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7-Year-Old Suspected In Beating Death Of Baby Sister
WNBC Television ^ | 6/2/2005 | Puppage

Posted on 06/02/2005 7:15:50 AM PDT by Puppage

TAMPA, Fla. -- In an attack that's rattled even veteran detectives, police in Florida said a 7-year-old boy has confessed to beating his baby sister to death.

Investigators said the boy was jealous of the attention the infant was getting and upset by her crying. They said the boy beat the baby with his fists, feet and a two-by-four.

The attack occurred in Tampa, while the boy was visiting his father.

Police said the father and his girlfriend were outside with neighbors when the boy came out and told them the baby was "bleeding." They said the seven-month-old had a bloody nose, and wasn't breathing. The parents rushed the baby to a hospital, where she was pronounced dead.

A spokesman said detectives noted they'd never seen someone so young "show so much violence and so little remorse."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; US: Florida; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: deathcultivation; donutwatch; murder; siblingrivalry
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To: AZConcervative
Maybe you mispoke, but you sounded like you needed a tinfoil hat...

I suppose that is possible. Be that as it may, let me offer you a quote from Donna Shalala. These are her own words. The speech is from 1999 and can be found here. Here is a quote that appears near the end of the speech.

I realize that I'm preaching to the choir-because all of you here certainly make everyone's children your responsibility. We need to convince others that our young people are everyone's responsibility.

The rest of the speech is about exanding, at great expense, FEDERAL child welfare laws. Her justification for this expansion of federal power and reduction of parental rights are two specific stories of horrific abuse - just like the ones we are discussing here on FR.

This speech is just one example.

201 posted on 06/02/2005 10:29:29 AM PDT by Pete
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To: B4Ranch
Pete, the chart here shows Blacks kids die 80% more often than whites. Parents are the more probable killers in too many cases when discussing infant deaths.

Everything you say there is probably true. However, without looking, guess how many infants were murdered (not counting abortions) in the US in 2002?

The answer is 586, according to the DOJ numbers. Now, let's go back and look at your second sentence from above.

Parents are the more probable killers in too many cases when discussing infant deaths.

It is my opinion that, while your statement may be true, it completely mischaracterizes the severity of the problem (i.e. it makes it sound like every parent is a suspect even though, out of the millions of parents in the US, we are talking about 586 in 2002).

202 posted on 06/02/2005 10:37:07 AM PDT by Pete
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To: stormyseas

I think the only reason divorce rates are falling is because we are seeing way too many IMO bastard children these days.

Why get married when there's no need to? It'll only end in a divorce anyway.

I'm happy to say the Mrs and I have survived 27 years so far without doing physical harm to each other. She keeps saying she'll poison me someday, as soon as she finds someone to rub her feet in the evening, I suppose my time will be done for.


203 posted on 06/02/2005 10:42:15 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, it's a FREE CALL)
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To: Pete


I think the opposite of what she is preaching is what is needed. We need to strengthen the family unit, make it more affordable. There is far too much stress on young couples trying to start a life these days.


204 posted on 06/02/2005 10:43:24 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: B4Ranch

keep those hands strong!!!!! :)


205 posted on 06/02/2005 10:45:04 AM PDT by stormyseas
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To: B4Ranch
I'm happy to say the Mrs and I have survived 27 years ....

Congratulations! A child with a loving, stable, two-parent home has a great advantage over those who do not have that environment.

206 posted on 06/02/2005 10:46:38 AM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: Pete

I don't think we would have runaways, throwaways or homeless youths if the parents were better prepared for raising their children. I was almost 31 when our 1st daughter was born and my wife was 28. Much easier than doing it if we were 21 and 18.


207 posted on 06/02/2005 10:49:41 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, it's a FREE CALL)
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To: mother22wife21
long as they are sole receivers of it.

sorry for the stray line.

208 posted on 06/02/2005 10:49:41 AM PDT by mother22wife21
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To: ET(end tyranny)

Thanks for the vocab lesson, my opinion stands.

I do honor your position of defending these parents, I do not.


209 posted on 06/02/2005 10:50:12 AM PDT by Sax
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To: stormyseas
Divorce is "normal" in todays world. And it probably does have a lot to do with what goes on with our children.

Statistics on murders BY children are exceedingly difficult to find. I did however find the following very interesting.

Incarceration of children
2,000 studies show that children from single-mother households (SMHs), compared to children with father present, are more likely to go to prison by twenty times.

Suicide by children
Fatherless children are more likely to commit suicide by five times.

Murder by children
Fatherless children are more likely to commit murder by eight times.

Children's behavioral problems
Fatherless children are more likely to have behavioral problems by twenty times.

Likelihood of children to become rapists
Fatherless children are more likely to become rapists by fourteen times.

Become runaways
Fatherless children are more likely to run away by thirty two times.

Drug users
Fatherless children are more likely to abuse chemical substances by ten times.

Drop outs
Fatherless children are more likely to drop out of high school by nine times.

From: http://christianparty.net/aa.htm

210 posted on 06/02/2005 10:51:11 AM PDT by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: Puppage

I think I saw that episode on Law and Order.


211 posted on 06/02/2005 10:55:16 AM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: iconoclast
It could be surprising to most that the U.S. leads the world in juvenile offender executions. I know that juveniles involved in murder is up 150%. That's what this chart from 2003 says.
212 posted on 06/02/2005 10:55:45 AM PDT by stormyseas
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To: shekkian
And the Supreme Court says we can't put this kid to death.

And...????

Are you IQ challenged?

Rhetorical question...don't bother responding.

213 posted on 06/02/2005 10:56:36 AM PDT by DCPatriot
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To: colorcountry
He's 7 years old. Do you believe he has the mental capacity to understand what he did? Just asking.

whether he does have the mental capacity or not, "why the heck is the boy so violent?" what he did was extremely violent, whether he did it to a dog, a piece of furniture or a tree...

how does a 7-year old have that much anger in him? (i fault his parents for that.)

214 posted on 06/02/2005 10:57:40 AM PDT by latina4dubya
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To: poobear

Maybe Pete is right, don't you have this story confused with another thread about a 9 year-old girl and a neighbor child?


215 posted on 06/02/2005 10:57:57 AM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: Nathan Zachary

My wife and I dated for five years before we ever had any serious talks about getting married. Kids? They came after we had stable jobs, bought the house, the cars and had a decent bank account.

We never understood the rush to get married or become parents that we saw in so many of our friends. When we got married all our friends were positive she was pregnant because we announced it in October and got married in December. I'll bet lots of folks were upset that we didn't have any children for five more years. LOL


216 posted on 06/02/2005 10:58:29 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, it's a FREE CALL)
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To: Pete
Some of us on FR have been talking about the fact that recently we seem to be getting more and more child abuse/death stories. We can't figure out why that is.

FreeRepublic is nothing more than a news source.

That's not to diminish the greatness of FreeRepublic.com but facts are facts.

The slower the newsday...the more tabloid-like it becomes.

217 posted on 06/02/2005 11:00:20 AM PDT by DCPatriot
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To: yellowdoghunter
You got that right....that is all one really needs to know. Typical loser parents more concerned with their lust lives than anything. If these children had a loving, stable, two-parent (original parents) home, this would not have happened.

WHOA!! Hold up.

I've helped raise 5 children and there's nothing wrong with putting your infant down to nap while I might be out in the backyard sipping an iced-tea on the deck talking over the fence with my neighbor.

And just because a baby cries for a few moments without you sprinting to it's crib doens't mean you're a "typical loser parent".

Buy a clue, will you?

218 posted on 06/02/2005 11:03:44 AM PDT by DCPatriot
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To: ET(end tyranny)
I also think the 7 year old must have realized that the hitting and kicking wasn't having enough effect, then went and got the 2x4.

This is where he lost the benefit of the doubt with me. I'm not saying what he did to that point is OK. But after he got the 2X4 he went from being a bad kid who didn't know his own strength to an evil kid who meant to do serious harm.

219 posted on 06/02/2005 11:04:00 AM PDT by murdoog (Note to self: change tagline after this posting)
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(i fault his parents for that.)


I think it is impossible to say "parents". I only feel this way because of the situation I am in. My husband will often get his kids after she (the ex) makes it difficult. And we spend the whole weekend watching them like hawks because they fight all the time. My husband is the calmest sweetest man and I know he is not to blame for the way those kids behave, she left him when they were babies. And so I believe it is hard to say "parents" . In any situation where we do not know all the facts...:)
220 posted on 06/02/2005 11:04:46 AM PDT by stormyseas
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To: DCPatriot

I think you may be on to something.


221 posted on 06/02/2005 11:04:49 AM PDT by Pete
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
Sometimes it's a sign of autism.

Autism leads to this kind of aggression?

222 posted on 06/02/2005 11:06:23 AM PDT by murdoog (Note to self: change tagline after this posting)
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To: DCPatriot

You have the same ear my wife does. She knew when our daughter needed her now and/or when she was just exercising her lungs. That was a trick I never learned.


223 posted on 06/02/2005 11:06:36 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, it's a FREE CALL)
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To: B4Ranch

It is a gift only given to women...;) I knew it was true!


224 posted on 06/02/2005 11:07:33 AM PDT by stormyseas
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To: B4Ranch

my hubby and i "dated" (it was more like a courtship) about 5-6 months before getting engaged, and married 11 months later... he was 36 and i was 31... we had 6 terrific years of marriage before becoming parents... it was lots of fun, just the two of us (and our dogs)... of course, we had the house and careers before we married (since we were "older").

now we are in a different stage--the parenting stage... and it's lots of fun, too... we were ready for it in many ways...


225 posted on 06/02/2005 11:08:49 AM PDT by latina4dubya
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To: DCPatriot
The slower the newsday...the more tabloid-like it becomes.

So you think on a "normal" newsday a 7 year-old baby killer wouldn't have made it?

226 posted on 06/02/2005 11:10:39 AM PDT by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: B4Ranch
That was a trick I never learned.

Well, maybe that's for the best. ;^)

My 1st child, who was doted upon hand and feet is beginning her 1st year at Yale Law School after graduating from Princeton University in 2004.

The younger siblings are having to settle on Indiana and Emory. We let them cry and didn't fret over them as much.

I'm a failure it seems. ;^)

227 posted on 06/02/2005 11:11:34 AM PDT by DCPatriot
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To: stormyseas

>>It is a gift only given to women...;) I knew it was true!<<

So is the one, "Honey would you go and check on the baby" ....... to find ........ that she need her diaper changed. Phew!


228 posted on 06/02/2005 11:12:20 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, it's a FREE CALL)
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To: murdoog

Yep...somewhat from sensory overload. Used to be the development of aggression towards sibs was one of the first signs of autism.


229 posted on 06/02/2005 11:14:06 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: B4Ranch

*smiles*


230 posted on 06/02/2005 11:14:59 AM PDT by stormyseas
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To: DCPatriot

Spoiled one and let the others rot! Terrible parenting, haha.


231 posted on 06/02/2005 11:15:04 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, it's a FREE CALL)
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To: stormyseas

Just go ahead and admit it, **Big Roaring Belly Laugh That Woke The Neighbors Baby**

Women, humph!


232 posted on 06/02/2005 11:17:39 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, it's a FREE CALL)
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To: iconoclast
Of course it would make the forum.

It's embarrassing that in the 1st dozen posts or so, there are suggestions that it's a shame that the SCOTUS forbids executing the 7 year old for committing the act.

Something "nice" for the DU lurkers to get clamor over...Freepers wishing a death sentence being meted out to a 7 yr old.

233 posted on 06/02/2005 11:18:28 AM PDT by DCPatriot
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To: From many - one.
If the parents were "right outside" why didn't they hear the baby screaming in pain from being hit? Was just stating what the article said. Outside with neighbors usually means not too far from the house.
234 posted on 06/02/2005 11:19:57 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy (`)
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To: nmh
Most have od'ed on "self esteem" along with NO DISCIPLINE.

Within the last three weeks our next door neighbor's five-year-old has deliberately smashed my daughter's plastic chair and kicked the top off of one of our landscape lights. Yesterday he pulled all the leaves off of a birch tree I had just planted. I told him I was pissed and told him not to come into our yard for the next month. Fifteen minutes later his father shows up to yell at me. "He's just five!" "He's very sensitive!"

Oh well... Next time I'm putting up a fence.

235 posted on 06/02/2005 11:20:24 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Onelifetogive
Police said the father and his girlfriend... Tells me a lot...

Yup. My next-door problem child is from a blended family.

236 posted on 06/02/2005 11:21:45 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: B4Ranch

Not us. we did it the hard way, met one day in a 7-11 parking lot, went on a date and got married a couple months later. I was 20. Fortunately I was already owned my first house, so between 23 years of army, going to collage and starting a business we managed, with kids comming at 21. They were very busy years for a while, but nothing in life is easy. Now we have plenty of time to ourselves and we are still young enough to enjoy it. Things were a little different and affordable 26 years ago though.


237 posted on 06/02/2005 11:22:35 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Aquinasfan
I believe you.

It's unbelievable how kids are allowed to behave ... and they you have PARENTS indignant and often behaving WORSE than their kids.

Age 5 is old enough to know better.
238 posted on 06/02/2005 11:24:32 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Aquinasfan
that is exactly what I meant "parents raise their kids to think that they do no wrong, my little angel" The whole time the child is thinking YEAH! Do it again or something worse dad/mom will protect me again. If you would have come to me and told me this about my daughter, boy would she have got it, and apologized to you constantly!
239 posted on 06/02/2005 11:25:52 AM PDT by stormyseas
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To: Old Professer

You and several other FReepers are correct. Please see my post #54 and thanks.

Too many of these horrible stories lately I guess and I shouldn't be posting while trying to work.


240 posted on 06/02/2005 11:44:04 AM PDT by poobear
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To: DCPatriot
That's what I thought when I read those posts. I definitely don't want a 7 year old executed, and I wonder about the mental state of those who do.
241 posted on 06/02/2005 11:45:11 AM PDT by darkangel82
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To: HungarianGypsy

Exactly.


242 posted on 06/02/2005 11:50:03 AM PDT by From many - one.
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To: stormyseas
If you would have come to me and told me this about my daughter, boy would she have got it, and apologized to you constantly!

I would have done the same thing. He even said to me, "it's an embarassment to have you as a neighbor!" and I'm thinking, "OK, isn't it your kid that's breaking our stuff?" I have a long fuse, but I was really pissed. It's a good thing my wife wasn't home...

243 posted on 06/02/2005 11:55:02 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Fury

Simple answer: Satan.

I bet he has boxes full of Pokemon, Digimon, and other role playing games and probably watches Harry Potter over and over again for entertainment. (Yep, I'm one of THOSE type).

It's my opinion that this recent surge in child violence is nothing more than a new avenue Satan has turned to in order to destroy. Unfortunately, parents now a days don't care. They give in to the "newest craze" to make their children popular or happy or whatever no matter the consequences.

I think we truly are witnessing a spiritual battle. May we all lean on the Lord for strength.

God Bless


244 posted on 06/02/2005 12:02:25 PM PDT by redlocks322
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To: B4Ranch
My wife and I dated for five years

My hubby and I knew each other two weeks and got married. That was 33 years ago. It works for some people.

245 posted on 06/02/2005 12:03:49 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Aquinasfan

I just can't stand sensitive people! What a headstart
this kid has to being a professional 'victim'.


246 posted on 06/02/2005 12:04:43 PM PDT by jusduat (I am a strange and recurring anomaly)
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To: DCPatriot
Something "nice" for the DU lurkers to get clamor over...Freepers wishing a death sentence being meted out to a 7 yr old.

That is why I kept asking my questions, hoping someone would catch on...the thing the libs keep screaming about is that the only children we want to live are the unborn, but once yer out..BAM! We want you dead, even at 7.

247 posted on 06/02/2005 12:05:02 PM PDT by najida (www.lotusdance.com/FreeperettesHunks.html)
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To: redlocks322

I believe it. Someone on here said once that Tampa was
a stronghold of the devil, and you see so much comming from that particular area. I hate that, because we
really want to retire near there.


248 posted on 06/02/2005 12:08:09 PM PDT by jusduat (I am a strange and recurring anomaly)
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To: najida
That is why I kept asking my questions, hoping someone would catch on...the thing the libs keep screaming about is that the only children we want to live are the unborn, but once yer out..BAM! We want you dead, even at 7.

I agree. What a sad state, even at seven.

249 posted on 06/02/2005 12:10:33 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Pete

Just making sure people didn't get confused. The other poster asked about children killing children 50 years ago, and you posted that chart (in the meantime, of course) with no disclaimer about it pertaining to adults killing children.


250 posted on 06/02/2005 12:12:16 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Pro 26:13 The sluggard saith: 'There is a pierced in the way; yea, a pierced is in the streets.')
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