Posted on 05/27/2005 3:58:28 PM PDT by wdkeller
Frist was on Hannity yesterday and stated emphatically and directly that he had no part in the deal and was very dissatified with it. I believe he will do his best to get all the Judges to the floor of the Senate for an up or down vote. I believe if the Demos filibuster (and they already have done so on Bolton) then he will push to change the rules.
Maybe because he's not?
Me thinks that Rush is so wedded to his own analysis that this is a colossal defeat, that he's unable to accept the possibility that, lacking a 50th vote for the nuclear option, Frist and Bush moved to get the best deal possible through negotiation. Why is that so difficult to accept?
You have more faith in Frist than I do. I think his "handling" of this situation led directly to the fiasco that occurred the other evening. Frist hasn't got the...intestinal fortitude...to stand up to a paper bag.
The guy is lying. If Frist wanted the best deal he would have went himself and lent credibility to the deal. As it is Frist denies the deal and says the constitutional option is on the table and that he didn't sign off on the agreement so therefore it is no good. He said that the first day. Why would he say that if he was in on making it? He wouldn't.
As for Bush, he is very busy and probably doesn't feel the need to deny something so obviously a falsehood. He probably thinks that we, the rank and file, have more brains than to believe he is envolved, unfortunately he overestimates the intelligence of a lot of the conservatives.
Has Frist since denied this Fox report that he dispatched DeWine and Graham to cut the best deal possible? It's one thing to say, "I wasn't part of this deal," and quite another to have sent a couple of Senators into negotiations that he himself was not officially a party to.
I would think Frist would at least push for a real fillibuster after this fiasco, but he seems to be content on letting judges be denied a vote on the threat only.
If he sent them to make the deal, then by definition, he was part of the deal. He denied being any party to it, and I believe him. I hope that faith and trust is not misplaced. We shall see.
How many times must people misunderestimate W. The Dems have been snookered. Comity became comedy in less then 48 hours. Call it a Bolten of Lightening if you will but the DEMS are in trouble and don't seem to understand they are sitting in the back seat and W is driving.
Spill DeWine!!!
Rush is right on this one! DeWine bought into the lies and is now trying to escape. First thing I thought. This whole idea "he was sent" is just ridiculous.
If you are right then, FRiend, it still doesn't exonerate Dewine and the rest of the traitors. Because there is no way in the world that this would have been possible without their collusion. And that about brings your argument to a screeching halt.
To be honest, I've seen a lot of people jumping to conclusions about the whys and wherefores of this "deal" this week -- but let's be honest: no one on this board really knows what went on behind closed doors leading up this "deal." It's like the old saying: "He who loves sausage and law should see neither being made." This deal is typical of "sausage law."
I think we'd all want that, but to my understanding a "real" filibuster would also require a rule change in the Senate, and 60 votes to accomplish it.
Mark Shields, on the News Hours this evening, said that a lobbyist had told him that he couldn't get through to Lindsey Graham's office. All lines were overloaded. Jim Lehrer asked him if the calls were pro or con. (Lehrer is a real ass).
Shields said "con", and that Susan Collins' phones were also overloaded.
Shields then quoted McCain, who said that when things like this happen, phones get overloaded for a couple of days and then everything settles back.
We've got to make sure that McCain is wrong. Dead wrong.
I appreciate and share your perspective. Maybe in another month we'll be proven wrong, but at this point, I can't believe that Geo. W. Bush was blindsided by this deal, or that it ultimately works against him.
I agree with you. A man called a local radio show here saying he had contacts in high places in DC. and would give the host the numbers to call to verify his story. His story being that Frist and the WH did not send Graham and DeWine to make the best deal possible. According to the caller, that story came from McCain's office, and McCain was trying to protect his friends from more harm since they seem to be the ones in so much trouble. Don't know if this is true, but I will check the host's website tomorrow and see if he has posted anything about this.
We shall see, indeed. Anything's possible, and I'm looking forward to the definitive story about the background manueverings.
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