Your hubby must be hugh! Seriesly, I could never carry a bass boat or a full sized SUV up my basement stairs! ;-)


985 posted on 06/03/2005 10:06:34 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: CSM
You will find that trying to logically discuss anything with Aliska is virtually impossible. She seems to be bitter and jealous of everyone and anyone who may have it better than she does. You will probably soon join the rest of us and ignore her "feel sorry for me" ramblings.
986 posted on 06/03/2005 10:18:33 AM PDT by bfree (PC is BS)
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To: bfree

Yep. But it only took me one or two threads to get the "I'm not talking to you" replies.

Hey, what happenned to the Chef? I was enjoying his responses, clicked for his profile, and found the account banned.......


987 posted on 06/03/2005 10:27:24 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: CSM; bfree

LOL!!! I actually think it works.

As bfree suggested - the "feel sorry for me" ramblings have gotten OLD - very OLD.


988 posted on 06/03/2005 10:28:28 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: bfree

"Are you still in school? You post like it. No real world experience, just academic nonsense."

My guess is UNC or some other indoctrination center.


989 posted on 06/03/2005 11:00:42 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: CSM

Walmart threads always attract our resident left wing folks.


990 posted on 06/03/2005 11:06:35 AM PDT by bfree (PC is BS)
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To: Aliska

"I don't like it that Wal Mart is open 24/7. That means some people have to work on their sabbath and at night when the store is practically empty. For the life of me, I don't see why Wal Mart is so greedy to work people like that."

What about 7/11 or Denny's? Do you consider all 24 hour businesses equally evil?

"I don't like Wal Mart. Period. I don't like the atmosphere being in that huge place. It has no aesthetic merits whatsoever, strictly utilitarian and functional. I'm not talking marble floors. The place is row after row of ugly. I don't know how people can stand being trapped in there for a full shift."

So the crux of your position is that you can't handle it so now one else can. Nice.


991 posted on 06/03/2005 11:06:56 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: CSM; Admin Moderator

Leave me the hell alone!!!


992 posted on 06/03/2005 11:23:15 AM PDT by Aliska
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To: Nowhere Man; Aliska; Gabz; bfree

The gubmint cooks their figures just like everybody else who can get away with it.

It's like my 90 year old grandmother says, "they put out what they want you to hear and spin the figures the way they want to."



Except of course when they report what a living wage is. Then government numbers can be counted on as gospel!


993 posted on 06/03/2005 11:27:57 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: Aliska; Admin Moderator

Fine. But I fail to understand your going to the site moderators on your first request that I not post replies to your posts on this thread.

All you had to do was ask.


994 posted on 06/03/2005 11:29:55 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: CSM

How do you like the "I'm right and you can't question it" attitude? Just like Hillary.


995 posted on 06/03/2005 11:46:21 AM PDT by bfree (PC is BS)
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To: CSM

This quote certainly describes Aliska--

"A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money." -- G. Gordon Liddy


996 posted on 06/03/2005 12:11:16 PM PDT by bfree (PC is BS)
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To: lucysmom
We live in a world with a odd sense of worth when the CEO of HP trashed the values that built a business from garage to multinational corporation, laid off thousands of workers, devalued the worth of the company, and got a lovely 21 million dollar parting gift.

I couldn't agree more! When you get up to the top executive levels, the more solid laws of economics fly out the window for the misty black arts. Way up there, it's all about politics, reputation, favors, etc.. Corporations are frequently harmed by clueless MBA dweebs who haven't a clue what their company does, yet they are paid staggering sums for their trouble. Worse yet, they are almost universally so arrogant -- after all, they have an MBA -- that they refuse to learn anything either! It's baffling to me how boards of directors put up with such expensive managerial BS as these. Perhaps it's the "birds of a feather" syndrome. :-/

Corporations are frequently forced to re-learn the fact that management is overhead! They are an expense to the company, with no direct production benefit. Unless they significantly contribute toward making the direct producers of the company work better than they would without them, and thereby bringing some value to the party, they shouldn't be there at all.

In my opinion, many CEOs bring no value to their companies whatsoever. They are simply a big expense for the corporation to pay.

997 posted on 06/03/2005 12:37:40 PM PDT by TChris (Liberals: All death, all the time.)
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To: TChris

All employees are overhead. Salary envy won't cure the ills of society.


998 posted on 06/03/2005 1:40:51 PM PDT by bfree (PC is BS)
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To: Aliska; A. Pole
I was watching "The Great Dictator" (1940) starring Charlie Chaplin and Paulette Goddard recently and I listened to his speech at the end of the movie, it made me think about all of this in our recent debate.

The Jewish Barber (Charlie Chaplin's character): Hope... I'm sorry but I don't want to be an Emperor - that's not my business - I don't want to rule or conquer anyone. I should like to help everyone if possible, Jew, gentile, black man, white. We all want to help one another, human beings are like that.

We all want to live by each other's happiness, not by each other's misery. We don't want to hate and despise one another. In this world there is room for everyone and the earth is rich and can provide for everyone.

The way of life can be free and beautiful.

But we have lost the way.

Greed has poisoned men's souls - has barricaded the world with hate; has goose-stepped us into misery and bloodshed.

We have developed speed but we have shut ourselves in: machinery that gives abundance has left us in want. Our knowledge has made us cynical, our cleverness hard and unkind. We think too much and feel too little: More than machinery we need humanity; More than cleverness we need kindness and gentleness.
Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost.

The aeroplane and the radio have brought us closer together. The very nature of these inventions cries out for the goodness in men, cries out for universal brotherhood for the unity of us all. Even now my voice is reaching millions throughout the world, millions of despairing men, women and little children, victims of a system that makes men torture and imprison innocent people. To those who can hear me I say "Do not despair".

The misery that is now upon us is but the passing of greed, the bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress: the hate of men will pass and dictators die and the power they took from the people, will return to the people and so long as men die [now] liberty will never perish...

Soldiers - don't give yourselves to brutes, men who despise you and enslave you - who regiment your lives, tell you what to do, what to think and what to feel, who drill you, diet you, treat you as cattle, as cannon fodder.

Don't give yourselves to these unnatural men, machine men, with machine minds and machine hearts. You are not machines. You are not cattle. You are men. You have the love of humanity in your hearts. You don't hate - only the unloved hate. Only the unloved and the unnatural. Soldiers - don't fight for slavery, fight for liberty.

In the seventeenth chapter of Saint Luke it is written " the kingdom of God is within man " - not one man, nor a group of men - but in all men - in you, the people.

You the people have the power, the power to create machines, the power to create happiness. You the people have the power to make life free and beautiful, to make this life a wonderful adventure. Then in the name of democracy let's use that power - let us all unite. Let us fight for a new world, a decent world that will give men a chance to work, that will give you the future and old age and security. By the promise of these things, brutes have risen to power, but they lie. They do not fulfil their promise, they never will. Dictators free themselves but they enslave the people. Now let us fight to fulfil that promise. Let us fight to free the world, to do away with national barriers, do away with greed, with hate and intolerance. Let us fight for a world of reason, a world where science and progress will lead to all men's happiness.

Soldiers - in the name of democracy, let us all unite!

Look up! Look up! The clouds are lifting - the sun is breaking through. We are coming out of the darkness into the light. We are coming into a new world. A kind new world where men will rise above their hate and brutality.

The soul of man has been given wings - and at last he is beginning to fly. He is flying into the rainbow - into the light of hope - into the future, that glorious future that belongs to you, to me and to all of us. Look up. Look up."


I like his line "do not dispair," reminds me a little of what Pope John Paul II said, "be not afraid." The only disagreement I have is getting rid of nations, I'm a believer in national sovereignty and security but I think we can learn a lot from Chaplin's speech.
999 posted on 06/03/2005 4:06:56 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian, Michael Savage in '08! - DeCAFTA-nate CAFTA!)
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To: Clintonfatigued
How about a web site that attacks the exploitive practices of public schools on teachers and the public?
1,000 posted on 06/03/2005 4:09:13 PM PDT by Porterville (Don't make me go Bushi on your a$$)
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