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Fahrenheit 2777: 9/11 has generated the mother of all conspiracy theories
Scientific American ^ | June 05, 2005 | Michael Shermer

Posted on 06/05/2005 6:22:17 PM PDT by demlosers

Noted French left-wing activist Thierry Meyssan's 9/11 conspiracy book, L'Effroyable Imposture, became a best-seller in 2002.

But I never imagined such an "appalling deception" would ever find a voice in America. At a recent public lecture I was buttonholed by a Michael Moore–wannabe filmmaker who breathlessly explained that 9/11 was orchestrated by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the Central Intelligence Agency as part of their plan for global domination and a New World Order. That goal was to be financed by G.O.D. (Gold, Oil, Drugs) and launched by a Pearl Harbor–like attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, thereby providing the justification for war.

The evidence was there in the details, he explained, handing me a faux dollar bill (with "9-11" replacing the "1," a picture of Bush supplanting that of Washington) chockablock with Web sites.

In fact, if you type "World Trade Center" and "conspiracy" into Google, you'll get more than 250,000 hits. From these sites, you will discover that some people think the Pentagon was hit by a missile; that U.S. Air Force jets were ordered to "stand down" and not intercept Flights 11 and 175, the ones that struck the twin towers; that the towers themselves were razed by demolition explosives timed to go off soon after the impact of the planes; that a mysterious white jet shot down Flight 93 over Pennsylvania; and that New York Jews were ordered to stay home that day (Zionists and other pro-Israeli factions, of course, were involved). Books also abound, including Inside Job, by Jim Marrs; The New Pearl Harbor, by David Ray Griffin; and 9/11: The Great Illusion, by George Humphrey. The single best debunking of this conspiratorial codswallop is in the March issue of Popular Mechanics, which provides an exhaustive point-by-point analysis of the most prevalent claims.

The mistaken belief that a handful of unexplained anomalies can undermine a well-established theory lies at the heart of all conspiratorial thinking (as well as creationism, Holocaust denial and the various crank theories of physics). All the "evidence" for a 9/11 conspiracy falls under the rubric of this fallacy. Such notions are easily refuted by noting that scientific theories are not built on single facts alone but on a convergence of evidence assembled from multiple lines of inquiry.

No melted steel, no collapsed towers.

For example, according to www.911research.wtc7.net, steel melts at a temperature of 2,777 degrees Fahrenheit, but jet fuel burns at only 1,517 degrees F. No melted steel, no collapsed towers. "The planes did not bring those towers down; bombs did," says www.abovetopsecret.com. Wrong.

In an article in the Journal of the Minerals, Metals, and Materials Society and in subsequent interviews, Thomas Eagar, an engineering professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, explains why: steel loses 50 percent of its strength at 1,200 degrees F; 90,000 liters of jet fuel ignited other combustible materials such as rugs, curtains, furniture and paper, which continued burning after the jet fuel was exhausted, raising temperatures above 1,400 degrees F and spreading the inferno throughout each building. Temperature differentials of hundreds of degrees across single steel horizontal trusses caused them to sag--straining and then breaking the angle clips that held the beams to the vertical columns. Once one truss failed, others followed. When one floor collapsed onto the next floor below, that floor subsequently gave way, creating a pancaking effect that triggered each 500,000-ton structure to crumble. Conspiricists argue that the buildings should have fallen over on their sides, but with 95 percent of each building consisting of air, they could only have collapsed straight down.

All the 9/11 conspiracy claims are this easily refuted. On the Pentagon "missile strike," for example, I queried the would-be filmmaker about what happened to Flight 77, which disappeared at the same time. "The plane was destroyed, and the passengers were murdered by Bush operatives," he solemnly revealed. "Do you mean to tell me that not one of the thousands of conspirators needed to pull all this off," I retorted, "is a whistle-blower who would go on TV or write a tell-all book?"

My rejoinder was met with the same grim response I get from UFOlogists when I ask them for concrete evidence: Men in Black silence witnesses, and dead men tell no tales.


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To: ActionNewsBill

The original goal of the 1993 WTC bombers was to topple the buildings over onto surrounding buildings.

This was brought to my attention on a tour bus 9/2/2001 as I rode by the WTC.

When we left the bus at one point to shoot (distant) photos of the Statue of Liberty a passenger (all red blooded Americans going on a baseball tour) asked another, "It's the World Trade Center, aren't you going to take a picture". The other responded, "they'll all just look like tall buildings when I get home".

No point to the conspiracy (then again little needs to be done to denounce them), just offering it up in the sense of full disclosure.


51 posted on 06/05/2005 8:15:17 PM PDT by weegee (Re: immigration "Those Syrians are coming to Iraq to do the bombings that Iraqis won't do.")
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To: demlosers
In fact, if you type "World Trade Center" and "conspiracy" into Google, you'll get more than 250,000 hits

So what.  Most any FReeper can Google his/her screen name and be in the top five of a zillion hits...

Try it.

52 posted on 06/05/2005 8:15:47 PM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: Radioactive

Maybe Flight 77 disappeared over the Bermuda Triangle.

They should have wrapped the black box in tin foil.


53 posted on 06/05/2005 8:17:13 PM PDT by weegee (Re: immigration "Those Syrians are coming to Iraq to do the bombings that Iraqis won't do.")
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To: quantim

That works better with Freeper names if you use http://www.google.com/ site:www.freerepublic.com "freepername"


54 posted on 06/05/2005 8:18:36 PM PDT by weegee (Re: immigration "Those Syrians are coming to Iraq to do the bombings that Iraqis won't do.")
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To: Swiss
Looking back I have to say the X Files has done more damage to American Culture than we knew. Everyone now thinks there is a conspiracy behind everything.

Conspiracy theorists need a fantasy to live.

Its a way to explain everything in their own lives and also feel like they are "in the know".

When a fantasy is shattered, it means they really are powerless and it is their own fault and things do "just happen".

There is also a great amount of financial gain in exploiting a paranoid conspiracy driven market.

The books, TV shows, etc are all good money makers, these people are naive enough to let others take advantage of them.

I've watched people go to DU and screw with them by claiming to be supporters or agents for PNAC.

Naturally the DUmmies believe them.

55 posted on 06/05/2005 8:22:25 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: ActionNewsBill

But, as for the Pentagon, I've seen crystal clear high-resolution prints of those photographs that are in the clip on that website I linked (and more of them). They are indeed eerie how minimal the damage seems, but perception can be a very capricious thing.

The problem is that Flight 77 never arrived in Los Angeles, and I can't think of a better explanation for where it might've gone.....


56 posted on 06/05/2005 8:23:02 PM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: Radioactive
There is nothing you can say or type that that will change my mind on this.

I would love to see you tell Ted Olson this, he lost his wife in the plane that hit the Pentagon.

57 posted on 06/05/2005 8:23:18 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: quantim

I only get 1,870 hits. =(


58 posted on 06/05/2005 8:25:14 PM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: Radioactive

59 posted on 06/05/2005 8:30:13 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: demlosers

Uh-oh. You're going to send George Noory to an early
grave.


60 posted on 06/05/2005 8:35:33 PM PDT by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: ActionNewsBill
PBS had an interview with LARRY SILVERSTEIN (The World Trade Center was leased by Westfield America and Larry Silverstein, on April 26th, 2001)where he was quoted as saying : "I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it (WTC7)." And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."

That building was brought down by a controlled demolition.

In “The Bride of Frankenstein,” Dr. Frankenstein stands by a big lever and announces “If I pull this lever, this entire tower will come crashing down!” I always used to think, “Then what the hell did you put that lever there for?!?!”

Of course, posts like yours have since informed me that a “building collapse” lever is just a normal part of tower construction.

I guess they come in handy in the lack of an emergency.

61 posted on 06/05/2005 8:44:04 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: demlosers

bookmk ping


62 posted on 06/05/2005 8:44:38 PM PDT by Dad yer funny
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To: ActionNewsBill
And I will give you a few points to ponder.

So long as Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, one can imagine a rather small group of conspirators. With a bit of creativity, you can even get it down to one primary orchestrator of the whole 9/11 tragedy, who would be the only one that knows the truth about it.

But, in order to make a 757 vanish into the ether, you require a sprawling conspiracy. Who are all these people that not a single one has leaked? I don't even mean go to the media. I mean, there is not even the slightest rumor of an alternative fate for Flight 77.

Moreover, if this conspiracy is willing to crash the hijacked planes into the WTC, then why on earth not crash Flight 77 into the Pentagon? I mean, you've obviously got the plane under your control. Why go to the trouble of firing a missile or flying in yet another plane, or whatever, if you've got a perfectly good plane to crash into the Pentagon?

Think about it. You're planning to pull off this evil deed. You think to yourself, I will hijack planes and crash them into the WTC, the Pentagon, and the White House/Capital (or wherever the 4th was going), why would you then say to yourself: "Oh, but let's just make it look like a plane hit the Pentagon. Instead, we'll strike the Pentagon this way and spirit the plane off to wherever."

It just makes no sense whatsoever. Any way you dice it, there is no rational reason to just make it look as if Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.

63 posted on 06/05/2005 8:51:13 PM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: ActionNewsBill
I've seen that one before....it makes a pretty strong argument for an alternative theory to the "official"story

Didn't to me.

No more "compelling" than the guys in the sewer grates who shot JFK.

64 posted on 06/05/2005 8:55:27 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: eddie willers

Well, lemme clarify that I meant "compelling" in the sense of "fascinating" and not in the sense of "persuasive"..


65 posted on 06/05/2005 8:57:28 PM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: demlosers
But I never imagined such an "appalling deception" would ever find a voice in America. At a recent public lecture I was buttonholed by a Michael Moore–wannabe filmmaker who breathlessly explained that 9/11 was orchestrated by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the Central Intelligence Agency as part of their plan for global domination and a New World Order. That goal was to be financed by G.O.D. (Gold, Oil, Drugs) and launched by a Pearl Harbor–like attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, thereby providing the justification for war.

I'll take "Alex Jones" for $200.

66 posted on 06/05/2005 8:59:15 PM PDT by Dont Mention the War (John Bolton for White House Press Secretary!)
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To: Kath

Penn and Teller picked this apart on there show.


67 posted on 06/05/2005 9:00:45 PM PDT by JimC214
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To: demlosers
My rejoinder was met with the same grim response I get from UFOlogists when I ask them for concrete evidence: Men in Black silence witnesses, and dead men tell no tales.

This fella had some credibility with me til I read this statement...If he ain't seen one, they don't exist...50,000,000 people have reported seeing UFO's...More people have seen UFO's than have seen the Pope...I've never seen the Pope (except on tv) 'I don't believe the Pope is real'...

Conspiricists argue that the buildings should have fallen over on their sides, but with 95 percent of each building consisting of air, they could only have collapsed straight down.

This is a totally ridiculous statement...If someone is going to discredit Moore, they better find someone else...

68 posted on 06/05/2005 9:01:22 PM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park!!!)
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To: Radioactive

What about the thousands of eyewitnesses that saw the plane hit the Pentagon? Are you really that stupid?


69 posted on 06/05/2005 9:01:29 PM PDT by Figment
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To: demlosers
My rejoinder was met with the same grim response I get from UFOlogists when I ask them for concrete evidence: Men in Black silence witnesses, and dead men tell no tales.

This fella had some credibility with me til I read this statement...If he ain't seen one, they don't exist...50,000,000 people have reported seeing UFO's...More people have seen UFO's than have seen the Pope...I've never seen the Pope (except on tv) 'I don't believe the Pope is real'...

Conspiricists argue that the buildings should have fallen over on their sides, but with 95 percent of each building consisting of air, they could only have collapsed straight down.

This is a totally ridiculous statement...If someone is going to discredit Moore, they better find someone else...

70 posted on 06/05/2005 9:02:55 PM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park!!!)
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To: AntiGuv
Well, lemme clarify that I meant "compelling" in the sense of "fascinating" and not in the sense of "persuasive"..

Oh yeah....I wouldn't have gone there if I wasn't interested as well.

But the "Hitler" speech introducing the video put it in cuckoo land to start.

71 posted on 06/05/2005 9:04:10 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Sonny M
How does he know she was on a plane that hit the pentagon?

Yes she is dead. But did she really die at the pentagon?

The only way he knows is what the government told him.

If you see the only video ever seen on the pentagon hit, there is no way that it was an airplane that hit it.

You can speak of what we were told happend, but you do not really know what happend because you can only go by what you were told by government officials.

If you think....use your brain, instead of listening to what the government tells you, then we would have a much better government and not all the problems we have today.

Ask yourself this.....how do people who were poor flight students, fly a plane 2 feet off the ground without hitting anything on the ground infront of the pentagon? Even seasoned pilots say it they would not be able to accomplish what we were told happend. You have been hoodwinked.

You are not the only one who does this. The vast majority of AMericans believe everything they are told.

I still to this day do not buy the story of flight 800.

No way did Jet A explode in the center tank.No way....

ANd no way does a 747 loose it nose and then fly 13000 feet straight up.

Aerodynamically impossible.

We are being lied to.

72 posted on 06/05/2005 9:07:35 PM PDT by Radioactive (I'm on the radio..so I'm radioactive)
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To: Kirkwood
Say what you will....but I think you are just foolish to believe anything that the government tells you.

If you ever see the only video of the pentagon hit released, you would also come to the same conclusion I have.

And you post your cutesy little cartoons trying to cast dispersions.

Shame on you for not at least looking into what really happend.

People like you have been responsible for Hitler, Stalin, and all the other atrocities in history because you refused to look at the evidence and come to a logical conclusion.

Usefull idiot come to mind.

73 posted on 06/05/2005 9:11:57 PM PDT by Radioactive (I'm on the radio..so I'm radioactive)
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To: Radioactive
How does he know she was on a plane that hit the pentagon?

First off, she was able to call him from the plane, the terrorists on at least 2 of the flights had no problems letting the hostages make phone calls.

But did she really die at the pentagon?

Thats where her body was, they did recover it.

Unless you think Ted Olson is lying about his wife.

Then again, you seem disturbed enough to probably want to harass people who lost family members on that plane in that crash or the families of people at the pentagon who lost loved ones when that plane hit them.

74 posted on 06/05/2005 9:12:26 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Radioactive

http://www.skepticreport.com/tools/occamsrazor.htm


75 posted on 06/05/2005 9:14:30 PM PDT by Atheist_Canadian_Conservative
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To: Radioactive
ANd no way does a 747 loose it nose and then fly 13000 feet straight up.

Which plane are you referring to here? It doesn't sound like Flight 800.

76 posted on 06/05/2005 9:17:29 PM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: Atheist_Canadian_Conservative
I kinda like the hypothesis that a meteor hit Flight 800. I mean, it works!

no, i don't really believe that

77 posted on 06/05/2005 9:21:31 PM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: demlosers
Oh brother....


78 posted on 06/05/2005 9:25:23 PM PDT by kstewskis ("I don't know what I know, but I know that it's big..." Jerry Fletcher)
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To: Kath
Oh yeah? I don't believe anything you are saying.

I've seen the video and no way can a Boing 757 fly two feet....two feet above the ground and hit the pentagon without doing much more damage.

I think you are full of BS......see the video and tell me that I am wrong.

NO way did a 757 hit the pentagon. NO way.

Where the hell are the wings? The Engines are made to withstand temperatures far greater than what happend at the pentagon fire. ANd I've seen the supposed photos of the engine that survived....it aint from a 757 that is for sure.

DId you see the neat little hole made by this supposed aircraft strike?

Where is all the parts of the plane? There should have been much more damage to the front of the pentagon.

There should have been much more damage on the highway just 300 yards away...there should have been windows in the pentagon destroyed at least 80 feet on each side of the fuselage.....look at the photos........look at them damn it........don't just sit there and be stupid.The windows are intact...where the wings should have hit there is no damage.

Look at the evidence.....why is it that the government will not release other videos of the supposed 757 hit on the pentagon?

I'll tell you why.....it wasn't hit by a 757.

And why did CNN report that there was no evidence that a plane had it the pentagon?

And why was that report squashed by the request of the federal government?

79 posted on 06/05/2005 9:27:54 PM PDT by Radioactive (I'm on the radio..so I'm radioactive)
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To: Radioactive

Here-here-
My brother in law had recently got out of the naval press corps- When the towers were hit, then the pentagon, he called people he worked with in the pentagon previously - They saw the plane hit-some did not make it you sir, are a kook- also, by diluting the truth with half witted consiracy theories, you are cheapening the loss of people there ( and in new york). Usually, the simplest answer is correct.
Tech


80 posted on 06/05/2005 9:28:15 PM PDT by humantech ("No one wants to live to see such evil times. Its what you do with the time you are given")
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To: AntiGuv
There is no doubt in my mind that the towers were hit by aircraft.

I just find it amazing that there were people who knew it was going to happen and nothing was done.

81 posted on 06/05/2005 9:30:05 PM PDT by Radioactive (I'm on the radio..so I'm radioactive)
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To: Radioactive
Barbara Olsen was on AA77. She described that the flight path was into Washington DC. She described that the flight path was not typical for Reagan National. Her remains were later recovered from the Pentagon. Eyewitnesses saw an airliner heading in the direction of the Pentagon at a shallow angle and a low altitude. Eyewitnesses saw an American Airlines airline first strike a light pole and then strike the Pentagon. An analysis of the light-pole shows it was struck by an aircraft that then hit the Pentagon. When an aluminum aircraft filled with fuel strikes solid limestone at high rates of speed, it collapses, disintegrates, and partially vaporizes.
82 posted on 06/05/2005 9:30:09 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Radioactive

Oh, I rooted around a bit and found that Flight 800 was evidently thought to have climbed about 3000 feet after losing its forward section, but that this is under dispute (a CIA video showed about 3000 ft, the NTSB concluded about half that).


83 posted on 06/05/2005 9:31:56 PM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: Sonny M

Everything you say is true and it is so easy to create and believe a fantasy.

One day I was at McDonalds complaining to myself that you can only get Coke not Pepsi at McDonalds when I came up with a conspiracy for fun. McDonalds only buys from Coke, Coke is the main softdrink in China, Coke is also headquartered in Atlanta which is also where Ted Turner created CNN so therefore there must be a Coca-Cola McDonalds Ted Turner Cnn Chinese Communist Conspriracy.

Think about it, McDonalds colors is Red and Yellow the same as Red China and is big M on the flags and signs really for McDonalds or was Ray Kroc a fan of Mao? Coke's color is mainly Red the same as the Communists, while rival Pepsi was Red,White and Blue same as the USA's. Coke tells us "Drink Coke", "Coke is it" which is more orders than requests while Pepsi focused on choice and free will in "Choice of a new generation" or "Take the Pepsi Challenge". Coke created the "Teach the World to sing in perfect harmany" commercial which implies One World Government and Socialist Equality. Communist countries that had Pepsi as primary western soft drink import threw off their communist rulers such as Russia while countries that mainly imported Coke remained loyal to communisim such as China.

Then there is what has happened to people who worked for Pepsi. Richard Nixon was a lawyer for Pepsi at one time, Watergate. Michael Jackson made a commerical and his hair mysteriously caught fire and now he is under investigation for sex with boys. Michael J. Fox did the diet pepsi commercials and now he has been struck with Parkenson's. On the other hand Coke's people has had little problems in life, Cosby and Elton John seem to suffer little from endorsing Coke.

Oh I could go on but like I said I created it for fun but I am surprised at how easy events seem to make it true. Like the seven degrees of Kevin Bacon it is easy to find relationships.

Besides I don't drink soda anymore, just rainwater and grain alcohol to protect my precious bodily fluids.


84 posted on 06/05/2005 9:35:49 PM PDT by Swiss
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To: Radioactive

I could care less whether you believe me or not. Who are you to me. Someone joining the other nuts out there on 9/11 silly theories. I have known this man all my life and he is no liar. So wallow in your silliness. I could care less bucko.


85 posted on 06/05/2005 9:40:02 PM PDT by Kath (Luvya Dubya)
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To: demlosers

I know a guy who actually believes this crap. He also listens to Alex Jones, and visits fromthewilderness.com, and whatreallyhappened.com regularly. In effect, he has lost his mind.


86 posted on 06/05/2005 9:56:18 PM PDT by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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To: LdSentinal
Oh yeah?.He could not have seen the plane hit the pentagon because it was not a plane that hit.

Ask yourself this question...how did a 757 fly 530 MPH 2 feet above the ground...an impossible stunt...without damaging any automobiles on the highway next to the pentagon....and no damage to the lawn in front of the pentagon.

And where are the wings?......And where are the engines?.....And where are the 5300 gallons of jet a fuel?...........And why is it that a 757 was 45 minutes out of it flight path and the military did not act?

Remember Payne Stewart?......His private jet was 12 minutes out of its flight path and the military had 2 jets flying right next to it until it hit ground.

Why was a Boeing 757 allowed to be so far out of where it should be and penetrate the no fly zone in Washington?

There is just too much BS from the government here to be believed.

I think your friend did see something hit the pentagon...and obviously it did...but it was not a Boeig 757 as we were told.

And don't you find it interesting that over 75% of New Yorkers do not believe the government account of what happend on 9/11?

Flight 87 that crashed in the Bronx...it was blown up...no way did the tail section fall off.

And why is it that every time something like this hapends there are people who do not believe what they are being told by the government?

And don't you find it interesting that we no longer have code red or yellow or orange days anymore since the election?

And don't you find it interesting that we were told that the government would find out who was sending anthrax in the mail...and yet we still do not know who did it?

Flight 800....nobody in New York believes the FBI & CIA story on the fuel tank blowing up.

Nobody........So why should we believe whatever the government tells us?

87 posted on 06/05/2005 9:58:09 PM PDT by Radioactive (I'm on the radio..so I'm radioactive)
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To: Snickersnee
Keep on believeing what the government tells you.

Just don't pay attention to the facts.

And by the way...your comments do nothing to make anyone believe that what you think is right is right...it just makes you look foolish.

88 posted on 06/05/2005 10:00:26 PM PDT by Radioactive (I'm on the radio..so I'm radioactive)
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To: Kath
Aha! He must have known that the plane was going to fly into the Pentagon! He "stayed home with the kids" just long enough so he wouldn't get injured (or worse). Hmm, that's the same thing Bush did, went to Florida to read to the kids so he wouldn't be in the White House when the plane hit. (He left Laura there, but he's a Republican, so he doesn't care about her).
DANGER: PREVIOUS PARAGRAPH IS SARCASM.
89 posted on 06/05/2005 10:00:56 PM PDT by graycamel
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To: sinkspur
Ydeah...Rush thought that anyone against the patriot act was a kook too until the government used the patriot act against him with his drug use.

Ask Rush now what he thinks of the patriot act and the supposed kooks who are no longer kooks.

Your acerbic comments do nothing to bolster the argument that you have in regards to this subject.

Typical of a lesser intellect.

If the facts are there then pay attention.

Don't just accept what you are being told.

Hitler, Stalin and many other dictators have come to power because of people like you throughout history who bought hook line and sinker the lies that were told.

90 posted on 06/05/2005 10:06:03 PM PDT by Radioactive (I'm on the radio..so I'm radioactive)
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To: Radioactive
The only thing radioactive about you is your brain.

Despite the fact that many, many people saw a PLANE hit the Pentagon, you want to ignore all the eye witnesses, because you THINK you know how the crash site should have looked. If you could produce ONE eye witness who said he/she saw something other than a plane hit the Pentagon, no doubt you would be screaming for all of us to listen to an eye witness. You can't, so you simply ignore what the eye witnesses did see, since it doesn't fit your "theory".

The funny and sad part is that you think you "in the know", while the rest of us are naive sheeple being led around. YOU are the one being led around. YOU are the one who chooses to entertain absurd conspiracy theories and let complete morons fill your head with patently crazy, idiotic ideas. MOST of us have the common sense to see right through such incoherency. YOU are devoid of even that level of logical thinking. Obviously this is not the first time for you to pollute your mind with fantastical theories disguised as "the truth". You are well on your way to being completely unable to distinguish fact from fiction, fantasy from reality. Congratulations.

91 posted on 06/05/2005 10:09:25 PM PDT by GLDNGUN
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To: Radioactive

Are you posting from west or east of the Rockies?


92 posted on 06/05/2005 10:13:57 PM PDT by Right Angler
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To: GLDNGUN
The moderator must be asleep at this hour, or he'd certainly cancel several people's subscriptions tonight.

Let me check my calendar to see what the moon phase is, It must be full. (I'm checking right now)

I'm back. No, it's the new moon, but that's almost the same thing since it should have a similar effect, except in the daytime instead of nighttime.

greycamel leaves "chatroom".
93 posted on 06/05/2005 10:15:08 PM PDT by graycamel
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To: Radioactive
And why was that report squashed by the request of the federal government?

CNN really loves this government. If it were true...they would still be showing it on cnn. Hello...they HATE the government and would love to bring it down.

94 posted on 06/05/2005 10:22:12 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown
Ok, this is one weird thread and I'm out of tin-foil. I can't believe that it is actually be debated.

Bye all.

95 posted on 06/05/2005 10:28:00 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Radioactive
Take a look at photos of the Empire State building when it was hit by a B-25. The B-25 wings folded back and the impact caused a small round hole. Aircraft are not solid objects. When they hit things that are solid, like a limestone building, they do not make holes outlined in the shape of aircraft in that limestone. Aircraft disintegrate into a collection of small pieces. Ask yourself why you can't believe in the immutable laws of physics and why you want to believe that stone buildings are made of mush like your brain.
96 posted on 06/05/2005 10:32:18 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Radioactive
>>>...Flight 87 that crashed in the Bronx...it was blown up...no way did the tail section fall off.

They found the verticle stabilizer in the bay. It was complete and it did break off.

Without the verticle fin, it would spin, breaking off a bunch of parts. (Airliners are not built to spin.) Built by the French, you know.

97 posted on 06/05/2005 11:32:01 PM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: Figment
What about the thousands of eyewitnesses that saw the plane hit the Pentagon?

They were all Jewish Freemasons looking exactly 19.5 degrees above the horizon.

98 posted on 06/05/2005 11:47:24 PM PDT by uglybiker (A woman's most powerful weapon is a guy's imagination.)
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To: lodwick

LOL!


99 posted on 06/05/2005 11:55:47 PM PDT by endthematrix (Thank you US armed forces, for everything you give and have given!)
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To: AntiGuv
Which plane are you referring to here? It doesn't sound like Flight 800.

These are just more of his "facts." Flight 800 was claimed to have climbed an additional 3000 feet from the event altitude of 13,800 ft. He is just confabulating the 3000 to the 13,800.

It is similar to his claim in this thread that there was no damage on the freeway... ignoring the clipped off light stanchions indicating an aircraft with a wingspan of ~100 to 125 feet passed over the freeway at an altitude of less than 25 feet.

He ignores the jet engines found inside the pentagon; he ignores the split hub wheels (which, not so strangely, are exact matches for the wheels on 757s); he ignores the 757 impeller housing found almost complete in the Pentagon; he ignores the gouges in the lawn and the twisted aluminum skin from a 757 found on the lawn of the Pentagon. He chooses to ingore the physics of what happens when an aircraft with a light aluminum skin, made of aluminum struts and members, impacts a 6ft, steel reinforced concrete building recently reinforced to withstand the impact of a near nuclear strike (the area struck was just completed). He ignores the personal affects of the passengers found inside the Pentagon, intermixed with the remains of office equipment, plane parts, and pieces of human bodies... that were identified by DNA as remains of the some of the passengers on the 757.

I have previously posted photographs on FR of the aircraft parts lying in situ in the Pentagon before removal. I have posted photographs of the knocked over light stanchions.

100 posted on 06/06/2005 12:01:00 AM PDT by Swordmaker (tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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