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Why do they hate us? (Why Any Sane Person Hates Liberal Journalists)
Aljazeera ^ | 30 May 2005 | Sandy Shanks

Posted on 05/30/2005 4:49:03 PM PDT by Cornpone

Why do they hate use so? That question was asked by many Americans after 11 September 2001. The query is based entirely on ignorance, which, by itself, is a result of a chronic American fault - a near total apathy towards history.

The vast majority of Americans are clueless regarding the past of faraway lands as well as their own. That is highly dangerous in so much as we share this planet with other ethnicities, and historical illiteracy breeds misunderstanding.

George Santayana wrote: "Those who forget the past are condemned to relive it," or words to that effect, and many believe him, allowing the caveat that the principle also applies to those who never learned history in the first place.

Subsequently, during the agony known as the Iraq war, it becomes easy to be fixed totally on the present - the present being defined as that era beginning 19 March 2003, to now - and that is folly.

Noting that awareness of the past is a two-edged sword, meaning it is incumbent upon Arabs to learn as much as they can about the West, the fact remains that since the fall of the Arab empire in the 11th century, Arabs have not been in control of their own destiny, and, to a large extent, that condition exists today, Bush's attack on Iraq being a case in point.

Crusades

After the Seljuk Turks took control of the eastern Mediterranean lands (now known as Palestine) and Mesopotamia (Iraq), Pope Urban II launched the First Crusade to gain control of the Holy Land in 1096.

The Western army created four colonies, including one in Jerusalem. Using the euphemism, crusaders, European armies continued their pious invasions of the Middle East (applying the modern term), the last major incursion, the Fourth Crusade, taking place in 1204, at which time the "crusaders" plundered Constantinople (Istanbul).

The vast majority of Americans are clueless regarding the past of faraway lands, as well as their own.

The Seljuk Turks were followed by the Mongol empire (1219 to 1500), and the Mongols were replaced by the Ottoman Turks during the 1500s.

At the height of the Ottoman empire, 1566, their control over Arab lands stretched from Mesopotamia through the Holy Land into North Africa from Egypt to Tunisia.

The Ottoman empire maintained its grip on modern-day Iraq and Palestine until the end of the first world war, at which time those lands fell under British rule. Iraq achieved its "independence" in 1932.

Egypt and Suez

Meanwhile, the largest Arab nation in the world, Egypt, did not fare much better. As stated, she was conquered by the Turks as well. In 1798, Napoleonic France gained control of it, and the emperor's troops were tossed out by British and Turkish forces in 1801.

This was followed by a brief period of autonomy under Muhamad Ali, an Albanian. However, the fate of Egypt was sealed in 1869.

Built by the French, the Suez Canal was opened. In 1875, Great Britain took control of the canal, and, in a manner of speaking, control of that vital waterway remains in the hands of the West to this day.

In 1882, Britain occupied Egypt. Gamal Abd al-Nassir nationalised the canal in 1956, but a war that year involving France and Britain clearly illustrated that Egypt really does not control the Suez.

Today, for example, the canal and access to the Red Sea and Arabian Sea is largely in the hands of the American Fifth, Sixth, and Seventh Fleets, as is the Persian Gulf. There could well be some Arab resentment about that.

The fact remains that since the fall of the Arab empire in the 11 century, Arabs have not been in control of their own destiny.

Arabs living in Arabia, changed to Saudi Arabia in 1932 in honour of the ruling family in the kingdom, have been largely independent, using the generic meaning of the term, since the days of the Muslim empire.

Now that last statement assumes that Arabs in the kingdom (Saudi Arabia) can experience independence while the United States has bases in Dhahran, Jedda, Riyadh and four other locations, with still other locations that are "classified". There could well be some Arab resentment about that.

Recalling that Egypt's fate was sealed in 1869, the fate of Saudi Arabia, Iraq and other Middle Eastern nations was sealed in the 1930s. Oil was discovered.

The Middle East possesses the world's largest easily accessible reserves of black gold, Saudi Arabia ranking first, Iraq second. Western oil companies moved in.

Arab lands were now doomed to dominance by the industrial West, which needed that oil for its cars, planes, ships, and factories. There could well be some Arab resentment about that.

Mother of all insults

The greatest ignominy, by far, perpetrated by the West upon the Arab people is the formation of the state of Israel.

Indeed, the creation of the Jewish state fomented Islamic "terrorism", as we know it today. Arab nationalists, frustrated by defeat in wars against Israel in 1948, 1956, 1967 and the Yom Kippur War in 1973, turned to "terrorism" and every target in the West was open game, Munich Olympics in 1972, Achille Lauro in 1985, World Trade Centre in 1993 and, of course, 2001.

Actually, over the years, the target list has become a very long one. Many in the West respect the state of Israel, but that is not the point.

For Americans to fully appreciate the scope of this mother of all insults, please allow a ridiculous scenario.

Let us assume that the Arab League had the power to carve a nation out of the United States, say in Montana, meaning no disrespect to the inhabitants of that great state, and populate it with our deadliest enemy - members of al-Qaida. Would that not create a bit of a stir on the part of Americans? There could well be some American resentment about that.

How did this happen? That story is equally sordid. In 1917, the British treasury was depleted by the war, and Britain was facing defeat.

Balfour Declaration

Chaim Weizmann, an activist within the World Zionist Organisation and the first Israeli president, offered both financial hope and improved weaponry to Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour.

Arabs in the kingdom (Saudi Arabia) can experience independence while the United States has bases in Dhahran, Jedda, Riyadh and four other locations, with still other locations that are "classified".

The result is the infamous Balfour Declaration that stated equivocally that His Majesty's government favoured, "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of that object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done, which may prejudice the religious and civil rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine".

Balfour was equivocal, because he later added in a private memorandum in 1919: "For in Palestine we do not propose even to go through the form of consulting the wishes of the present inhabitants of the country.

"The four great powers are committed to Zionism and Zionism, be it right or wrong, good or bad, is rooted in age-long tradition, in present needs, in future hopes, of far profounder import than the desires and prejudices of the 700,000 Arabs, who now inhabit that ancient land."

Birth of Israel

This uniquely bad form by Britain was followed by the UN adoption of the Balfour Declaration after the second world war.

On 14 May 1948, Israel came into existence under the leadership of David Ben-Gurion. There could well be some Arab resentment about that. After the second world war, the British and French empires collapsed.

The vacuum was filled by the United States. Currently, American CBG's (Carrier Battle Groups) roam the high seas, totally dominant and unrivalled.

That made the US a target. Knowing this and aware that vibrant Arab nationalism has been around for more than 200 years, I nearly cried when Bush invaded Iraq.

That made our young, our future, enmeshed in a fiery cauldron so far from home and targets for Arab revenge. There are some who feel that the US goal in Iraq is the creation of a democracy.

Bush's goals or justification for war has changed over the years, and this new one was adopted after his February 2005 State of the Union address.

Role of religion

Once again, history becomes a casualty. Never in the history of mankind has democracy flourished at the point of a gun. Also, an absolute requirement for a democracy is education, a secular education, not a Bible-waving, Quran-waving education. Education slanted by religion breeds prejudice.

Religion belongs in the home, church or mosque, and the innermost thoughts of the individual.

Let's just say that both Christianity and Islam are two of the great religions of the world and get on with it - meaning governance.

Does more than 900 years of foreign domination, the lion's share of it by Western powers, justify atrocities? Emphatically no. There is no purpose served by killing 25 people and wounding 50 others at a funeral.

However, the Iraqi resistance fighter is a soldier, and soldiers are strong adherents to reality. One reality is that continued attacks on Iraqi policemen and national guard units only prolong the stay of the American occupation forces.

At some point, the soldier will come to the bargaining table, and I am clueless at to what will happen there.

However, centuries of Western domination are kind of hard to forget and that will remove any holier-than-thou attitude American negotiators may have.

Once a man's grievance is recognised, that can go a long way towards understanding.

Sandy Shanks is an author and columnist. He lives in Southern California.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: history; revisionist
It is obvious Sandy Shanks is an anxious contender for the John Espisito 'Suck Up to Saudi Arabia' award for journalistic fantasy. While he bemoans the atrocious history of Western dominance of the Muslim, particularly Arab, world, he conveniently ignores the over four centuries of Arab Muslim imperialist expansion throughout the Christian world and Europe prior to the first crusade in 1096. How he can evade the point that twice the Ottoman Empire knocked at the doors of Vienna, Austria totally escapes me and is only credible amongst those that don't have a clue about history...the very ones he berates. I believe Mr. Shanks needs to take some history lessons himself, or do the Western world a favor, and either keep his mouth shut or immigrate to Saudi Arabia. I'm sure he'll find a welcome audience there for revisionist lies.
1 posted on 05/30/2005 4:49:06 PM PDT by Cornpone
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John; Chgogal; EBH; evad; American in Israel; Grut; Bombardier; CarrotAndStick; ...

Ping....


2 posted on 05/30/2005 4:50:05 PM PDT by Cornpone (Who Dares Wins -- Defame Islam Today -- Tell the Truth About Muhammad)
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To: Cornpone

"Sandy Shanks"?

Too funny.


3 posted on 05/30/2005 4:52:11 PM PDT by JennysCool (Support bacteria - they're the only culture some people have.)
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To: Cornpone; nuconvert; parisa; freedom44; Reza2004; Valin; AdmSmith; TexKat; seamole; sionnsar; ...

PING


4 posted on 05/30/2005 4:52:24 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: Cornpone

And I'm more than sure I can say:
"The vast majority of muslims are clueless regarding the past of faraway lands, as well as their own."


5 posted on 05/30/2005 4:53:27 PM PDT by Brian328i
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To: Cornpone

Some body should tell "these people" that, You will starve to death if you are not able to sell your oil!

And if there is no body to buy your oil, so please shut the f*** up and don't mess with the world affairs!


6 posted on 05/30/2005 4:54:06 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: Cornpone
This should have come with a "Laxative" warning. As in the writer has been abusing laxatives and putting the results on paper.
7 posted on 05/30/2005 5:01:11 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Children's classic songs updated for Islam "If you're happy and you know it, Go Kaboom!")
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To: F14 Pilot

You will starve to death if you are not able to sell your oil!


A point that Tom Friedman made awhile ago. The subject was elections in Saudi Arabia, and what if the "radicals" win. (I parapharse) "So what, you mean they won't like us and they'll say bad things about us, what's different?"


8 posted on 05/30/2005 5:02:05 PM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: Cornpone
Once a man's grievance is recognised, that can go a long way towards understanding.

After they slaughter my countrymen, I could not possibly give an asswipe with a Quran page what their grievances, real or imagined, are, nor do I accept justifications based on the losing side's perception of a centuries-old folly.

I do not want to understand a rabid dog; I want to put it down instantly.

I do not wish to understand the "feelings" of a cockroach, either; I want to step on it and poison every single last one of the species, without hard feelings, or anything personal- Just simply because it is an unpleasant job that needs to be done.

We must be allowing Al Jazeera to exist because it has some intelligence value; It deserves the compassion given to cockroaches, and the life of a Mayfly.

9 posted on 05/30/2005 5:02:49 PM PDT by Gorzaloon
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To: Valin

The problem is that Industrial countries (most western countries) buy their one and only export (oil) and what if there is no body buying their sole export item?


10 posted on 05/30/2005 5:03:21 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: Cornpone

Thanks for the Ping!

Okay Mr. Shanks, where to even begin? I have never seen a worse or more inaccurately portrayed historical survey. Why not just take the short, honest route and admit first that you hate "the Jooooooooooos", and while you're at it, that you're not overly fond of the Christians either. So much so that you're willing to prevaricate, stretch the truth, skimp on important details, and outright lie!

A.A.C.

"Intolerant of Islam since 1962"


11 posted on 05/30/2005 5:04:26 PM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: Cornpone

This bilge needs to come with a complimentary barf bag (or three).


12 posted on 05/30/2005 5:09:16 PM PDT by grellis (Will zot for cowbells)
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To: Cornpone
"Also, an absolute requirement for a democracy is education, a secular education..."

Really. And the great democracies of the world predicated on atheist were...?
13 posted on 05/30/2005 5:10:59 PM PDT by sirthomasthemore (I go to my execution as the King's humble servant, but God's first!)
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To: Cornpone

"There are some who feel that the US goal in Iraq is the creation of a democracy.

Bush's goals or justification for war has changed over the years, and this new one was adopted after his February 2005 State of the Union address.

Once again, history becomes a casualty. Never in the history of mankind has democracy flourished at the point of a gun."


Rather than spout verbatim what her betters have taught Sandy to say, perhaps he/she should consider that last statement a bit more thoroughly.

I am constantly amazed people utter that sentiment and don't seem to realize how utterly wrong it is.

It's insanity, that's the only explanation I have.

And that's leaving out the blatant lie that Bush just came around to this as a reason for the invasion in Feb 05 (!).

Good god, do people have literally NO memory beyond the party line?


14 posted on 05/30/2005 5:11:32 PM PDT by HarryCaul
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To: Cornpone

Like any good work of fiction it has a few elements of truth but it's basically a pack of lies.


15 posted on 05/30/2005 5:19:55 PM PDT by evad (No action to secure borders, No action on judges... NO MONEY!)
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To: Cornpone
Why do they hate us?

They hate us because we don't make our women dress in tents.

The fact remains that since the fall of the Arab empire in the 11 century, Arabs have not been in control of their own destiny.

They hate us because Arabs have been Losers for a millenia.

... the Iraqi resistance fighter is a soldier...

They hate us because they know that the Iraqi resistance fighter is a bully and a pansy, and as bullies and pansies they will remain losers for another millenia.

16 posted on 05/30/2005 5:27:45 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Gorzaloon
"I do not wish to understand the "feelings" of a cockroach, either; I want to step on it and poison every single last one of the species, without hard feelings, or anything personal- Just simply because it is an unpleasant job that needs to be done."

Now you are really insulting cockroaches. Do you realize that though they are ugly and disgusting, cockroaches are not known to carry any disease?
I can't say that for jihadists.

17 posted on 05/30/2005 5:35:35 PM PDT by AntiBurr ("You cannot play the song of freedom on an instrument of oppression"--S.J. Lec)
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To: DuncanWaring
This article reminds me of ex-Nazi's in South America pining for the "good 'ole days'.
18 posted on 05/30/2005 5:36:36 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: Cornpone

Santayana had it wrong. Those who remember the past (and revel in it's ancient insults) are condemned to repeat it. America was founded and populated largely by people who wanted to forget the past and concentrate on building a future. As an approach, the advantage is obvious. Just compare the US with the Arab world.


19 posted on 05/30/2005 5:41:08 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: Cornpone

However, centuries of Western domination are kind of hard to forget and that will remove any holier-than-thou attitude American negotiators may have.


Yada,Yada,Yada


20 posted on 05/30/2005 5:44:13 PM PDT by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: AmericanArchConservative
This clown can't even give a proper quote. Two seconds on Google got: "Those who ignore the past are condemned to repeat it." Santayana
Is my memory bad, or didn't the Israelis take their country away from the British (then called Aden) at gunpoint? Seems to me that was when Moishe Dyan lost his eye. Wasn't there a movie about that conflict? Something called "EXODUS" ?
21 posted on 05/30/2005 5:44:50 PM PDT by AntiBurr ("You cannot play the song of freedom on an instrument of oppression"--S.J. Lec)
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To: Cornpone
Whenever the terror apologists want to justify their atrocities, they reach deep into the pages of history to find [drum roll] The Crusades! However, the Third Crusade ended somewhere in the 13th Century.

You don't have to look nearly that far back to find evidence of Muslim atrocities. Sept. 11, 2001 will suffice.

22 posted on 05/30/2005 6:03:59 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: Cornpone

This article couldn't be stightly biased could it? Not from Al Jezeera, the most honest and forthright news organization on the planet?


23 posted on 05/30/2005 6:10:14 PM PDT by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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To: Cornpone

Sandy needs to ask a more pertinent question.

The question should be: "Why don't they give a rat's behind?"


24 posted on 05/30/2005 6:37:54 PM PDT by OpusatFR (I live in a swamp and reuse, recycle, refurbish, grow my own, ride a bike and vote gop)
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To: Cornpone

"Once again, history becomes a casualty. Never in the history of mankind has democracy flourished at the point of a gun."

1. Germany.
2. Japan.

"Sandy Shanks" sounds like a good candidate for one of Jay Leno's "Jaywalking" segments.


25 posted on 05/30/2005 7:00:27 PM PDT by Ruadh (Liberty is not a means to a political end. It is itself the highest political end. LORD ACTON)
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To: All

They hate us because they hate Jesus. These deluded sad souls live a life of hatred, much like the hatred spawn of many of the liberal idealogies. They, the Fundamental Islamists wish the Christians and the Jews to be dead, and are fed lies of Hatred from a young age. Christianity and Judiaism are about love and I wish the Light to come to the Middle east and lay aside the great lier that pretends to be the prophet of God.


26 posted on 05/30/2005 7:03:06 PM PDT by Jbuza
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To: Valin

>> You will starve to death if you are not able to sell your oil!<<

With all due respect to both you and Friedman, crude oil is fungible. This simple truth means that any oil pumped by the Saudis competes in the world market for price and availablity. To cut off their funding, their oil wells must be plugged. Anything less and they get money for oil.

This fact is ignored by advocates in the US of "reducing dependency on foreign oil". Either those advocates are ignorant or they have another agenda. I suspect a little of both because their plans always seem to include higher taxes and reduced liberty.

Indeed, an editorial in the recent National Review, "Alternative-Fuel Nonsense", outlines plans by a group called Set America Free to help US drivers conserve by setting the price of gasoline at $4.00/gallon.

And just who will get the use of this Social Security-like river of tax revenue to use on their own pet projects was not made clear.

(ref: http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_comment/reynolds200505270855.asp)

From the editorial:

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But the process of replacing older vehicles with ethanol-fueled plug-in hybrids would move with glacial slowness, and would not shrink global oil demand enough to collapse oil prices. That is why Friedman proposes to further decrease demand by raising U.S. taxes high enough to keep gasoline above $4 a gallon regardless of the price of crude. In practice, this would simply mean that we would pay much more for gasoline so other nations could pay less.

Even if world oil did fall back to $18 a barrel, as Friedman would like, there would be no incentive for Asia or Europe to economize on oil use at all, nor for anyone to supply or demand expensive alternatives. Besides, the price of oil was below $18 nearly all the time from February 1986 to June 1999 — falling as low as $11 at the end of 1998 and remaining below $20 through the end of 2001. Yet cheap oil did nothing to promote economic or political liberty in Algeria, Iran, or anywhere else. This theory has been tested — and it failed completely.
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And the theory that changing oil purchases from states sponsoring radical Islamists will change their interest in funding their jihad against the infidel has been equally tested and is an equal failure.

If the US did not import a drop of oil from any source, does anyone rationally believe that the Islamists will stop trying to achieve the reward of a jihadist by destroying the country they call the Great Satan?

ROFL! Indeed, if we go back to the afternoon of 9/11/2001 and recall the reasons the Islamists themselves gave for that attack, they listed four:

1) Western culture was eroding the appeal of Islam to Arab youth;

2) US support of Israel;

3) US troops on "holy soil", meaning US military bases in Saudi Arabia;

4) Western hegimony precluded the Islamic world from taking its rightful place as a world power.

Not a single mention of the ever-popular "poverty" or "dispair" that so easily rolls off the tongue of the MSM as reasons for "hatred".

Osama Bin Laden himself tells us this in his 1996 "Declaration of War Against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places." This fatwa is printed for everyone to read at www.mideastweb.org/osamabinladen1.htm.

see also:
http://www.gcc.edu/news/faculty/editorials/vantil_binladen_8_3_04.htm

Where this author sums up bin Laden's fatwa and the reason he "hates" the west and the US in particular:

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To sum up: Bin Laden is at war with the United States because it intruded into the holy land and later invaded sacred Iraq. These actions, condemned in the Qur’an he says, were sufficient cause for him to take up arms against the United States.
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It has nothing to do with anything other than who the US is. It is either them or us. Bin Laden and those who follow him have sworn it. Only the useful idots in the West try to deny it.


27 posted on 05/30/2005 8:03:11 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Cornpone

Shanks is basically an anti semite it appears...one of those Ritter fans - a loser and ignorant about the history of islamic terror. An atrocious writer too.

The money angle should not overlooked either.


28 posted on 05/30/2005 9:12:59 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Cornpone

In short "they hate us for the Crusades, colonialism, and their own helplessness."

Right, we'll work on that.


29 posted on 05/31/2005 12:28:13 AM PDT by Joseph Cutler
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To: Cornpone

Agreed. This guys view of history includes blinders.


30 posted on 05/31/2005 12:35:24 AM PDT by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: Cornpone; Salem; SJackson; Alouette; IAF ThunderPilot; Yehuda; Nachum; malakhi; Bombardier; ...

Cornpone's summary of this article is great! Well done, Cornpone!

Mr. Shanks may have a personal problem in that he clearly is not getting enough bran in his diet and his thinking mechanism is clogged!



31 posted on 05/31/2005 7:06:14 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (tired of all the shucking and jiving)
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To: F14 Pilot

32 posted on 05/31/2005 7:35:29 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Cornpone
Re: "Crusades: After the Seljuk Turks took control of the eastern Mediterranean lands (now known as Palestine) and Mesopotamia (Iraq), Pope Urban II launched the First Crusade to gain control of the Holy Land in 1096. The Western army created four colonies, including one in Jerusalem. Using the euphemism, crusaders, European armies continued their pious invasions of the Middle East (applying the modern term), the last major incursion, the Fourth Crusade, taking place in 1204, at which time the "crusaders" plundered Constantinople (Istanbul). The vast majority of Americans are clueless regarding the past of faraway lands, as well as their own. The Seljuk Turks were followed by the Mongol empire (1219 to 1500), and the Mongols were replaced by the Ottoman Turks during the 1500s. At the height of the Ottoman empire, 1566, their control over Arab lands stretched from Mesopotamia through the Holy Land into North Africa from Egypt to Tunisia."

Once again BM (Big Media) gets it wrong. No mention of the Islamic hords invading CHRISTIAN Egypt, all of CHRISTIAN North Africa, CHRISTIAN Iberian Peninsula (Spain and Portugal for those of you in Rio Linda) all the way to Tours France (the middle of present day France folks). All this by 703 (or is it 730?) No it all started with that dad-burn Pope nearly 400 years later.

No mention of the Turks sacking of Vienna in mid 1500's. No it was all Western and Christian aggression that is the root of the problem. //sarcasm off//

It seems this jerk has even less of an understanding of history than many so what is he complaining about?
33 posted on 05/31/2005 1:46:11 PM PDT by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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