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French voters reject EU charter (constitution)
BBC ^ | May 30, 2005

Posted on 05/29/2005 1:12:07 PM PDT by Betaille

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To: snowsislander

Spain was great. Something like 70% approved it, but the same amount had never even glanced at it. heh


61 posted on 05/29/2005 1:37:51 PM PDT by Righty_McRight
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To: Mihalis

"Anti-American sentiment rose after the collapse of the Soviet Union"

This is different. The idea of European counterbalance to America has been fueling anti-americanism, and also entrenching anti-israel europe.


62 posted on 05/29/2005 1:38:06 PM PDT by Betaille (Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries)
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To: CasearianDaoist
Free trade zones can't last very long without there being powerful calls for some type of superintending authority, especially in Europe. When I start seeing the French and German governements openly calling for a reduction in the Eurocrats' power (or bettey yet, defying their edicts), then I might start changing my mind about this. So far, the political will in these governments goes in the opposite direction, and there's no sign of that changing.
63 posted on 05/29/2005 1:38:54 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: Betaille

This calls for a celebration beer!


64 posted on 05/29/2005 1:39:30 PM PDT by SIDENET ("Some people are desperate for whatever they're desperate for," - Bubba Fink)
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To: Mihalis
Europe won't get stronger in the military sense from this. They'd probably be stronger without the EU.
65 posted on 05/29/2005 1:40:52 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: Betaille

one consitution down, one frog president to go.


66 posted on 05/29/2005 1:41:00 PM PDT by smonk
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To: Kozak

if you are a democrat, a 55% loss is only a nonbinding recomendation.


67 posted on 05/29/2005 1:41:17 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: SIDENET

57.2% NON so far...


68 posted on 05/29/2005 1:41:41 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: John Jorsett
I haven't seen the official ballot, but the choice seems to be: "Check Box A to support the new constitution; check Box B for genocide and conflagration."

Hey! It worked for Saddam!

69 posted on 05/29/2005 1:41:56 PM PDT by uglybiker (A woman's most powerful weapon is a guy's imagination.)
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To: smonk

Le Penn just said he would call for new parlamentary elections tommorrow.


70 posted on 05/29/2005 1:43:04 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Betaille
The Euocrats embarked on a willful demonizing of the USA as a part of a strategy to get through a United States of Europe. Even Delors spoke about the "need" to do such a thing. They have been at it for decade. It reached a peak lately, but it has alway been there. We just do not hear about it when a Democrta is in office.

Looks like it did not work this time. It may eventually play itself out. They will never love us - they never did.

Maybe they will take a break from this for a while.

71 posted on 05/29/2005 1:43:07 PM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: SIDENET

These are exit poll reports. How much can we rely on them? Fox is reporting that the polls are still open. I would like to see some reports on real tabulated vote results before we break out the California wine.


72 posted on 05/29/2005 1:43:54 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: inquest

Good point. The EU reminds me of committees. The reason why committees can't ever make the right decisions is because they need consensus. Getting consensus on any subject from 25 different countries is hopeless.


73 posted on 05/29/2005 1:45:00 PM PDT by Mihalis
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To: Betaille
Haha, now its time for those free market anglo-saxon locusts to sweep in and destroy the EU by signing a US-UK free trade deal and maybe get some of those eastern Europe counties too.
74 posted on 05/29/2005 1:45:37 PM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: Mihalis
"Anti-American sentiment rose after the collapse of the Soviet Union because we were the only superpower left that everyone could hate."

I remember in Paris, contempt for the United Sates was all the fashion rage back in the 1960's and by the '70's it was popular to try and run down people who looked like American tourists. That was a bit before the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Creating another Soviet Union while simply calling it by a different name will NOT strengthen Europe, it'll further weaken it. Do you think the media's usage of the term "EU bloc" was a coincidence of verbiage?

Good international trade policy, while allowing the citizens of European countries retain their individual histories is a far better idea.

75 posted on 05/29/2005 1:46:01 PM PDT by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: Truth29

Live Coverage here:

http://wwitv.com/television/73.htm

Click on Intele for some Angry Frog results and commentary. Can't understand what they say, but they all sound like Pepe Le Pew and they're really upset.


76 posted on 05/29/2005 1:46:52 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: Betaille

Hard to tell which side to cheer on during this thing.

It is certainly a bad document, so cheering for the vote to fail is the right thing if I care about the people of Europe.

Of course, cheering for the vote to succeed would foist it upon the frogs, the germans and others who have been so nasty to the US in recent years. Then I can have years of watching them suffocate slowly - and choke themselves to death.

I guess I'm hoping that they actually to the right thing here, and reject this anti-freedom document.


77 posted on 05/29/2005 1:47:09 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: apackof2

his is gonna get interesting - eg, finding out whether the "intelligensia" is going to force the "vote until it passes" strategy... Apparently, those who negotiated this thing that is many factors larger than the US Constitution got sick of the French asking for more and more to their liking, so it isn't likely further changes the people would like are going to be implemented. I have no idea what further concessions the French were asking.


78 posted on 05/29/2005 1:47:53 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: CasearianDaoist
Funny thing is, Chirac wanted this vote. There were some countries in Europe that ratified by bypassing the people and having their legislatures vote. But Chirac thought this would be a cakewalk.

Instead, he walked into a door...

79 posted on 05/29/2005 1:48:30 PM PDT by THX 1138
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To: Betaille

Absolutely correct. During the past years, the EU defined itself as Anti-American (from a political point of view) supported by leftist "peace-loving intellectuals" and an applauding European MSM with a strong anti-Israel and pro-dictatorship (China, Cuba etc.) tendency. Creepy.


80 posted on 05/29/2005 1:48:41 PM PDT by Emerald
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