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'This Is Not Right'
KOMO 1000 News (Radio) ^ | June 1, 2005 | Kevin Reece

Posted on 06/03/2005 4:33:39 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill

'This Is Not Right'

June 1, 2005
 
By Kevin Reece



DES MOINES - Cecilia Beaman is a 57-year-old grandmother, a principal at Pacific Middle School in Des Moines, and as of Sunday is also a suspected terrorist.

"This is not right," she told us. It's not right!"

This past weekend she and several other chaperones took 37 middle school students to a Heritage Festival band competition in California. The trip included two days at Disneyland.

During the stay she made sandwiches for the kids and was careful to pack the knives she used to prepare those sandwiches in her checked luggage. She says she even alerted security screeners that the knives were in her checked bags and they told her that was OK.

But Beaman says she couldn't find a third knife. It was a 5 1/2 inch bread knife with a rounded tip and a serrated edge. She thought she might have lost or misplaced it during the trip.

On the trip home, screeners with the Transportation Security Administration at Los Angeles International Airport found it deep in the outside pocket of a carry-on cooler. Beaman apologized and told them it was a mistake.

"You've committed a felony," Beaman says a security screener announced. "And you're considered a terrorist."

Beaman says she was told her name would go on a terrorist watch-list and that she would have to pay a $500 fine.

"I'm a 57-year-old woman who is taking care of 37 kids," she told them. "I'm not gonna commit a terrorist act." Beaman says they took information from her Washington drivers license and confiscated and photographed the knife according to standard operating procedure.

She says screeners refused to give her paperwork or documentation of her violation, documentation of the pending fine, or a copy of the photograph of the knife.

"They said 'no' and they said it's a national security issue. And I said what about my constitutional rights? And they said 'not at this point ... you don't have any'."

KOMO News did reach a spokesperson with the Transportation Security Administration for comment. They said they did not have record of Beaman's confrontation but did admit that TSA screeners are, by design, becoming more strict.

Despite continued warnings to passengers, TSA screeners say travelers continue to bring banned items in their carry-on luggage. Knives, guns, and other weapons are found and confiscated daily.

Fines issued for knives and other sharp objects range from $250 to $1,500. Fines issued for firearms discovered in carry-on luggage range from $1,500 to $7,500.

The TSA web site also indicates firearms violations will be referred for potential criminal prosecution. The same site does not propose the same criminal referral for knives like the one Cecilia Beaman was carrying.

"This is not the way my country should be treating me," she said. My concern is that if that's the way they're treating American citizens I would hate to think how they're treating other people. It's crazy."

The TSA reminds travelers that is has the authority to impose civil penalties up to $10,000 per violation.

"TSA needs the help of the traveling public in reducing the number of prohibited items brought to airport screening checkpoints," reads the Sanction Guidelines section of the TSA web site. "TSA recognizes that most passengers who carry prohibited items do so without any ill intent. TSA does not impose fines on the vast number of passengers who inadvertently carry prohibited items. Dealing with any prohibited item, however, adds time to the screening process both for the traveler who brought the item and for other travelers as well."

You can find a complete list of banned items, range of fines levied for violations, and information on how to plead your case with the TSA at www.tsa.gov.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airlinesecutity; bang; govwatch; idiocy; tsa
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To: Hunble
As a smoker, I am now prohibited from flying on any airline, because I use a BIC cigarette lighter.

Matches are now banned as well, IIRC.

51 posted on 06/03/2005 5:14:22 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: softwarecreator
Hey come on, middle aged white woman, these screeners need someone to push around. </obvious sarcasm>
52 posted on 06/03/2005 5:14:27 AM PDT by stevio (Red-Blooded American Male)
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To: ClearCase_guy

"She's a member of a teachers' union, I imagine. I'm not eager to side with her either. Democrats lie."

Thank you!


53 posted on 06/03/2005 5:14:50 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: ActionNewsBill
The blame for this idiocy lies squarely with the Bush administration.

Ding! And out comes the true agenda for posting this article.

What you fail to understand, is that with any administration in place, even one of your Libertarian ones, we would have the same result.

It's called P.C., and it's indicative of a Liberal mental disease. As long as you have Liberals, you'll have this problem, regardless of who's in charge.

54 posted on 06/03/2005 5:15:57 AM PDT by Egon (Your tagline offends me.)
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To: ActionNewsBill
"KOMO News did reach a spokesperson with the Transportation Security Administration for comment. They said they did not have record of Beaman's confrontation."

So far, all you have is an unsubstantiated allegation.

55 posted on 06/03/2005 5:16:39 AM PDT by verity (A mindset is an antidote to logic.)
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To: ActionNewsBill

Meanwhile 11,000 illigals streamed over the border that day.


56 posted on 06/03/2005 5:17:17 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Republican - The thinking people's party)
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To: ActionNewsBill
And if one of her little charges had brought a squirt gun into school this principal would have reacted how?
57 posted on 06/03/2005 5:17:46 AM PDT by joshhiggins
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To: Egon
Ding! And out comes the true agenda for posting this article.

The "agenda" for posting this is to show how our rights are being systematically taken away, and also how anyone can be considered a terrorist by an inept beauracracy.

58 posted on 06/03/2005 5:19:14 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: verity
"They said they did not have record of Beaman's confrontation."

My guess is that they are in serious CYA mode.

59 posted on 06/03/2005 5:20:07 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: ActionNewsBill
Matches are now banned as well, IIRC

You had me surprised, since I had not heard that one yet. However, it no longer matters to me. As far as I am concerned, I am now prohibited from flying on any American airline.

After checking the www.tsa.gov website, this is the current regulation:

LIGHTERS

Carry-on Rules

As of April 14, 2005, you are no longer allowed to bring lighters in carry-on luggage or on your person. Checked Baggage Rules

As always, ALL fueled lighters are banned from checked baggage for safety reasons. Lighters without fuel are not considered hazardous material and therefore are permitted in unlimited quantities. Tip: Double-check your checked baggage for fueled lighters and your carry-on baggage and pockets for all lighters before arriving at the airport. Because of federal laws and operational considerations, TSA cannot return any prohibited items voluntarily abandoned at the checkpoint. Your airline is responsible for taking possession and disposing of all hazardous material.

MATCHES

Matches are not permitted in your checked baggage due to safety regulations, but up to four books of matches are allowed in your carry-on baggage or on your person. For safety reasons, strike anywhere matches are prohibited at all times from carry-on and checked baggage.

60 posted on 06/03/2005 5:20:37 AM PDT by Hunble (Retired after 20 years with the U.S. Army)
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To: Egon
We have here a middle-school principal complaining about a zero-tolerance policy.

RIGHT ON!!!!

61 posted on 06/03/2005 5:21:20 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: rodguy911
While stoooopid Govt. workers waste unbelievable time on individuals that couldn't fit the terrorist profile if they wanted the real bad guys get a pass.

What causes any of us to believe terrorists responsible for the next great crime will fit any known profile?

That's the problem, isn't it?  We don't know with certainty who we are looking for.  And, certainty, or extravagantly good luck, is what is required.

62 posted on 06/03/2005 5:23:38 AM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: ActionNewsBill

"The blame for this idiocy lies squarely with the Bush administration."

That's absolute malarky. There have been instances of terrorists using unsuspecting passengers to smuggle items onto an aircraft. In addition, you seem to forget that there are American Muslims too. Just because some one doesn't look like a terrorist is no assurance that they are not.


63 posted on 06/03/2005 5:23:59 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Be careful what you ask for, you may get it.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I'm not a fan of TSA, they strike me as bullies. Now, having said that, I will also say that this woman's account seems overly dramatic and over-the-top. She's a member of a teachers' union, I imagine. I'm not eager to side with her either. Democrats lie.

You're jumping to conclusions here. In most states, teachers are forced to be members of the union although many despise it. In this case, the 'teacher' is a principal - generally seen by the union as part of the opposition administration.

My wife is a teacher and forced member of the union, but she often rallies her fellow teachers to fight the union and many do.

64 posted on 06/03/2005 5:24:45 AM PDT by pjd
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To: ActionNewsBill

Having Admiral Loy as head of TSA was one of the biggests mistakes this administration has made. The tone he set with TSA and the Air Marshalls allowed his arrogance to seep to the lowest levels.


65 posted on 06/03/2005 5:24:55 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (BTDT got the T shirt, shot glass, shoulder patch, challenge coin, coffee mug....)
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To: ActionNewsBill
The "agenda" for posting this is to show how our rights are being systematically taken away....

What rights were taken away?!

...and also how anyone can be considered a terrorist by an inept beauracracy.

How is she being treated like a terrorist?

She claims the TSA said those things, however, she is not arrested, has free access to the media and is card carrying NEA member. Sounds like lots of hype to me.

If this is how we treat terrorists, all is lost.

66 posted on 06/03/2005 5:25:10 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: Erik Latranyi
If this is how we treat terrorists, all is lost.

If this is how we treat citizens, all is lost.

67 posted on 06/03/2005 5:27:13 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: AppyPappy
I'm sure Achmed will try that one too.

Are you attempting to justify this insanity?

68 posted on 06/03/2005 5:27:55 AM PDT by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: Route101
She looks like a terrorist to me!!!

Agree. She reminds me of my 4th grade teacher, Sister Mary Redempta.

Makes my blood run cold. ;^)

69 posted on 06/03/2005 5:28:08 AM PDT by DCPatriot
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To: DugwayDuke
Just because some one doesn't look like a terrorist is no assurance that they are not.

The idiots on FR that want grandma left alone and only Muslims screened are as dangerous to our security as the ACLU.

You hit it right on the head that the terrorists will indoctrinate or use unsuspecting dolts for their purposes. Currently, in Iraq, they are paying men to drive cars from one location to another. The driver does not know the car is packed with explosives and is detonated remotely.

70 posted on 06/03/2005 5:28:48 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: txdoda
Also this CITIZEN gets a felony record, plus a fine ??? Wonder if this will also affect her job ??

Fortunately, there is a little matter of a prosecutor, judge and a jury between these TSA punks and a felony conviction.

71 posted on 06/03/2005 5:29:11 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: ActionNewsBill
It was a 5 1/2 inch bread knife with a rounded tip and a serrated edge.

That's not a knife, mate.

Now this is a knife....


72 posted on 06/03/2005 5:29:32 AM PDT by machman
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To: ActionNewsBill
Where did the knives come from?
Did she buy them in California?

Or did she 'take' them with her....?

The whole thing seems asinine to me...

..I don't care if it was 37 kids.....buy a box of plastic knives for crying out loud!!.

I am not sympathetic to her.

Much ado about nothing.

73 posted on 06/03/2005 5:30:41 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: from occupied ga
The point is that public schools have all adopted zero tolerance policies with regards to what the children should and should not bring to class. Her profession pulls this crap on kids day-in and day-out. Bring a butter knife to school in your lunchbox? That's worth a 1 week suspension. Actually take it out and butter something? That's another week. Now she's getting the same treatment and, imagine that, she doesn't like it!

She's a crabby old biddy whose job it is to make kid's (and their parent's) lives a living hell and now that she's in a bind she wants to wrap herself with those same children for protection. Afterall, it's fo' the chil'run

74 posted on 06/03/2005 5:30:54 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Erik Latranyi
You hit it right on the head that the terrorists will indoctrinate or use unsuspecting dolts for their purposes.

You think that this 57 YO grandma is being used by the terrorists for nefarious purposes?

Unbelievable.

75 posted on 06/03/2005 5:31:33 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: DugwayDuke
Just because some one doesn't look like a terrorist is no assurance that they are not.

Thank you, I now feel so much safer that people are now being arrested for having BIC cigarette lighters or table knifes.

Without outstanding citizens such as you, we could all be murdered by little old ladies with their dangerous wheel chairs.

Tonight, my wife and I can sleep soundly, since we are all safe and secure once again.

76 posted on 06/03/2005 5:31:35 AM PDT by Hunble (Retired after 20 years with the U.S. Army)
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To: Erik Latranyi

"You hit it right on the head that the terrorists will indoctrinate or use unsuspecting dolts for their purposes."

They can also use threats against family members as well. But if you're just looking for an excuse to bash the Bush administration, this will work as well as any.


77 posted on 06/03/2005 5:32:15 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Be careful what you ask for, you may get it.)
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To: ActionNewsBill

bttt


78 posted on 06/03/2005 5:32:17 AM PDT by SeeRushToldU_So (If you jog in a jogging suit, lounge in lounging pajamas, and smoke in a smoking jacket, WHY would a)
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To: ActionNewsBill
The "agenda" for posting this is to show how our rights are being systematically taken away, and also how anyone can be considered a terrorist by an inept beauracracy.

This assumes that it's the beauracracy that is at fault. While I'm certainly no fan of beauracracies-- they are cumbersome, don't deal well with change, and protect the inept-- they are not what is truly at fault here.

What's at fault is a Liberal mindset: Political Correctness -- the antithesis of common sense.

Even if each airport contracted with separate security agencies, you'd still have the same problem: the security companies would still follow the same idiotic policies because not to would invite lawsuits by the ACLU.

79 posted on 06/03/2005 5:32:33 AM PDT by Egon (Your tagline offends me.)
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To: DugwayDuke
There have been instances of terrorists using unsuspecting passengers to smuggle items onto an aircraft.

A butter knife? Man get f'n real.

80 posted on 06/03/2005 5:33:11 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: from occupied ga
"Do you know that she ever has?"

Ever has what? Thought twice? Probably not... ;-)

81 posted on 06/03/2005 5:33:40 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: SeeRushToldU_So

btttt


82 posted on 06/03/2005 5:34:03 AM PDT by SeeRushToldU_So (If you jog in a jogging suit, lounge in lounging pajamas,WHY would anyone want to wear a windbreaker)
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To: ActionNewsBill
I'm a 57-year-old woman who is taking care of 37 kids," she told them. "I'm not gonna commit a terrorist act."

Sounds like a pretty good cover for the rare female suicide knifer.... < /sarc >

83 posted on 06/03/2005 5:34:36 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: Egon
What's at fault is a Liberal mindset: Political Correctness

You do have a point there.

We should be profiling passengers much in the same way the Israelis do.

85 posted on 06/03/2005 5:35:37 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: Egon
security companies would still follow the same idiotic policies because not to would invite lawsuits by the ACLU

Man you need to get a grip. Arresting teachers because a student had a butter knife is not going to stave off the ACLU. In fact, I would applaud loudly if it invited an ACLU lawsuit. There are a lot of fascist mindless bureaucrats working in this country. They are motiviated by lots of other things besides PC. Liberalism is not the root of all evil in the US.

86 posted on 06/03/2005 5:36:04 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: SilentServiceCPOWife

"They said 'no' and they said it's a national security issue. And I said what about my constitutional rights? And they said 'not at this point ... you don't have any'."

Unbelieveable.

No, really it's not unbelievable. We have surrendered our rights under the constitution to the Government for safety and security.

This is not unbelievable in the least

This was inevitable.


87 posted on 06/03/2005 5:36:28 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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To: ActionNewsBill
If this is how we treat citizens, all is lost.

What was done that was so bad? As far as I can tell, no arrest, no beatings, only allegations of words.

88 posted on 06/03/2005 5:36:56 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: ClearCase_guy
She's a member of a teachers' union, I imagine. I'm not eager to side with her either. Democrats lie.

Too much about this story that simply doesn't add up.

1. What teacher/administrator prepares sandwiches for students on a school trip? And why did she need 3 knives?

2. A five and a half inch Bread knife? I've never had a bread knife that small. And why the detail about a rounded tip? I know it gives the appearance of a less dangerous weapon, but why was it provided to the reporter? I mean of all the things you'd be saying about your "ordeal" is that one of the important ones?

3. She sure seemed ready for a confrontation. "What about my constitutional rights?" Requesting all sorts of documentation...not that that's a bad idea, but many people in that situation can be confused. She's a pretty fast thinker, UNLESS, she had thought about this situation before hand.

4. On the trip home, screeners with the Transportation Security Administration at Los Angeles International Airport found it deep in the outside pocket of a carry-on cooler.

So why wasn't it found on the outbound trip. Xray equipment doesn't care if it was "deep inside" something.

5. "This is not the way my country should be treating me," she said. My concern is that if that's the way they're treating American citizens I would hate to think how they're treating other people. It's crazy." It looks like she went into the airport prepared for a confrontation.

She sounds like a trouble maker who is thinking lawsuit or wanted some ammo for the leftwing to attack the homeland security laws. I'd love to know her politics (and if she were a conservative, I'm sure the article would have told me).

89 posted on 06/03/2005 5:37:07 AM PDT by laredo44 (Liberty is not the problem)
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To: ActionNewsBill
You think that this 57 YO grandma is being used by the terrorists for nefarious purposes?

I think this 57yo grandma COULD be used by terrorists. That is why screening her is the right thing to do.

90 posted on 06/03/2005 5:38:14 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: Hunble

"Without outstanding citizens such as you, we could all be murdered by little old ladies with their dangerous wheel chairs. "

You don't think a terrorist could rig a wheel chair as a remotely detonated bomb without the knowledge of the 'little old lady'? Do you really think that one must be muslim and from the middle east to be a threat?

BTW, I do appreciate your awarding me the title of 'outstanding citizen'. It means so much to me.


91 posted on 06/03/2005 5:38:35 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Be careful what you ask for, you may get it.)
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To: ActionNewsBill
You think that this 57 YO grandma is being used by the terrorists for nefarious purposes?
Unbelievable.

Terrorists learn. In 1993 they used a car bomb in an effort to destroy the WTC. Didn't work. The US investigation revealed that, structurally, the WTC was built to survive the impact of a jetliner. Great. When the terrorists tried again, they didn't use a car-bomb. They didn't use a jetliner. They used TWO jetliners. Terrorists learn.

If innocent old ladies are allowed on jetliners with knives, terrorists will learn from that. And at some point in the future, an indoctrinated or duped old lady will be on a plane with a knife. And she will hand it to an athletic young man with a turban.

Terrorists learn.

92 posted on 06/03/2005 5:39:04 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: DugwayDuke
They can also use threats against family members as well. But if you're just looking for an excuse to bash the Bush administration, this will work as well as any.

Correct. Is it me or is FR sounding more like DU?

93 posted on 06/03/2005 5:39:33 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: Admin Moderator

To unknown: Sick-ass SOB! get back to DU where you belong, and take your Nazi scum pals with you!


94 posted on 06/03/2005 5:39:37 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: JimRed
I have always laughed about this knife issue.

In my home, I have many ceramic knives that would pass though the airport metal detectors and never be detected.


95 posted on 06/03/2005 5:40:16 AM PDT by Hunble (Retired after 20 years with the U.S. Army)
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To: ActionNewsBill
Fines issued for knives and other sharp objects range from $250 to $1,500. Fines issued for firearms discovered in carry-on luggage range from $1,500 to $7,500.

It doesn't sound as though this was a sharp item.

That Israeli security guy in LA a while back that shot that terrorist has it about right. Authorities in the US don't know much about security. They only know how to annoy people.

96 posted on 06/03/2005 5:41:33 AM PDT by stevem
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To: Hunble
"That is true, since President Bush could sign an Executive Order to halt this TSA stupidity at any time."

I don't think he can.

The way I understand EO's they only have jurisdiction on federal property.

The blame is definitely placed on the Republicans.

A Republican Congress passed a Democrat conceived bill, (make no mistake about it, this type of unconstitutional legislation, the Patriot Act, has been brewing in the bowels of the federal bureaucracy for years, whom are all Democrats) and a Republican president signed it.

So much for "conservatives" conserving the Constitution.

The ultimate responsibility and blame for the loss of life and destruction of private property by airplanes being used as missiles on 9/11 is on the shoulders of all of the citizens, politicians, and judges who have supported the unconstituional activity of our federal government.

That unconstitutional activity was the prohibition of a private property owners, the airlines, from exerting their Amendment II and Amendment IX right to invite their customer's to help secure their property and fellow passengers safety from the terror of a hijacker, by letting them bring their arms onboard.

No terrorist would ever attempt to hijack an airplane with the possibility of 10, 30, 70 armed passengers on board.

The probabiliy of success would be virtually zero.

We unconstitutionally disarm ourselves, then act surprised when we become victims of crimminals and terrorists.

The defniniton of insane is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

97 posted on 06/03/2005 5:42:39 AM PDT by tahiti
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To: Hatteras
"Well, maybe at least she'll think twice the next time she suspends some 1st grader for drawing a picture of a knife or gun."

Touche'

98 posted on 06/03/2005 5:42:49 AM PDT by OldEagle (We might be in the end times, but it looks like we are finally moving in the RIGHT direction.)
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To: DugwayDuke
Do you really think that one must be muslim and from the middle east to be a threat?

No, all Muslims from anywhere are suspect, as well as all the liberals they manage to dupe!

99 posted on 06/03/2005 5:43:29 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: AndyJackson

"A butter knife? Man get f'n real."

This 'butter knife' was five and one half inches long with a serrated edge. Could it have been used as a weapon? Certainly.

The woman was well aware that it was a prohibited item but was to lackadaisical to make sure her luggage was free of such items. One can only wonder just how careful she was to ensure other items were not packed in her bag as well.


100 posted on 06/03/2005 5:43:33 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Stpuidity can be a self-correcting problem.)
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