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Seat Belt Violators Caught By Cops Wearing Night Vision Goggles
WJLA TV (Washington, DC) ^ | Thursday June 02, 2005

Posted on 06/02/2005 8:20:41 AM PDT by tgslTakoma

Edited on 06/02/2005 8:25:19 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Rockville, Md. (AP) - Maryland State Police are using a military tool in the battle against seat belt violators.

They're using night vision goggles to find people who don't buckle up after dark. Police say 40 percent of drivers don't use their seat belts at night, making the roads much more dangerous after sunset. Police in Maryland are among 13,000 agencies nationwide that are now using the goggles.

With the goggles, Police say they can see inside cars at a distance, allowing them to nail violators who might otherwise go undetected.

The new strategy is paying off. At a seat belt enforcement operation Wednesday night on Rockville Pike, officers issued at least 44 tickets for seat belt violations.

Mod note: Associated thread.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; donutwatch; leo; nannystate; nightgoggles; nightvision; revenueenhancement; seatbelt
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To: tgslTakoma

Citizens are simply criminals who have yet to be convicted.


51 posted on 06/02/2005 8:45:16 AM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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To: tgslTakoma
The whole seatbelt thing for me can be characterized by one word: unacceptable. I don't see that changing any time soon, all based on a simple concept, although many other equally valid "con" arguments exist: Fraud.

This is not a debate about the pros and cons of the value of seat belts. It is about presenting an issue as innocuous, insignificant and an expansion of choice; then over time, converting it into repressive totalitarian mandatory money-making enterprise.

The seat belt hysteria began in the mid 50s. I am not sure who originally presented the idea, but at the time the proposal was limited to requiring auto manufacturers to install seat belts in all cars, for the sole benefit of allowing people who valued the ability to enjoy the increased protection.
That clearly is not what we are enjoying now.

I have become convinced, 50 years later that, if a "law" were passed requiring law enforcement to shoot every 12th driver to reduce traffic congestion, most of them would go right ahead and enforce "the law". I reject in the strongest terms, that mentality.

I am searching for a way to recruit people across the country to review the original debates for a simple idea that evolved from a provision of choice, to a mandatory revenue requirement. I am certain that assurances were made initially that it would never become mandatory. Unfortunately, that "self-destruct" provision in the original law was overlooked. Citizens naively failed to protect themselves from, if not the immediate lies of the proponents, the certain perversion of "good intentions" transformed into onerous requirements by subsequent politicians and othe controlling types.

The State, so far as I know, has no obligation to rescue me from bad choices. It should not. Allowing that idiot idea is the only way for the state to argue that "the public" good is best served by fascist tactics.
(Look up the characteristics of a fascist state; the real thing. This concept is not hyperbole or exaggeration. That is in fact the main argument of any fascist state.)

It would be a pleasant surprise if enough people would be outraged to keep the requirements of having seat belts made available, but permanently to prohibit their mandatory use by any jurisdiction under the guise of protecting me.

People are too stupid to make that choice for themselves?

52 posted on 06/02/2005 8:46:20 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Before)
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To: tgslTakoma

Can they point to one unbiased study that proves wearing a seatbelt makes the roads safer? I know it makes the driver wearing the belt safer during a crash.....but has no effect on the road or the way people drive.


53 posted on 06/02/2005 8:46:45 AM PDT by Feiny (They're not people, they're hippies.)
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To: Huck
Whatever.... Do you know how much 1 NVG (night vision goggle)cost? Moreover, it can only be used at night. It would take a lot of violations in order to recoup the money for 1 NVG. Furthermore, how about using it to get real criminals that tend to prowl at night vs. seat belt violators. LOL! Finally, if a person dumb enough not to wear a seat belt, why is the government so concerned with their personal safety? Answer: the government does not really care. This is nothing but a revenue generator. Just as police have certain quotas on the amount of tickets they have to write each month.
54 posted on 06/02/2005 8:48:30 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: tgslTakoma

I wonder if the equipment was bought with the funds to control terrorism?


55 posted on 06/02/2005 8:48:50 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: 1Old Pro

Okay...I don't buckle when I'm driving alone. I do however wear the belt slung over my left shoulder...should they look in the window.


56 posted on 06/02/2005 8:48:52 AM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: HangFire; AnnaZ

Police State Ping


57 posted on 06/02/2005 8:48:55 AM PDT by Feiny (They're not people, they're hippies.)
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To: tgslTakoma

Purely revenue enhancement!


58 posted on 06/02/2005 8:49:49 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: RS
Just how does the ROAD get more dangerous when some other clown dosen't put on his belt ?

You haven't been paying attention. First of all, law enforcement employees are not the sharpest tools in the drawer; they will enforce anything.
Secondly, have you not noticed the "1984" doublespeak of the last 20 years? The controllers and the parasites can make the most outrageous and non-sensical statements, and are never challenged.

Don't ask questions!

59 posted on 06/02/2005 8:50:27 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Before)
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To: Redleg Duke
They're just catching the criminal seatbelt scofflaws. Afterall, we don't want to be scaring off all the politicians lawn boys and nannies and housekeepers; now, do we?


60 posted on 06/02/2005 8:50:43 AM PDT by tgslTakoma
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In fact, there's something called "risk homeostasis" that suggests that the false sense of security from seatbelts causes drivers to take more, not less, risks while driving.

The one nice thing that will come out of this crackdown is that it will drive more people into National Motorists' Association membership and to become more active in opposing nanny-statism.

61 posted on 06/02/2005 8:50:45 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

LOL! That's it! They really do love us. This is why they are so concerned if we are buckled up or not. LOL!


62 posted on 06/02/2005 8:50:46 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Sprite518
It would take a lot of violations in order to recoup the money for 1 NVG....This is nothing but a revenue generator.

Make up your mind.

63 posted on 06/02/2005 8:51:16 AM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: sabatino28

Insane, isn't it?


64 posted on 06/02/2005 8:52:19 AM PDT by tgslTakoma
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To: tgslTakoma

So the purpose is revenue generation - NOT getting people to wear their belts?


65 posted on 06/02/2005 8:53:39 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: over3Owithabrain; Rebelbase; American_Centurion
Kinda goes with our other discussion...

Begin cop bashing...NOW!

kidding...

66 posted on 06/02/2005 8:53:53 AM PDT by thefactor
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To: Publius6961

This all started with those motorcycle helmet laws. One bike magazine predicted this chain of events 15 or so years ago. Think of the frog in the pan, brought slowly to a boil.


67 posted on 06/02/2005 8:54:08 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: tgslTakoma

You won't be fined if you observe the law, citizen.

Your papers, please.


68 posted on 06/02/2005 8:55:08 AM PDT by Petronski (A champion of dance, my moves will put you in a trance, and I never leave the disco alone.)
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To: eastforker
"Now if we went to the PD and told them we would donate $250 for every illegal captured and returned to mexico we might see some genuine law enforcement."

Sorry, but I don't think your quite admirable idea would work in the Peoples' Republic of Montgomerystan.

69 posted on 06/02/2005 8:55:40 AM PDT by chs68
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To: ArmedNReady
From WRC TV's report on same story...

ROCKVILLE, Md. --
Police Catch Seat-Belt Violators

A piece of electronic equipment that's often used by military personnel in Afghanistan and Iraq is now being used by police in Maryland to catch seat belt violators.

Wednesday night at a seat-belt enforcement checkpoint, police from several Maryland agencies started using night-vision goggles to see if motorists were buckled up.

After a briefing at the Maryland State Police barracks in Rockville, where strategy was discussed, officers hit the streets in search of violators.

Authorities said 40 percent of drivers are less likely to wear their seat belts at night and that could be deadly. Maryland State Police Cpl. Kevin Sherwood said the night-vision goggles are an effective way to catch those drivers.

"Often times you can see inside, but other times you can't because the light is directly ahead," Sherwood said. "What this does is amplifies the ambient light inside the vehicle so you can actually see inside the car and see whether they actually have their seat belt on."

Police said officers will continue using the night goggles.

When people don't wear seat belts and get ejected from their vehicle, Sherwood said the chance they could receive injuries that could lead to death, or become maimed increases.

Maryland authorities said they issued 111 citations Wednesday night as part of their "Click It or Ticket" campaign.

70 posted on 06/02/2005 8:56:29 AM PDT by tgslTakoma
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To: ActionNewsBill

"I've been looking for a reason to drop GEICO, and find another insurance company."

Their name wasn't enough for you?


71 posted on 06/02/2005 8:57:12 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: tgslTakoma

I know I'm going to be listening to Chris Core tonight.


72 posted on 06/02/2005 8:58:16 AM PDT by chs68
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To: MrBambaLaMamba

"Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be
much easier to deal with." ('Atlas Shrugged' 1957)


73 posted on 06/02/2005 8:58:17 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: ActionNewsBill
The radar gun thing at GEICO dates back to the '80s. Even after that policy was uncovered (internal GEICO memos were leaked to Patrick Bedard, an editor at Car & Driver magazine), the company persisted in this behavior. In the '90s, GEICO gave a huge cash infusion (nearly $1 Million) to a nearly bankrupt company that was developing the hand-held laser (LIDAR) guns.

Other companies may do the same thing, but only GEICO has been found out. They'll never get a penny from me.

74 posted on 06/02/2005 8:58:18 AM PDT by Charles Martel
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To: sheik yerbouty
This all started with those motorcycle helmet laws. One bike magazine predicted this chain of events 15 or so years ago.

I am arguing, and can prove, that this chain of events started 50 years ago!

75 posted on 06/02/2005 8:59:35 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Before)
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To: tgslTakoma

I feel so much safer now. I am so happy our governments spend so much money and time on this effort and not piss away needed resources on our country's borders. It's wonderful to have numbnuts running governments.


76 posted on 06/02/2005 9:05:03 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper
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To: Huck
It is both. It will take a long........ time to recoup the money for the NVGs. Its a dumb idea, and a waste of the tax payers money. Its for the military wanna be police.
77 posted on 06/02/2005 9:05:31 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: tgslTakoma
Lets see here.

1: Further militarizing of the police.

2: Revenue gathering.

3: Illegal search? I do not see any difference if a citizen is peeking through neighbors windows with these devices. What would happen if I were to sit outside a police station watching them with night vision?

4: The old health,safety and welfare argument being used to restrict property rights and such by municipalities daily.

Rant off/
78 posted on 06/02/2005 9:06:08 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Cloth or link. Happiness is a perfect trunion.)
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To: CSM
Their name wasn't enough for you?

Never really mattered since their rates were so low.

Now, there's an increase every year, and I haven't had a ticket in this century.

79 posted on 06/02/2005 9:07:03 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: Mortikhi
When the law was enacted (I can't remember how many years ago that was), it was promised to be a "secondary" violation, meaning that you wouldn't be pulled over for that infraction, but they could issue citations if they pulled you over for something else. Well, that lasted only a few years, if that long, before they changed it to a primary violation.

I wear my seatbelts all the time, but not because it's the law.

80 posted on 06/02/2005 9:07:10 AM PDT by tgslTakoma
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To: ActionNewsBill

If you love wealth more than liberty, and if you prefer the tranquility of servitude rather than the animated contest of freedom, then go home in peace. We seek neither your counsel nor your arms.

But bend down and lick the hands that feed you; and may your chains rest lightly upon you. And may posterity forget that you were our countryman. - Samuel Adams


81 posted on 06/02/2005 9:09:06 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: Charles Martel

Do they still do that? I always refused to look at them for insurance for that reason but hadn't heard anything about it in years.


82 posted on 06/02/2005 9:09:12 AM PDT by Turbopilot (Viva la Reagan Revolucion!)
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To: Huck

This is a nationwide effort, so I wouldn't be surprised to find that federal funds bought the troopers their seatbelt-scofflaw-catching toys.


83 posted on 06/02/2005 9:09:14 AM PDT by tgslTakoma
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To: ArmedNReady

"It warms my heart to see our tax dollars being spent to catch these dangerous criminals."

They're dangerous to the bottom line of the insurance companies. If it's bad for business, it's bad for America.


84 posted on 06/02/2005 9:09:31 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: Terabitten

I'm visiting Colorado Springs right now and am amazed at the number of cops watching intersections and lazering the Interstate. They don't make money solving murders or bugularies or car thefts, so the ticketing of other citizens is now their priority.

They surely have nice police stations here......really pretty....


85 posted on 06/02/2005 9:09:40 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Liberals are all heart, they care for everybody they care for and hate the rest.)
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To: tgslTakoma

Wouldn't surprise me either. That makes it even easier for the cops in question to get a good ROI.


86 posted on 06/02/2005 9:10:13 AM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: beltfed308
3: Illegal search?

Something to think about.

87 posted on 06/02/2005 9:10:53 AM PDT by tgslTakoma
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To: CSM
If you love wealth more than liberty, and if you prefer the tranquility of servitude rather than the animated contest of freedom, then go home in peace. We seek neither your counsel nor your arms.

But bend down and lick the hands that feed you; and may your chains rest lightly upon you. And may posterity forget that you were our countryman. - Samuel Adams

Hey...you read my FReeper home page!

I wanted to use that for a tagline, but it was too long.

88 posted on 06/02/2005 9:11:25 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: eastforker
Now if we went to the PD and told them we would donate $250 for every illegal captured and returned to mexico we might see some genuine law enforcement.

No, that would require the police to actually do something. It is easier to stand in the same place all day and write tickets while consuming mass quantities of doughnuts.
89 posted on 06/02/2005 9:12:02 AM PDT by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: CSM
Population breakdown numbers our socialist saviors-in-waiting can live with:

Leaders (10%), Overlords (40%), Inmates (50%)

90 posted on 06/02/2005 9:12:30 AM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Officer Friendly says "Obey citizen!". That boys head is kind of pointy.


91 posted on 06/02/2005 9:13:23 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: Publius6961
I am searching for a way to recruit people across the country to review the original debates for a simple idea that evolved from a provision of choice, to a mandatory revenue requirement. I am certain that assurances were made initially that it would never become mandatory.

Great idea!Start with the insurance underwriters,for they hold the lawmakers in their pockets.Seat belts,helmets,DUI,etc.My insurance company is the only one who to whom my health is even more important than it is to me!

92 posted on 06/02/2005 9:13:51 AM PDT by kennyo
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To: scott7278

"Where I live, there is a cop on the interstate that hides behind a bridge column and catches people speeding before they even have a chance to brake."

The Smyrna, Tn. police department actually used to ticket people on bicycles for speeding. Of course that was years ago, they probably Tazer them now.


93 posted on 06/02/2005 9:15:26 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: tgslTakoma

Thinking on it now I am probably reaching. They fly over houses with IR looking for houses growing pot in the WOD. I am sure it probably been upheld in court. Still, I think it is wrong as a violation of privacy.

Even in an airport you need to consent to being x-rayed and such as condition to being able to board.


94 posted on 06/02/2005 9:16:52 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Cloth or link. Happiness is a perfect trunion.)
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To: feinswinesuksass
Can they point to one unbiased study that proves wearing a seatbelt makes the roads safer? I know it makes the driver wearing the belt safer during a crash.....but has no effect on the road or the way people drive.

Actually, there have been studies showing seatbelt use increases aggressive and unsafe driving because the wearer feels safer.

95 posted on 06/02/2005 9:17:00 AM PDT by Texas Federalist (No matter what my work/play ratio is, I am never a dull boy.)
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To: Sprite518
Well of course it will take a long time.
Think of the Vikings of old (The ones who conquered, not the NFL team...), They went on this 'expedition' (read: looting, pillaging, and raping) to pay for the last 'expedition.

Well how will you pay for THIS expedition?

See you next year!

It's all very similar.
Why did you get those expensive NVGs?
Why, to catch lawbreakers!
Well, how will you pay for them?
Why, by catching more lawbreakers, citizen!

Both are cyclical arguments, intended to get done what you want anyway.

96 posted on 06/02/2005 9:18:44 AM PDT by akorahil
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To: tgslTakoma

These half-baked measures at creating an orderly society should be dispensed with. What we really need is just a War On Freedom. Sort of "one-stop-shopping" for the police state to which we are headed.


97 posted on 06/02/2005 9:19:58 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: ActionNewsBill

I appreciate the irony.


98 posted on 06/02/2005 9:20:45 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: caver
Who writes [these headlines]?

The same people who wrote the following headline about a girl who left the hospital after recovering from being shot. The shooting occurred as the result of a snowball fight:

"Girl, 10 shot after snowball fight leaves hospital"

99 posted on 06/02/2005 9:23:14 AM PDT by rudy45
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To: tgslTakoma

Not only do we pay outrageous insurance costs - in order to fund the Attorney Frivilous Lawsuit Complex, but we are not apparently being double soaked AGAIN by funding the salaries and equipment of the INSURANCE POLICE while paying those same elevated premiums.

Is wearing a seat belt a good idea? Yes.

But should the State (that means US) be enforcing a rule that benefits an already overpaid and subsidized industry so that trial court attorneys can continue to get rich?

I don't think so.

Besides the legal consequnces of this are chilling. The "War on Drugs" has ALREADY spawned legal outrages like the recent idiotic law in New Jersey whereby the State can confiscate a person's car or home because they happened to violate one of the nebulous, Byzantine and illogical New Jersey State gun laws.

How much more of this will we be willing to take??


100 posted on 06/02/2005 9:24:47 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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