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'This Is Not Right'
KOMO 1000 News (Radio) ^ | June 1, 2005 | Kevin Reece

Posted on 06/03/2005 4:33:39 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill

'This Is Not Right'

June 1, 2005
 
By Kevin Reece



DES MOINES - Cecilia Beaman is a 57-year-old grandmother, a principal at Pacific Middle School in Des Moines, and as of Sunday is also a suspected terrorist.

"This is not right," she told us. It's not right!"

This past weekend she and several other chaperones took 37 middle school students to a Heritage Festival band competition in California. The trip included two days at Disneyland.

During the stay she made sandwiches for the kids and was careful to pack the knives she used to prepare those sandwiches in her checked luggage. She says she even alerted security screeners that the knives were in her checked bags and they told her that was OK.

But Beaman says she couldn't find a third knife. It was a 5 1/2 inch bread knife with a rounded tip and a serrated edge. She thought she might have lost or misplaced it during the trip.

On the trip home, screeners with the Transportation Security Administration at Los Angeles International Airport found it deep in the outside pocket of a carry-on cooler. Beaman apologized and told them it was a mistake.

"You've committed a felony," Beaman says a security screener announced. "And you're considered a terrorist."

Beaman says she was told her name would go on a terrorist watch-list and that she would have to pay a $500 fine.

"I'm a 57-year-old woman who is taking care of 37 kids," she told them. "I'm not gonna commit a terrorist act." Beaman says they took information from her Washington drivers license and confiscated and photographed the knife according to standard operating procedure.

She says screeners refused to give her paperwork or documentation of her violation, documentation of the pending fine, or a copy of the photograph of the knife.

"They said 'no' and they said it's a national security issue. And I said what about my constitutional rights? And they said 'not at this point ... you don't have any'."

KOMO News did reach a spokesperson with the Transportation Security Administration for comment. They said they did not have record of Beaman's confrontation but did admit that TSA screeners are, by design, becoming more strict.

Despite continued warnings to passengers, TSA screeners say travelers continue to bring banned items in their carry-on luggage. Knives, guns, and other weapons are found and confiscated daily.

Fines issued for knives and other sharp objects range from $250 to $1,500. Fines issued for firearms discovered in carry-on luggage range from $1,500 to $7,500.

The TSA web site also indicates firearms violations will be referred for potential criminal prosecution. The same site does not propose the same criminal referral for knives like the one Cecilia Beaman was carrying.

"This is not the way my country should be treating me," she said. My concern is that if that's the way they're treating American citizens I would hate to think how they're treating other people. It's crazy."

The TSA reminds travelers that is has the authority to impose civil penalties up to $10,000 per violation.

"TSA needs the help of the traveling public in reducing the number of prohibited items brought to airport screening checkpoints," reads the Sanction Guidelines section of the TSA web site. "TSA recognizes that most passengers who carry prohibited items do so without any ill intent. TSA does not impose fines on the vast number of passengers who inadvertently carry prohibited items. Dealing with any prohibited item, however, adds time to the screening process both for the traveler who brought the item and for other travelers as well."

You can find a complete list of banned items, range of fines levied for violations, and information on how to plead your case with the TSA at www.tsa.gov.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airlinesecutity; bang; govwatch; idiocy; tsa
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To: DugwayDuke
Any terrorist with half a brain would never target an airliner again.

Instead, they would explode a bomb and murder the hundreds of people standing in line for the TSA security check.

Think about it......

101 posted on 06/03/2005 5:45:11 AM PDT by Hunble (Retired after 20 years with the U.S. Army)
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To: ActionNewsBill
My first instinct was to bash the TSA, but then I examined the report more closely. It consists mostly of complaints from the woman with little or no corroboration from any other source. And in particular, something that she said just doesn't taste right:

"This is not the way my country should be treating me," she said. "My concern is that if that's the way they're treating American citizens I would hate to think how they're treating other people. It's crazy."

Now what did she mean by that? Was she referring to the alleged prisoner "abuse" at Gitmo or Abu Ghraib? Or was she taking a jab at US foreign policy in general?

Sounds like the lady has an agenda to me.

102 posted on 06/03/2005 5:45:33 AM PDT by silent_jonny
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To: hopespringseternal
"I haven't flown since 9/11 and it has nothing to do with terrorists, and everything to do with not wanting my wife or four year old daughter grope searched by TSA lesbians."

My beautiful southern blonde friend was taken to a room because she and her 9 year old daughter were "selected" for a body search while traveling from Little Rock to New Orleans, via Atlanta.

The precious child was traumatized. It was her first flight :~(

sw

103 posted on 06/03/2005 5:47:02 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife ("America, land of the free..because of the brave")
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To: Erik Latranyi
She claims the TSA said those things, however, she is not arrested, has free access to the media and is card carrying NEA member. Sounds like lots of hype to me.

Exactly.

104 posted on 06/03/2005 5:48:43 AM PDT by silent_jonny
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To: Egon
What you fail to understand, is that with any administration in place, even one of your Libertarian ones, we would have the same result.

The TSA situation is/has been just one of many Administration screwups, but like you, they sedately stroll past their little feces piles as though they don't exist.

105 posted on 06/03/2005 5:50:17 AM PDT by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: tahiti
"That is true, since President Bush could sign an Executive Order to halt this TSA stupidity at any time."

The TSA and the FAA are organizations which fall under the Executive branch of our government.

A Presidential Executive Order, is only valid for organizations which fall under the control of the Executive branch.

Hence, President Bush could stop this TSA stupidity with one stroke of the pen.

106 posted on 06/03/2005 5:50:49 AM PDT by Hunble (Retired after 20 years with the U.S. Army)
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To: iconoclast
Are you attempting to justify this insanity?

What insanity? There's no proof that any of this actually happened the way the woman said it did.

107 posted on 06/03/2005 5:51:19 AM PDT by silent_jonny
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To: silent_jonny
...card carrying NEA member.

She is?
Well, since no one here is a NEA member, we shouldn't be concerned.
108 posted on 06/03/2005 5:51:58 AM PDT by MaryFromMichigan
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To: laredo44; ActionNewsBill
She sounds like a trouble maker who is thinking lawsuit or wanted some ammo for the leftwing to attack the homeland security laws

Absolutely right! Great post.

109 posted on 06/03/2005 5:54:59 AM PDT by silent_jonny
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To: joshhiggins
And if one of her little charges had brought a squirt gun into school this principal would have reacted how?

Do you aspire to become a White House spin meister?

110 posted on 06/03/2005 5:55:49 AM PDT by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: Hunble
"Hence, President Bush could stop this TSA stupidity with one stroke of the pen."

Why would he do that? He already initiated this stupidity with "one stroke of the pen" when he signed the law.

111 posted on 06/03/2005 5:57:08 AM PDT by tahiti
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To: ActionNewsBill
During the stay she made sandwiches for the kids and was careful to pack the knives she used to prepare those sandwiches in her checked luggage. She says she even alerted security screeners that the knives were in her checked bags and they told her that was OK.

If this is true, the TSA is guilty of entrapment, amoung other things, a judge could throw out these charges just on this evidence alone.

112 posted on 06/03/2005 5:59:47 AM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: ActionNewsBill

It never is right when it hits you.

So long as it always falls on the other guy, it is ok.

Crap such as this is why I no longer fly [the "screening balony].

Meanwhile the real terorists waltz right on past.

But in real life, my bet is that she is one of these individuals that when a perorter sticks a microphone in front of a camera in her face that would say, "I don't mind so long as it makes me secure." Well, she has a bellyfull of security now.


113 posted on 06/03/2005 6:01:26 AM PDT by sport
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To: silent_jonny
There's no proof that any of this actually happened the way the woman said it did.

Oh get serious, this happens in America almost every day.

Funny story: About 15 years ago, my wife always had a butterfly knife in her back pocket and never though about it.

One day, I was taking a flight from El Paso and my wife went along with me to the gate. While passing through the airport metal detector, all hell broke loose.

I kept on walking, since I did not know this woman!

10 minutes later, I felt guilty and walked back to see what happened to her. Eventually, I was able to locate her in the basement with airport security. After a long discussion, they did not file any criminal charges against her, but confiscated her favorite knife.

Good thing this wife of mine was not a terrorist!

114 posted on 06/03/2005 6:01:34 AM PDT by Hunble (Retired after 20 years with the U.S. Army)
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To: Erik Latranyi

We've always had a small but vocal contingent of 'real conservatives' around here who are dead set against any thing the Bush administration tries to do. You should have been around just after 9/11 when the Justin Raimondo (antiwar.com) crowd and the like were complaining that this was all our fault (except when it was the Jooos who were too blame).


115 posted on 06/03/2005 6:01:35 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Stpuidity can be a self-correcting problem.)
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To: txdoda

I hear the BATF is mustering outside her house right now, armed with Flame Throwers......


116 posted on 06/03/2005 6:03:44 AM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: Hunble

"Instead, they would explode a bomb and murder the hundreds of people standing in line for the TSA security check."

Why don't you think about it and propose a realistic alternative to security checks at airlines? The only reason no 'terrorist with half a brain' might forgo the airlines as a target is the security measures that have been enacted.

BTW, your local mall is a much more tempting target than a security check point.


117 posted on 06/03/2005 6:04:56 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Stpuidity can be a self-correcting problem.)
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To: laredo44
I'd love to know her politics

I'd love to know what gubmint agency you work for.

118 posted on 06/03/2005 6:05:00 AM PDT by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: Hunble
Oh get serious

I am serious. What proof is there that this happened to this woman the way she said it did?

119 posted on 06/03/2005 6:05:38 AM PDT by silent_jonny
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To: stevio
screeners need someone to push aroundunfortunately, you are not that far from the truth.

I've said it before here on Freep, the biggest pariah in America right now is a "straight, over 40, white male catholic who smokes and makes over $50,000".

120 posted on 06/03/2005 6:07:31 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: silent_jonny
What proof is there that this happened to this woman the way she said it did

What proof is there that 90% of what people 'allege' is true?

121 posted on 06/03/2005 6:08:25 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: iconoclast
I'd love to know what gubmint agency you work for.

Sorry, but I've had to scratch out a living in the private sector where they expect me to do actual work.

122 posted on 06/03/2005 6:09:32 AM PDT by laredo44 (Liberty is not the problem)
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To: softwarecreator

I don't know what your point is, but without proof there's no case. Surely if this happened the way the lady said it happened there would be scores of witnesses and plenty of security camera footage to back it up. All we have so far are allegations.


123 posted on 06/03/2005 6:12:08 AM PDT by silent_jonny
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To: Wolfie

these are the kind of thing's we should expect when we spend ALL of our time playing.we seem to wan't other's to
defend truth,while we play.shame on us.....


124 posted on 06/03/2005 6:12:39 AM PDT by realman
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To: Hunble
As far as I am concerned, I am now prohibited from flying on any American airline.

Me too. I won't even go to the airport. There is no way I could keep my mouth shut around the kinf of brownshirts they have there.

Anyone who thinks that post-9/11, you can hijack an airplane with a knife is living in a fantasy world. An awful lot of supposedly freedom-loving folks right here, on this site are supporting this lunacy.

The trouble is, you can't really do anything about it, because the government has shown time and time again, that power is all they are concerned about. They have the guns and are not hesitant at all to use them.

125 posted on 06/03/2005 6:13:41 AM PDT by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side...... We have cookies!)
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To: silent_jonny
There's no proof that any of this actually happened the way the woman said it did.

Why are you skeptical?

Have you flown since 9/11?

126 posted on 06/03/2005 6:13:51 AM PDT by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: ActionNewsBill

TSA=Time Standing Around.

What a bunch of twits.


127 posted on 06/03/2005 6:15:27 AM PDT by RexBeach ("Anyone can see what's wrong, but can you see what's right?" -Winston Churchill)
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To: DugwayDuke
BTW, your local mall is a much more tempting target than a security check point.

Actually no, since people are not grouped together in such concentrations at the local mall.

In February, my wife and I were flying to Cozumel on a chartered airline. Since all of the chartered flights to Cozumel and other locations in Mexico were departing at the same time, there were over 1,000 people standing in line for the TSA security check.

It was a solid mass of people and only 10 feet away from the front entrance. Any terrorist could have walked in, placed a bomb, and walked out without even being questioned.

This is how the TSA has helped keep us safe!

Today, the TSA is no longer looking for bombs in the airline luggage, but are spending their time looking for prohibited items like cigarette lighters or butter knives.

This insanity must stop.

Actually it will, but only AFTER a few hundred people have been murdered at a TSA security check point.

128 posted on 06/03/2005 6:16:37 AM PDT by Hunble (Retired after 20 years with the U.S. Army)
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To: silent_jonny
All we have so far are allegations.

Isn't almost ALL cases allegations ... we'll see what transpires.

129 posted on 06/03/2005 6:17:19 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: ClearCase_guy

You are exactly right. Demo-commie got caught and should be held accountable. Maybe she thought as a member of a "teachers union", rules did not apply to her, but only the uneducated. NSNR


130 posted on 06/03/2005 6:18:55 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: DugwayDuke
We've always had a small but vocal contingent of 'real conservatives' around here who are dead set against any thing the Bush administration tries to do.

Don't forget to mention the "Bush Can Do No Wrong" crowd.

They are the ones who almost worship every thing the man says or does.

131 posted on 06/03/2005 6:20:03 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: zeugma
Anyone who thinks that post-9/11, you can hijack an airplane with a knife is living in a fantasy world.

You can summarize that with one famous quote:

"LETS ROLL!"

Today, the American citizens will fight back, even if it will cost them their own lives.

132 posted on 06/03/2005 6:20:18 AM PDT by Hunble (Retired after 20 years with the U.S. Army)
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To: iconoclast
Why are you skeptical?

I read the article, that's why. It provides no proof that any of this actually happened, no corraboration, no verification, nothing. And the things that the woman said make me think that she's a lefty with a political agenda, like this:

"This is not the way my country should be treating me," she said. My concern is that if that's the way they're treating American citizens I would hate to think how they're treating other people. It's crazy."

133 posted on 06/03/2005 6:21:09 AM PDT by silent_jonny
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To: silent_jonny
What proof is there that this happened to this woman the way she said it did?

This type of thuggery is SOP for the JBT's who man the TSA, thanks to the WOT.

134 posted on 06/03/2005 6:24:38 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: ActionNewsBill
They are the ones who almost worship every thing the man says or does.

I used to call 'em Bushbots, but I've come to think Messianic Republicans fits 'em better. ;o)

135 posted on 06/03/2005 6:26:08 AM PDT by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: silent_jonny
And the things that the woman said make me think that she's a lefty with a political agenda, like this:

I love that attitude...."as long as they are a lefty," (which you are assuming) "then the hell with her rights."

Typical response from a sheep.

136 posted on 06/03/2005 6:28:06 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: DugwayDuke

My experience has been that there are plenty of those on "our side" who have problems with other nationalities. However, I have always watched how FR monitored those folks and handled them.

Today, I see more and more anti-Bush, anti-Republican garbage being spewed here than ever in my memory.


137 posted on 06/03/2005 6:29:02 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: ActionNewsBill
Again, where's the proof that this particular incident happened the way this particular woman said it did?
138 posted on 06/03/2005 6:29:11 AM PDT by silent_jonny
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To: Hunble

"This insanity must stop."

OK, now that you've identified this problem what is your proposed solution? Surely, you're not proposing that we eliminate the security checkpoints? After all, once we've done away with these checkpoints, what would keep a terrorist from carrying any number of bombs or weapons onto a commercial aircraft.


139 posted on 06/03/2005 6:31:04 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Stpuidity can be a self-correcting problem.)
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To: ActionNewsBill

Why does she have a Washington driver's license? Looks like she just moved to Iowa. Some of her comments make me think she is a liberal.

That said, if she is not lying about this, it is sad this happened to her.

On the other hand, she brought a knife. What did she expect, a pat on the back?


140 posted on 06/03/2005 6:31:06 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: All

As for her quote that they said she had no constitutional rights, I am sorry, but that is horse shit.

She is lying on that one.


141 posted on 06/03/2005 6:31:49 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: silent_jonny
Ok silent_jonny, since you claim to be a Conservative, then it should be rather trivial for you to quote the exact Constitutional language that granted the Federal Government the legal authority to perform such an action.

Was a search warrant issued by a judge?

Was their prior probable cause?

Come on, my fellow Conservative, this should be easy for you to answer.

Simply type the exact words from the Constitution that granted a Federal government agency this authority.

142 posted on 06/03/2005 6:31:53 AM PDT by Hunble (Retired after 20 years with the U.S. Army)
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To: DugwayDuke

Everything but common sense is a weapon in your book, eh? No common sense shown in this incident. Utter waste of our money and time for jerks in the TSA.


143 posted on 06/03/2005 6:32:52 AM PDT by bvw
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To: ActionNewsBill

"Don't forget to mention the "Bush Can Do No Wrong" crowd."

And your solution to airport security in particular and the war on terror in general is exactly what?


144 posted on 06/03/2005 6:33:15 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Stpuidity can be a self-correcting problem.)
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To: silent_jonny
Again, where's the proof that this particular incident happened the way this particular woman said it did?

Where's your proof that it didn't?

I believe her more than I would believe anyone who works for the gooberment.

They lie more often than not.

145 posted on 06/03/2005 6:34:37 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: DugwayDuke
Surely, you're not proposing that we eliminate the security checkpoints?

Absoluty yes!

After all, once we've done away with these checkpoints, what would keep a terrorist from carrying any number of bombs or weapons onto a commercial aircraft.

Armed American citizens that will sacrifice their own lives to protect others.

"LETS ROLL!

146 posted on 06/03/2005 6:35:06 AM PDT by Hunble (Retired after 20 years with the U.S. Army)
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To: spectre

Dumb trash bastards operating under color of uniformed authority are still bastards. I hope the youth grows out of that trauma.


147 posted on 06/03/2005 6:35:11 AM PDT by bvw
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To: SilentServiceCPOWife
She says screeners refused to give her paperwork or documentation of her violation, documentation of the pending fine, or a copy of the photograph of the knife.

"They said 'no' and they said it's a national security issue. And I said what about my constitutional rights? And they said 'not at this point ... you don't have any'."

Unbelieveable.

Unfortunately, it's all too believable.

I blame the Republicans in Congress, who authorized this monstrosity. I expect this kind of raw power grab from Democrats, but not Republicans. Maybe I was naive.

148 posted on 06/03/2005 6:35:39 AM PDT by highball
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To: DugwayDuke

First thing on my agenda if asked the same question is firing any bozo with your attitude.


149 posted on 06/03/2005 6:36:45 AM PDT by bvw
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To: laredo44; ActionNewsBill

Excellent point.

What teacher makes the sandwiches for her kids? None that I have ever seen. That is done at home.


150 posted on 06/03/2005 6:37:15 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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