Skip to comments.End Of Days: When America Falls
Posted on 06/04/2005 12:04:01 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
No country lasts forever. Thats an inarguable fact.
History reveals three primary reasons why countries fall, governments change and ways of life vanish.
The Taliban, Saddam, Nazis and many other governments fell because of war with other nations.
Revolutions brought on by internal strife, an insurgency, social unrest and disillusionment, reduced respect and admiration of the nations military (note that the Marines and Army are finding it very difficult and sometimes impossible to meet their recruiting goals), loss or reduction of social values and norms, and political extremism bring down some governments. Examples include Iran in 1979, France in the late 18 th Century, China in the late 1940s, and Mexico and Russia in the early 20 th Century.
Sometimes governments just quit for a variety of reasons, resulting in ethnic fragmentation, like in the case of the Soviet Union.
Perhaps you noted that America is currently suffering from two of the three aforementioned reasons why countries fall.
Right now, America is fighting a type of warglobal asymmetric warfarethat has never been fought before by any nation. Our enemies wear no uniforms, abide by no rules, attack civilian targets, are in 90 countries including our own and want every American dead and the country destroyed.
We are suffering from political extremism mostly on the left; a clear reduction of social values and norms; widespread disillusionment when it comes to the war, social issues, politics, and the economy; and even some strife (a huge homeless population, high bankruptcy rate, a massive illegal alien population consisting of between 16 and 20 million people, etc.).
What makes many Americans think America is invulnerable to collapse or destruction? Such a belief is spectacularly arrogant.
History applies to all countries. According to history, we are far more at risk than what most Americans believe.
Extremists in the media (the Denver Posts Reggie Rivers, the Rocky Mountain News Jason Salzman, the New York Times Tom Friedman, Paul Krugman and Maureen Dowd; Bill Moyers, Air Americas Al Franken, Michael Moore, Barbra Streisand, Tim Robbins, Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon, Ed Asner, et al), politics (Howard Dean, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, Rep. Barbara Boxer, Sen. Ted Kennedy, Sen. John Kerry, Sen. Robert Byrd, et al), and our collective societal commode (Ward Churchill, Louis Farrakhan, et al) are trying to dramatically change America as we know it. From their influential (upon many Americans suffering from muddy thinking) positions, such radicals fuel the flames of hate and discontent among those who are repulsed by the very idea of the United States Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Fury, frustration and disbelief replace reason and respect when these types are forced to accept major political losses and when they realize most Americans disagree with their fanatical agendas. Their shrill fanaticism acts as an accelerant in creating an emotional inferno among the followers of such would-be tyrants, which increases the chances America falling while advancing the time line for our demise.
Nevertheless, many if not most Americans, in their complacency and ignorance of history, believe we have no reason to worry; that America will always exist regardless of history and the threats currently facing our nation.
How very, very wrong they are.
I thought I was the only one with thoughts this dour. I literally fear for the continued existance of this country. Of course, I am branded a whacko if I express it.
It's true. Once upon a time, there was a place called England. One day, it just vanished. It was near the spot where the ancient nations of France and Spain and Portugal and Holland once stood. All gone. I woke up this morning, smoking hole where Canada used to be.
It's spooky, man.
I would agree if the title were "End Of Days, When CBS Falls"
President Ronald Reagan, First Inaugural Address, January 20, 1981
You are far from being a whacko... Just prepare for the civil war. I won't enjoy it, but am oddly looking forward to it...
A deer-hunter behind every tree, as Stalin said.
Someday the Sun will go nova. Someday you'll die. Deal with it.
Ah...but you didn't address (as did the original post) the enemy within.
... the enemy within ... the most insidious and deadly ...
too many different sources or groups making a clamor and demands against the good of the nation. We are in a very dangerous time and the fragmentization is increasing. God help us.
Pray and work.
Work and pray.
Take back control of your kids, take back control of your own life, take back control of your schools or build new ones. Take back control of your party or build a new one. Talk, write, work, pray.
And, just remember, the kids over in Iraq and Afghanistan are the finest soldiers we have ever fielded, and they are all coming home to take their place in this society. That will mean something, although we don't yet see it, as they each transform their piece of the world, just by being in it.
We have abandoned, if not virtually outlawed the notion that there is such a thing as Natural Law. Society has been led to marginalize those that cling to such antiquated notions as moral absolutes. Our founders envisioned a society where the people were self governing and capable of correctly disposing of coarse, offensive, and immoral behavior through its intolerance of such. Now, the intolerance of immorality is the offending behavior that demands exile. During our descent we have been told that we must reject the notion of a higher authority. Now we are told that disbelief is no longer adequate, but fashion demands we act in open defiance of the same higher authority we were told does not exist, and nobody sees the absurdity of this.
As soon as we reject the notion of moral absolutes, we reject the existence of the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and undermine the very pilings on which this nations was built.
We have met the enemy and he is us. God save us from ourselves.
Have been reading Allen Drury's Advice & Consent series for the past two weeks. What was inconceivable when he wrote (and we were reading) in the '60s is almost commonplace now. I swear today's democrat talking points come right from the mouths of Frankly Unctious, Fred Van Ackerman, Ted Jason.
The only way this country will "fall" is if good people do nothing.
I don't see that happening. I see good people all over this country standing up and pushing back against the evil influences trying to divide and destroy America.
GOD did not establish America so it could "fall".
It all started with the deregulation of human cloning.
Am I missing something here?
"We have met the enemy and he is us. God save us from ourselves."
You know we are in trouble when our own media is so obsessed with destroying everything that makes America great.
So, yes, I suppose that all nations do expire.
True, very true.
Many Americans, in an effort to discover how government slipped its leash of servitude, have rediscovered what the Founders inherently knew.
No knowledge is truly lost. It may lie dormant and unnoticed, but it patiently waits for someone seeking it to return it to the light of day.
Knowledge is truth, and truth, like a lion, needn't be defended.
It merely needs to be released from it's cage.
If by "expire" you mean "change a whole lot and not necessarily for the better." It's been hundreds of years since anyone had the privilege of dying in the same country where he was born.
Yup in 6 months we have gained "billions" of illegals who are now ready to become part of the militia!
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can exist only until voters discover that they can vote themselves largesses from the public treasury. From that time on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.IMHO, our country is very near the edge of the abyss. I hope and pray that with the Republicans controlling the White House and both Houses of Congress we can step away from the edge. But I haven't been heartened much so far.
"The average age of the world's great civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependency; from dependency back again to bondage."
The Pubies don't seem to understand that to win long term we gotta play hardball. Being "nice" may win a few battles, but it won't win the war. We need to "do what it takes to win."
Is there any doubt what the RATS would be doing if the situation were reversed [shudder].
I'm continually amazed at how little faith many Freepers seem to have in America and its people.
We're CRUSHING our enemies abroad. Sure, they may be getting some supportive editorials and soundbites from foreign media in their "asymmetric" warfare, but in a war of words vs. bullets, the bullets tend to win.
At home, the idiots like Ward Chumphill (I cannot bring myself to link the greatest Englishman's name with him), Michael Moore, etc. -- are IRRELEVANT. The bulk of the American people know nothing about Ward C. and don't give a damn what Susan Sarandon says this week.
Our enemies at home and abroad are so shrill and fanatical because their backs are against the wall and they see a star-spangled juggernaut bearing down on them with no escape. They are the last desperate howls of dying ideologies, not cries of triumph.
Sure, the United States of America as we know it won't exist forever. But to brood over defeat when we bestride the world as a colossus, unchallenged to an almost unprecendented degree -- that shows a lack of faith and self-confidence. We're _Americans_, remember? Do you really think Michael Moore and Osama bin Laden can defeat us where George III, Jeff Davis and Robert E. Lee, Kaiser Wilhelm, Hitler, Stalin and Brezhnev failed? Our enemies today are little crawling vermin compared to the monsters of the past.
Our cry should not be "O Woe is us!" but "Onward to VICTORY!"
How true...and to that might I add, from the pantheons of anti_Americans from within.
I find the insights of GK Chesterton's "What I Saw In America," to be right on target:
"The Declaration of Independence dogmatically bases all rights on the fact that God created all men equal; and it is right; for if they were not created equal, they were certainly evolved unequal. There is no basis for democracy except in a dogma about the divine origin of man."
Abandon one, surrender the other.
But the real danger to the country lies in the Imperial Judiciary. As long as a rule of law, democratically derived, is in place the great majority of the people will be satisfied to use democratic and peaceful means to bring about change. If the judiciary continues to impose an elitist law, morality, and ethos on the nation by ignoring/reinterpreting both the Constitution and the laws of the legislatures, then people will be stymied in their ability to mold the system and will despair of trying to reform it.
Of course, the left might try at any time to seize power. This is extremely unlikely to succeed in a nation where the 2nd Amendment is in force.
If America ever falls it will be because of the godless Democrats & liberals and the millions of illegal aliens we did not have to guts to round up and ship home.
America will, some day, collapse and fall.
I don't see it happening any time soon (i.e., in what's left of my life or my daughter's life).
"Yes, I think we're losing this country. blacks destroying our inner cities, mexicans overwhelming us, P.C., destroying our schools "
I put much of the blame on the MSM.
Do not forget, the objective of the Communist was to
take over education and the media.
They started this in the 60s and it is now what is destroying the US.
Countries on the short list, for me: Philippines, many of the eastern Europe countries (such as devoutly Catholic Poland), any place where homosexuality is frowned upon and Christianity is more than thinly tolerated.
Amen...and to that might I add "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance".
Air America: Failure (means nobody's listening unlike conservative talk radio)
Al Franken:Does anyone really take him seriously, come on
Michael Moore: Oh sure Hollywood loves him, but he is a coward who has been exposed as a phony.
Barbra Streisand: HA HA HA HA very important in her own mind
Robbins, Penn, Asner and Sarandon: Do these people convince anyone of anything? I doubt it.
Howard Dean:Complete fool of whom the Dems should be embarrassed .
Boxer and Feinstein: Hey California is freakin weird and weirdo's deserve representation in Washington too.
Kennedy and Byrd; One's a punch line and one's an ex-klansman, the loser party embraces them both.
John Kerry: The French looking Senator got his ass handed to him to the tune of 3-4 million voters.
Churchill and Farrakahn: Ones a fake Indian who the real Indians shun the other would fit right in with Byrd if he were white (or Byrd was black)
Citizens protecting their borders and not waiting for big brother to do it for them. New media which catches the lies of the old one and exposes them within hours.( Remember these lies have been going on unchallenged for 40 years until now). Politicians being challenged by voters within hours of their backstabbing. Political parties more beholden to the voter now than ever. Iraq is soon to become the strongest Arab country on earth and we will be their best friend.( That gives us the two strongest in the Middle East)
I say we got a long way to go before we leave this world.
Debt, drugs, and poverty are also huge factors.
The Romans didn't think the empire would fall either.
I am sorry to say, but I don't think Americans are particulary courageous, and ceretainly not morally superior, or in good enough shape to fight.
In one respect you are correct. Our internal enemies, the liberals in government, academia, the media, and their RINO and neo-con comrades, are like termites. It is foolish to under-estimate the damage they are doing to our political, economic, and social foundations.
The Romans were on a bad position on the map. If they were isolated surrounded by seas like Japan back in that time, the kamikaze may have swept the Mongolia's fleets away. If the Romans were placed on America, probably they would have less chance being threaten by Mongolia. Too bad for them.
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