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King to push crackdown on illegal immigration (Steve King - IA "Put our military on the border.")
Gazette Online ^ | 6/3/2005

Posted on 06/03/2005 5:26:31 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak

Edited on 06/03/2005 5:32:39 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

DES MOINES, IA - Rep. Steve King, R- Iowa, called Friday for deploying the military to seal the borders against illegal immigration, coupled with new financial penalties for companies that hire illegals.

"The destination of America is going to be shaped alot by immigration policy," said King, who said he will introduce legislation "in the next several weeks."

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"Congressman King? Karl Rove is on line 1 for you..."
1 posted on 06/03/2005 5:26:33 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak; gubamyster; HiJinx

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2 posted on 06/03/2005 5:27:04 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

"Karl Rove is on line 1 for you. He is wanting to know just who you think you are working for, the people or the Party?


3 posted on 06/03/2005 5:28:25 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, Employers use 888-464-4218)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

Hmmmmm,... more Congressional voices are saying seal the border. Hmmmmmm,..... could it be that they are slowley getting the message?


4 posted on 06/03/2005 5:30:08 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

"DES MOINES, IA - Rep. Steve King, R- Iowa, called Friday for deploying the military to seal the borders against illegal immigration, coupled with new financial penalties for companies that hire illegals."

Representative King, have you voted for the huge manpower increases that would be required for the military to perform this mission while also fighting the war on terror around the world?

I didn't think so.


5 posted on 06/03/2005 5:30:18 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

We could use the National Guard. Their mission should be changed back to what it once was.


6 posted on 06/03/2005 5:32:40 PM PDT by monkeywrench (http://ciudadano.presidencia.gob.mx/peticion/peticion.htm -Tell Vicente)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
....coupled with new financial penalties for companies that hire illegals.

Let's not forget cutting off all their freebees.

7 posted on 06/03/2005 5:34:15 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: monkeywrench

"We could use the National Guard."

OK, has Representative King voted for the huge manpower increases that would be required for the National Guard to perform this mission, and the massive amounts of money needed to call the National Guard into federal service indefinitely?


8 posted on 06/03/2005 5:36:06 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
"has Representative King voted for the huge manpower increases that would be required for the National Guard to perform this mission, and the massive amounts of money needed to call the National Guard into federal service indefinitely?"

Have they had a vote on that?

9 posted on 06/03/2005 5:39:48 PM PDT by monkeywrench (http://ciudadano.presidencia.gob.mx/peticion/peticion.htm -Tell Vicente)
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To: SandRat

It's too late. For different reasons, many people have made our borders exist only on maps.


10 posted on 06/03/2005 5:41:42 PM PDT by Mr. Keys
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To: monkeywrench

"Have they had a vote on that?"

Has he proposed any such increases in manpower and funding?

I didn't think so.


11 posted on 06/03/2005 5:42:25 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse
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To: SandRat

Yipppeee!! One more on our side. Now, how many more to go?


12 posted on 06/03/2005 5:43:41 PM PDT by Serenissima Venezia (Hoping to be a California Vigil Antie for the Minuteman Project)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Nice twist.. :-)

More funding of anything, anymore is just money in a black hole. They did vote for 20,000 more BP, but the President thwarted it.

13 posted on 06/03/2005 5:45:39 PM PDT by monkeywrench (http://ciudadano.presidencia.gob.mx/peticion/peticion.htm -Tell Vicente)
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To: monkeywrench
Their mission should be changed back to what it once was.

Should, could, would, whatever. The game has changed, and it won't be changed back.

As an Army vet, I'm against placing soldiers on the border because the Commander in Chief is the President. A change of the administration can easily remove our soldiers from there, and not even Congress could stop it.

What is needed is Border Patrol agent numbers vastly increased. Two thousand is a joke. That number probably could be increased to 12-15,000 easily. The only concern I have about that is the union of the BP getting far too powerful. But I'll still take those short-term problems to increase border security and to keep soldiers off that border.

After Clinton, I thought we had our fill of playing politics with our soldiers.


14 posted on 06/03/2005 5:47:34 PM PDT by rdb3 (Yeah, but what's it spelled backwards?)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
Rep King is very smart and politically astute it appears.

"It's judges and the borders, stupid"

15 posted on 06/03/2005 5:48:06 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
The Constitution says; Article I, Section 8, "The Congress shall have the power to....To provide for the calling forth the Militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and Repel Invasions;"

Since we are being invaded and the laws of the Union are being violated I agree that the Militia should be called up and placed on both the north and south borders to protect the laws and the American people.
16 posted on 06/03/2005 5:54:18 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: SandRat
"Hmmmmm,... more Congressional voices are saying seal the border. Hmmmmmm,..... could it be that they are slowley getting the message?"

Not necessarily. The message they're getting is that the Dems are going to use this as an issue if the Republicans don't get off their behinds and do something about it.

17 posted on 06/03/2005 5:56:47 PM PDT by sageb1
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To: kingattax
Rep King is very smart and politically astute it appears.

Oh, he is.

18 posted on 06/03/2005 5:58:50 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ( "We, the people, are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts..." -Abraham Lincoln)
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To: rdb3
Actually, there isn't much point to putting anyone from govt. at the border, as they have their hands tied when there. Kolbe and his ilk, certin sector chiefs, and Homeland Security honchos have all created problems, lately, and it's not hard to see where that's going.

I know the dems would like the extra union voters, but it's pointless for any other reason.

19 posted on 06/03/2005 6:02:20 PM PDT by monkeywrench (http://ciudadano.presidencia.gob.mx/peticion/peticion.htm -Tell Vicente)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

>>>Representative King, have you voted for the huge manpower increases that would be required for the military to perform this mission while also fighting the war on terror around the world?

There are plenty of troops in places that could be put on the border without a huge manpower increase. There's also the National Guard.


20 posted on 06/03/2005 6:05:53 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Life's a beach - and Liberals are like the sand that gets in your swimsuit...)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Aliens are a very important source of low cost labor for US employers. If this dingleheaded Congresman succeeds in cutting off the supply of cheap, hard working Mexican labor, inflation will result.

Frankly, this sounds left wing, insofar as it represents protectionism for US workers.

Remember, as Freepers, we beleive in free and open markets for goods, services, capital and labor.That is how economic efficency is generated.


21 posted on 06/03/2005 6:07:04 PM PDT by Teplukin
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To: Teplukin
Frankly, this sounds left wing

It appears you have your wings mixed up. Protecting our borders in a time of war and cutting off taxpayer benefits to non-citizens is about as far from "left wing" as can be imagined.

22 posted on 06/03/2005 6:14:36 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: rdb3
"As an Army vet, I'm against placing soldiers on the border because the Commander in Chief is the President. A change of the administration can easily remove our soldiers from there, and not even Congress could stop it."

Article I, Section 8, Clause 15

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions:

Article II, Section 2, Clause 1

The President shall be Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several States, when called into the actual service of the United States;

Now what is interesting is that Congress has to depend upon the President to sign the bill that they pass in order for it to become law.

The Congress can of course, override that refusal, and thus the President is "forced" to lead the "militia" as the Congress has ordered via their enumerated power.

His refusal may then be grounds for impeachment.

I hope this is reason for the legislation Rep. King as introduced. I have written my congressman 3 times and suggested the same.

23 posted on 06/03/2005 6:17:32 PM PDT by tahiti
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To: Teplukin

????????http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1396119/posts?page=9#9


24 posted on 06/03/2005 6:17:58 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: B4Ranch

You are off the Christmas card list too!!


25 posted on 06/03/2005 6:18:45 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
THANK YOU for linking to the Printer Friendly version of the article.

Those of us trapped in 56K dialup HELL really appreciate it!

26 posted on 06/03/2005 6:21:07 PM PDT by upchuck (If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak; Teplukin
lol.....you schizoid, Teplukin?

Or perhaps you've been "enlightened" by the pro-illegals crowd?

27 posted on 06/03/2005 6:21:29 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: rdb3
That number probably could be increased to 12-15,000 easily. The only concern I have about that is the union of the BP getting far too powerful. But I'll still take those short-term problems to increase border security and to keep soldiers off that border.

Trying to cover the borders is a fools errand. Slam a few employers - they're easier to catch.

Make about a half dozen examples in each industry & the rest will ge the message fast.

28 posted on 06/03/2005 6:26:30 PM PDT by skeeter ("What's to talk about? It's illegal." S Bono)
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To: upchuck

I try, doesn't work with every paper, unfortunately.


29 posted on 06/03/2005 6:27:53 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: Teplukin
"[Illegal] Aliens are a very important source of low cost labor for US employers."

Will you ever learn the difference between legal and illegal aliens? Hint: Illegal aliens are a very big problem for America, something the pro-illegal alien lobby cares nothing about. Like you, all they want is cheap labor.

Meanwhile, the invasion continues and our schools, hospitals and infrastructure continue to deteriorate under the onslaught.

"Remember, as Freepers, we beleive in free and open markets for goods, services, capital and labor.That is how economic efficency is generated."

Remember, as Freepers, we believe in the rule of law. Loyal Americans insist on protecting American sovereignty, secure borders, and the preservation of American culture, customs, traditions and language. Those are our values.

Do you share those same values?

30 posted on 06/03/2005 6:29:59 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

If I shutup and donate the required amount, I can buy my way back on it.


31 posted on 06/03/2005 6:30:46 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, Employers use 888-464-4218)
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To: Mr. Mojo; Teplukin
You should really read some more Victor Davis Hanson, Teplukin.

Start with "Mexifornia". The followup will be "Connecticutexico"

32 posted on 06/03/2005 6:34:35 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: Teplukin
Aliens are a very important source of low cost labor for US employers. If this dingleheaded Congresman succeeds in cutting off the supply of cheap, hard working Mexican labor, inflation will result.

What you describe is a Ponzi scheme. Ponzi schemes don't work. Ponzi schemes are destined to fail. There is only some many people that can inhabit a country. At the point of over population, what do you have? According to your theory, you have a country that's destined to fail.

Frankly, this sounds left wing, insofar as it represents protectionism for US workers.

Frankly speaking, and quite frankly, I am being frank, the protection of ones sovereign borders is not left wing.

Remember, as Freepers, we beleive in free and open markets for goods, services, capital and labor.That is how economic efficency is generated.

You confuse anarchy with what is our Constitutional Republic.

33 posted on 06/03/2005 6:38:55 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Teplukin
"Remember as Freepers..."

Frankly I'll do my own thinking. Our country is being looted and and the ride is almost over. Wide open borders have nothing to do with correcting it.
34 posted on 06/03/2005 6:57:00 PM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668)
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To: B4Ranch

I wish Rove would call ME. I could muster up some creative rhetoric to toss at him......some he would not soon forget.


35 posted on 06/03/2005 7:08:47 PM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

Start with "Mexifornia". The followup will be "Connecticutexico"

As a CT resident :( .... I hear ya!


36 posted on 06/03/2005 7:13:10 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: rdb3
We tried to seal a 66 mile stretch of border in Operation Gatekeeper.

Double fences (some concrete and steel), guard towers, flood lights inferred cameras, ground sensors, patrol roads, horse patrols, ATV patrols, 16 helicopters, fixed wing aircraft, unmanned aerial vehicles, trucks, and a ratio of 25 guards per mile were incorporated.

It was successful in reducing the number if immigrants crossing at that sector. Most just went further East to cross, but still about two hundred thousand are caught each year trying to cross, and another estimated 30 to 40 thousand make it across undetected each year. They dig under, climb over and break through the fences. That’s an average of 454 to 606 per mile per year.

Extrapolating the cost/benefit results of Operation Gatekeeper to the entire 105,000 mile coastline and land borders of the United States, these are the numbers I calculated.

At 25 guards per mile at $175,000 per guard, it would cost $459,375,000,000.00 per year and still 47,670,000 to 63,630,000 people could cross undetected into the U.S. each year.

Now I don’t claim that my numbers are precisely accurate. Some numbers, such as number of border jumpers are estimates, and other numbers are from newspapers instead of government sources. $175,000 per guard is what Congress budgets. If anyone has official numbers they wish to substitute I would welcome the corrections. (Any Congressman could request an estimate from the CBO if the magic fence idea wasn't such a joke to begin with)

37 posted on 06/03/2005 7:19:29 PM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

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38 posted on 06/03/2005 7:22:32 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: bayourod

And would require 2.65 million guards.


39 posted on 06/03/2005 7:22:51 PM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: rdb3

The State Governors have the authority to place State Guard troops within 60 feet of the US/Mexico border anytime they roust up the courage.


40 posted on 06/03/2005 7:32:15 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, Employers use 888-464-4218)
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To: B4Ranch

Karl Marx Rove already has a name for Rep. Steve King, R- Iowa, a party HACK.


41 posted on 06/03/2005 7:33:45 PM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: bayourod
You are full of it Bayou. Deputize All leo's to enforce All laws; including immigration. I hope you and the other pro illegal alien supporters are saving your money. You are going to have to pay the fines or join them in jail for hiring persons of unkown origin. We are at war.
42 posted on 06/03/2005 7:33:56 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles (Ha!)
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To: Keith in Iowa
There are plenty of troops in places that could be put on the border without a huge manpower increase. There's also the National Guard.

We could easily raise the manpower by letting all sex offenders out on parole with the understanding they have to finish the rest of the sentence as BP AND as a spif, they get to grope every illegal they apprehend. Just watch the number of arrests skyrocket!!!

43 posted on 06/03/2005 7:35:30 PM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: bayourod

We could expend $16 million per mile for the entire 2500 mile length and still save more than the $41 billion a year the illegal aliens cost taxpayers.


44 posted on 06/03/2005 7:38:17 PM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak; JohnHuang2; keri; international american; Kay Soze; jpsb; hershey; ...
Light at the end of the tunnel?

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"The destination of America is going to be shaped alot by immigration policy," said King, who said he will introduce legislation "in the next several weeks."

45 posted on 06/03/2005 7:42:25 PM PDT by Happy2BMe ("Viva La Migra" - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: axes_of_weezles
If all our soldiers are walking the border who's going to fight our wars?
If all our police are busy chasing suspected illegals who is going to protect us from criminals?

Who's next on you list of border duty conscripts?
Fireman? Who would fight the fires?
Mail men? Who would deliver the mail?
Teachers? Who would teach our students?
Proctologists?

46 posted on 06/03/2005 7:45:24 PM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: Uhhuh35; B4Ranch

Private contractors may become involved if there ever is a mass exodus of illegal aliens back to Mexico (for whatever reason).


48 posted on 06/03/2005 7:50:07 PM PDT by Happy2BMe ("Viva La Migra" - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: bayourod; international american; Happy2BMe

You are working under the assumption that every single mile would require 25 guards. I will suggest that number can be reduced to 6. Daylight crossings are not common. 3 guards for 24 hours performing actual guard/spotter duty per mile. 3 roving guards performing armed control per mile. Remember one armed man can control 100 unarmed men.

$175,000 ANNUALLY per guard seems reasonable considering rear support, etc.

$459,375,000,000.00 would be reduced to 1.15 billion. Just slightly over the one day cost of the war in Iraq.

If all public benefit applicants were scanned for US citizens only and employers were required to use 888-464-4218 before hiring anyone the costs of public benefit would be reduced rapidly. Quite so much that I am positive there would be a cost savings.


49 posted on 06/03/2005 7:52:38 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, Employers use 888-464-4218)
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To: azhenfud
The majority of people in the country illegally originally enter legally. No number of border guards would change that.

And if we could seal the 2000 mile Mexican border, there is still the remaining 103,000 shoreline and other land borders. Remember the boat people?

And most drugs are brought in by plane, sea and by bribing guards at crossing points. Those routes would be used to smuggle illegals if the land borders were sealed.

Trying to seal the border is a useless exercise in wasteful spending. Only token efforts will ever be made, and only to appease a small but vocal group that doesn't recognize the futility of the exercise.

50 posted on 06/03/2005 7:55:21 PM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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