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Michael Jackson Verdict Watch (Live Thread-[Update-Not Guilty ALL Counts])
Court TV; MSNBC; Fox ^ | June 3, 2005

Posted on 06/03/2005 12:26:19 PM PDT by Howlin

Bayliffs being sworn in, alternatives have been sent home!

This circus is about to be in the hands of the jury!

Bets? Predictions?


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To: Txsleuth

Geraldo and MJ must have had milk and cookies together. That's another weird thing. I thought Geraldo was a regular guy, not a closet wacko. I misunderstood.


301 posted on 06/03/2005 2:35:12 PM PDT by BobS
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To: somerville

6 footer and 100 lbs. He should be on a death watch already.


302 posted on 06/03/2005 2:36:00 PM PDT by Broker (NoLikoJacko)
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To: Howlin

How many posts do you think this thread will have by the time the verdict is given?

Remember, there is a weekend---perhaps the people that post mostly on the weekends will post then...


303 posted on 06/03/2005 2:36:07 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: conservativebabe

You're not a blonde, are you? (g) couldn't resist!!


304 posted on 06/03/2005 2:36:53 PM PDT by ken5050
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To: Howlin

I suspect that it might boil down to the fact these jurors have to live in this town long after Michael Jackson goes wherever he goes. So my gut instinct is he does not walk on all charges.
I am not sure he can emotionally handle Corcharan, the man is a basket case and has not even been found guilty yet.


305 posted on 06/03/2005 2:36:58 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Howlin

I hear he likes a hung jury....


306 posted on 06/03/2005 2:37:02 PM PDT by Greek
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To: SoVaDPJ

I'm always amazed that juries ever come to an agreement at all, given all those different kinds of personalities and temperaments thrown into one room.


307 posted on 06/03/2005 2:37:35 PM PDT by somerville
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To: Txsleuth

I think Napalitano is full of crap most of the time.


308 posted on 06/03/2005 2:37:42 PM PDT by conservativebabe
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To: BobS

309 posted on 06/03/2005 2:37:49 PM PDT by petercooper (Put Mark Levin on the Supreme Court.)
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To: Txsleuth; ken5050
Jurors gone for the day! It will be next week, dang it!
310 posted on 06/03/2005 2:38:46 PM PDT by Howlin (Up or down on Janice Brown!)
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To: pcottraux

Don't forget Michael Skakel, that Kennedy-by-proxy-was also convicted. And he had so-called celebrity lawyer Mickey Sherman !


311 posted on 06/03/2005 2:39:02 PM PDT by somerville
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To: Txsleuth

I guess because of the nature of the offense(s) and not knowing how this particular jury makeup will sway that it's too early for me to say he'll win or lose.

He certainly has no sympathy from me, but I can't help feeling that he's a pervert pedophile that was manuevered into molesting this kid while the kid's mother probably knew what was likely to happen. Just my feelings though. I haven't really followed everything that well.


312 posted on 06/03/2005 2:39:16 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Howlin

so will JRB, Pryor and Bolton..


313 posted on 06/03/2005 2:39:40 PM PDT by ken5050
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To: conservativebabe

I USED to think a lot of him---but lately, his opinions have swayed WAY to left for me...


314 posted on 06/03/2005 2:40:10 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: Txsleuth

Jurors are gonna work at home this weekend..(g)


315 posted on 06/03/2005 2:41:05 PM PDT by ken5050
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

I thought Stu Sutcliffe got his head kicked by a couple of German teddy boys.


316 posted on 06/03/2005 2:41:51 PM PDT by somerville
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To: yarddog

I believe you're talking about John Gotti. If so, he deserved what he got. He spent 23 hours a day in lockdown. 1 hour for outside excersise. He was a brutal killer as well as a POS for contracting murder. He spent his sentence at the federal correctional facility in Marion, Illinois. That was built to replace Alcatraz. the worst of the worst were sent there up until the Supermax in Colorado opened. I had zero compassion for Gotti.


317 posted on 06/03/2005 2:43:01 PM PDT by NCC-1701 (AN ACTIVIST JUDICIARY IS A CULT!!!!! IT MUST BE ERADICATED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH.)
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To: ken5050

LOL! Do highlights count? JK. Nope, a brown-eyed brunette.


318 posted on 06/03/2005 2:43:23 PM PDT by conservativebabe
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To: Broker

Dee Dee is dead !


319 posted on 06/03/2005 2:43:45 PM PDT by somerville
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To: ken5050

YAY---I would much rather watch/discuss those people than MJ!!!!

Don't forget that John Kerry is supposed to get up on the Senate floor on Monday and call for impeachment for
Bush because of the Downing Street memo...he says, anyway!


320 posted on 06/03/2005 2:44:11 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: Howlin

Thought it's probably already been answered, I think they were referring to the 25-minute tape defense played to end. Wacko said, "Before you judge me, love me." on the tape.


321 posted on 06/03/2005 2:44:29 PM PDT by mombonn (íViva Bush/Cheney!)
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To: Howlin

Oh well, it just give us more time to come up with clever jokes and insults.


322 posted on 06/03/2005 2:44:34 PM PDT by conservativebabe
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To: ken5050

We better rest up!


323 posted on 06/03/2005 2:44:42 PM PDT by Howlin (Up or down on Janice Brown!)
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To: duffthor

Not sure about California. If not, they should.


324 posted on 06/03/2005 2:45:10 PM PDT by NCC-1701 (AN ACTIVIST JUDICIARY IS A CULT!!!!! IT MUST BE ERADICATED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH.)
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To: somerville

I think a lot of how juries work depends on the diplomacy of the foreman or forewoman. I know there were a couple of people I just couldn't deal with, a couple of "I got nothing else to do so I'm stonewalling types, so I asked one of the guys to help me out.


325 posted on 06/03/2005 2:45:20 PM PDT by SoVaDPJ
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To: Txsleuth

>NO--what is chilling, is that he WILL get let off and he IS guilty of this crap...

Neither putting an innocent man through an expensive hell of public humiliation, nor releasing a child molester to prey again, sound particularly appealing. I haven't been following the trial closely, but it sounds as though he will probably be exonerated due to good lawyering, whether or not he is guilty.

His kids are sure to eventually receive lucrative offers to tell their "Daddy Dearest" stories. If they do, once again people will ask if they were financially motivated to lie. If "Daddy molested me!" is worth $1 million, and "Daddy didn't molest me!" is worth nothing...


326 posted on 06/03/2005 2:45:32 PM PDT by TChad
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To: Howlin

This guy is going to walk. Black entertainers always walk. If he were a white guy and slept with little boys, he'd be thrown in the poky for the rest of his life.


327 posted on 06/03/2005 2:47:20 PM PDT by rambo316
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To: somerville
I thought Stu Sutcliffe got his head kicked by a couple of German teddy boys.

That fight did take place and one where Lennon defended Sutcliffe. But according to Sutcliffe's sister Lennon also caused his head injuries that eventually killed him. It's never been proven, just alleged:

Ex-Beatle's Sister Says Lennon Killed Her Brother

328 posted on 06/03/2005 2:47:27 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: SoVaDPJ

OOPSY---I am getting Hannity on tape delay, and he has Geraldo on again...with Pat Lalama of Celebrity Justice...

Geraldo and Pat really arguing---says the evidence is superfluous...

BTW, I think the defense using a tape of Michael talking and making excuses, shouldn't have been allowed, because he couldn't be cross examined.


329 posted on 06/03/2005 2:49:32 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

Thanks for the Beatles tip.


330 posted on 06/03/2005 2:50:28 PM PDT by somerville
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To: Howlin

Anyone taking bets on how long they'll deliberate?

Verdict today or not till Monday or later?


331 posted on 06/03/2005 2:51:32 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: TChad

I'm not thinking of his kids financial future, I am thinking of their physical and psychological futures...

BUT, you are right---they will make more if the details are more salacious...


332 posted on 06/03/2005 2:51:41 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: rambo316

"Black entertainers always walk."

Huh ?

How about James Brown, in jail for a couple of years in the 1990's ? Chuck Berry has been in jail. Then there's Whitney Houston's lovely(sarcasm) hubby Bobby Brown. I'm sure others will come to mind.


333 posted on 06/03/2005 2:51:55 PM PDT by somerville
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To: IMissPresidentReagan

I think it is 8 women and 4 men with six of the jurors having little boys.


334 posted on 06/03/2005 2:52:58 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: pointsal

Well, the dude sure seems nervous with all these "illnesses" that he seems to keep having.


335 posted on 06/03/2005 2:53:46 PM PDT by conservativebabe
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To: Txsleuth

I thought that myself--but isn't it to make up for allowing prior bad acts?


336 posted on 06/03/2005 2:55:44 PM PDT by SoVaDPJ
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To: Howlin

Jackson not guilty----Jury gets twenty years in the electric chair.


337 posted on 06/03/2005 2:57:20 PM PDT by boothead
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To: somerville

No problem, I just heard about it myself not too long ago.


338 posted on 06/03/2005 2:57:44 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

It's a recent allegation. Seems both Ringo & Sir Paul said something to the effect that it's just another "story". Astrud also said it wasn't true, so I guess I'd believe the 40+ year old version than a recent one done for dubious reasons ($$).


339 posted on 06/03/2005 3:04:32 PM PDT by MrLee
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To: corbe
I think he surrendered his passport at the beginning of the process - and he doesn't have the cash to pull a Robert Vesco escape-to-Belize maneuver.

I have concern that he will walk. This is an inherently tough case to prove. He chooses victim who will be certain to have shady and defective parents - for whom motive will be easy to show. He has (had) substantial cash and uses it to intimidate and silence victims.

I heard the repulsive Geraldo Rivera comment that he was not guilty and that he found it impossible to believe that Jackson would engage in abuse immediately after the crisis caused by the Bashir documentary. Which just goes to show that Geraldo doesn't know much. The recidivism rate on childe molesters/abusers is very high - for a reason. They cannot control their impulse to abuse children. It's not as if it would be reasonable to expect Michael Jackson to take inventory of the state of his career and to elect not to molest a child because of the potential impact it would have in the aftermath of the PR catastrophe of that documentary.

If he walks - I say hats off to Sneddon for taking on this inherently difficult prosecution. At least he wasn't willing to stand by like Michael Jackson's "posse" of bodyguards, press flaks and enablers.

340 posted on 06/03/2005 3:06:06 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: Howlin

If he gets convicted I pray the media drops the "king of pop" line.

I'll bet the won't though. We'll be treated to news reports every few years about how the "king of pop" did this in prison or filed an appeal or is fielding proposals from the San Diego Zoo.

:-)


341 posted on 06/03/2005 3:06:29 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: ken5050

You're right. It's time to draw up a schedule to work around votes and verdicts!


342 posted on 06/03/2005 3:07:21 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: berkeleybeej
"If convicted, he will have a bad time in prison! Prisoners do have compassion for children, and they very much dislike child killers and abusers!

"I don't think he'll have to worry -- the government will put him in super protective surroundings, he'll probably have his own personal security guard. Other prisoners won't be allowed anywhere near him."

He probably will have his own umbrella man with him!

343 posted on 06/03/2005 3:12:00 PM PDT by Sen Jack S. Fogbound (Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead !)
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To: MrLee
so I guess I'd believe the 40+ year old version than a recent one done for dubious reasons ($$).

Very well could be for the money and with both parties dead we'll never know what really happened.

344 posted on 06/03/2005 3:13:29 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: tet68
I'm sure Inspecterette apreciates your sense of humor as much as I do. "Elk roping" yeeee haw!!

Back to Jacko!
I bet the jury isn't going to like it that Jackson's lawyer made so many empty promises in his opening. And really mad that instead of Jackson testifying, they have to watch him on video...again. I bet they think that's a cheezy cheap trick...I bet they resent it.

345 posted on 06/03/2005 3:14:13 PM PDT by YaYa123 (@I Boldly Predict This Jury Will Find Wacko Jacko Guilty of Child Molestation.com)
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To: Howlin

Not Guilty on all counts. If found guilty Jackson will be dead within 24 hrs from suicide.


346 posted on 06/03/2005 3:23:56 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache ( "I think she did too much coke, ahh you think so Doctor?")
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To: Dansong
guilty of child molestation, and, guilty to contributing to the delinquency of a minor (by plying the kids with booze)

If that is the case, his punishment will be a $100 fine and 100 hours community service ;-)

347 posted on 06/03/2005 3:29:18 PM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: somerville
"Black entertainers always walk."...Huh? How about James Brown, in jail for a couple of years...I'm sure others will come to mind.

Leadbelly!

348 posted on 06/03/2005 3:31:09 PM PDT by Graymatter
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To: conservativebabe

yet still without a TAGLINE...


349 posted on 06/03/2005 3:51:39 PM PDT by ken5050
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To: scott7278

"I either did or I didn't. Likewise, I may or may not. Here's an expert analysis from CNN:"

LOL.


350 posted on 06/03/2005 4:02:29 PM PDT by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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