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U.S. defense official secretly visited S. Korea, reportedly threatened to pull U.S. troops
AP ^ | 06/09/05

Posted on 06/09/2005 3:30:37 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Thursday June 9, 4:41 PM

U.S. defense official secretly visited S. Korea, reportedly threatened to pull U.S. troops

A U.S. defense official paid a secret visit to Seoul this week and told his South Korean counterparts that Washington might withdraw its troops if the two sides continue to disagree on various bilateral issues, local media reported Thursday.

South Korea's Foreign Ministry acknowledged the visit by U.S. Deputy Undersecretary of Defense Richard Lawless, but refused to disclose what was discussed during his meetings Monday and Tuesday.

Local newspapers reported that Lawless said Washington might have to withdraw its troops if Seoul keeps disagreeing on a range of issues, including Pentagon plans for its forces to be more flexible and potentially operate across the region. The reports in the Hankyoreh and Munhwa dailies, along with various Internet media, cited South Korean defense officials and diplomats.

The Foreign Ministry dismissed the media reports as "not being in line with the trend of close cooperation between (South) Korea and the United States."

While not directly refuting the reported comments by Lawless, the ministry said in a statement that "the Korea-U.S. alliance is not so weak that it could be swayed by comments from one or two officials."

The reports come on the eve of a Friday meeting in Washington between U.S. President George W. Bush and South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun where the two leaders are aiming to patch up strains in their alliance over differences in dealing with North Korea.

Roh has previously expressed concern that plans for U.S. troops here to be a more flexible force might unwillingly embroil South Korea in regional conflicts.

About 32,500 U.S. troops are stationed in South Korea, a legacy of the 1950-53 Korean War that ended in a cease-fire, not a peace treaty. Washington plans to cut down the number to about 24,500 in coming years as part of a worldwide redeployment of its forces.


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KEYWORDS: cnim; lawless; military; militarybases; nkorea; pullout; skorea; southkorea; troops; us; withdrawal
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The moment of truth is coming:

Bush --> Roh, "Are you with us or against us?" (at the summit on June 10th)

1 posted on 06/09/2005 3:30:38 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Let those anti-American protesters take up positions on the DMZ.
2 posted on 06/09/2005 3:41:27 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Wow. Some read.


3 posted on 06/09/2005 3:42:35 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar

bttt


4 posted on 06/09/2005 3:48:46 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: mainepatsfan
Re #2

Whining cannon fodders? That would be tough to manage. Assign them as personal slaves to front-line combat troops. It is an ancient practice, but it is fair.:-)

5 posted on 06/09/2005 3:49:38 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Secretly, huh?


6 posted on 06/09/2005 3:49:39 AM PDT by niteowl77 (I see seven senators badly in need of emergency RINOplasty.)
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To: edskid
Re #6

It was.:-)

7 posted on 06/09/2005 3:50:10 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Just order them to go over to the North Korean lines so they can tell them we mean them no harm.


8 posted on 06/09/2005 3:51:29 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: TigerLikesRooster
The current leader of South Korean campaigned on anti-American sentiment.

He thinks whining and appeasing will keep him safe from the madman in charge of North Korea.

9 posted on 06/09/2005 4:00:26 AM PDT by OldFriend (MAJOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH.....INSPIRATIONAL)
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To: OldFriend
He thinks whining and appeasing will keep him safe from the madman in charge of North Korea.

Ironically, displaying that kind of weakness is more likely to make South Korea less safe.

10 posted on 06/09/2005 4:08:00 AM PDT by snowsislander
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To: mainepatsfan
Dang it, you beat me to it.

Jake

11 posted on 06/09/2005 4:19:05 AM PDT by newsgatherer
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Good! Pull the troops until they beg for us to come back.


12 posted on 06/09/2005 4:21:03 AM PDT by bella1 (red county, blue state)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

About damn time. South Koreans cannot keep taking positions against us if our GIs are guarding their appeasing butts.


13 posted on 06/09/2005 4:22:56 AM PDT by Saberwielder
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To: snowsislander
The thing is, that kind of anti-American rhetoric is usually a smokescreen to avoid discussing serious issues.

Schroeder used that tactic for re-election and his days are numbered as increasingly German's are unhappy with his leadership.

14 posted on 06/09/2005 4:28:05 AM PDT by OldFriend (MAJOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH.....INSPIRATIONAL)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
If kicked  out of South Korea,  the US will be the ultimate losers.
15 posted on 06/09/2005 4:30:00 AM PDT by Chief_Joe (From where the sun now sits, I will fight on -FOREVER!!!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

the price of Korean steel and cars will go up as they face the facts that occured in Germany- your good life is the result of ourn (US military and taxpayer) protection and help in building your economy - now you must pay the same price we paid to bring the communists into your way of life. Someone has to pay and we have paid enough - your turn!!


16 posted on 06/09/2005 4:37:45 AM PDT by q_an_a
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To: TigerLikesRooster

On the plus side, maybe we could use the troops to protect OUR borders for a change.


17 posted on 06/09/2005 4:39:46 AM PDT by Casekirchen (If allah is just another name for the Judeo-Christian God, why do the islamics pray to a rock?)
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To: Casekirchen

"On the plus side, maybe we could use the troops to protect OUR borders for a change"

No way. Everyone has the right to come to America. It's not fair that we keep the place just to ourselves.


18 posted on 06/09/2005 4:47:54 AM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: TigerLikesRooster
After delivering the ultimatum he dropped on the table a recipe for 'bark soup' and walked out the door.
19 posted on 06/09/2005 5:18:52 AM PDT by freedomson (Tagline comment removed by moderator)
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To: freedomson
We should pull out, those ungrateful POS S. Koreans would get real "ronry" quick
20 posted on 06/09/2005 5:30:54 AM PDT by DAC22
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To: TigerLikesRooster

If true, this is great news. About damn time!


21 posted on 06/09/2005 5:39:15 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/charterschoolsexplained.htm)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Take the troops out of S. Korea and move them to Taiwan.


22 posted on 06/09/2005 5:40:45 AM PDT by loreldan
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To: loreldan
Take the troops out of S. Korea and move them to Taiwan.

That would wake up China in a big hurry...
23 posted on 06/09/2005 5:57:59 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (10,000 posts by 29 June!!! 9,537 replies and counting)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

South Korean BRAC.


24 posted on 06/09/2005 6:13:55 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo

Ping!


25 posted on 06/09/2005 6:35:57 AM PDT by HOYA97 (Hoya Saxa = What Rocks)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Worth defending.

26 posted on 06/09/2005 6:39:09 AM PDT by xrp (Fox News Channel should rename itself the Missing Persons Network)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
While not directly refuting the reported comments by Lawless, the ministry said in a statement that "the Korea-U.S. alliance is not so weak that it could be swayed by comments from one or two officials."

One official is plenty if that official speaks on behalf of the President of the United States.

27 posted on 06/09/2005 6:41:44 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Roh has previously expressed concern that plans for U.S. troops here to be a more flexible force might unwillingly embroil South Korea in regional conflicts.
 
Well, we wouldn't want you to get embroiled in any regional conflicts that aren't your business.  Come to think of it, neither do we.  It's not a grave concern of mine if a midget army comes pouring south of the 38th Parallel.  Good luck with that.

Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)

28 posted on 06/09/2005 6:51:25 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Chief_Joe

If kicked out of South Korea, the US will be the ultimate losers.

I don't know what you mean by being "kicked out", but we should not remain if we are not wanted or needed. Moreover, it is time that modern countries like South Korea take full responsibility for their own defense. They have been living on security welfare from the US for over 50 years.

South Korea has the world's 13th largest economy. The have a modern, well-equipped military, which should be more than a match for North Korea. The US can provide the nuclear deterrent. We don't need American tripwire troops on the Korean peninsula.

29 posted on 06/09/2005 6:59:02 AM PDT by kabar
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To: OldFriend
The thing is, that kind of anti-American rhetoric is usually a smokescreen to avoid discussing serious issues.

There is discontent over Roh's leadership and his party in ROK. A recent poll said only the 30-somethings still favor them.

30 posted on 06/09/2005 7:20:35 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (Defeat Pat DeWine, RINO Mike DeWine's son! Tom Brinkman for Congress http://www.gobrinkman.com/)
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To: xrp
True that!

They grow some good pitchers and golfers too


31 posted on 06/09/2005 7:23:45 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (Defeat Pat DeWine, RINO Mike DeWine's son! Tom Brinkman for Congress http://www.gobrinkman.com/)
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To: JohnnyZ
My girlfriend is Korean. Not Korean-American, but Korean Korean and just completed school here in the states. I haven't exactly dated many American women, but my experience with her makes me hard pressed to ever date an *-American woman again if this doesn't work out.

http://www.nomarriage.com/

32 posted on 06/09/2005 7:30:34 AM PDT by xrp (Fox News Channel should rename itself the Missing Persons Network)
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To: xrp

Or, as they say, it is definitely no longer your "Grandfather-Posted-in-Korea-in-the-Military" days, regarding Korean girls.


33 posted on 06/09/2005 7:31:33 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (**AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS NOT SO MUCH "WHO" WE STAND FOR, BUT RATHER "WHAT" WE STAND FOR**)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Roh has previously expressed concern that plans for U.S. troops here to be a more flexible force might unwillingly embroil South Korea in regional conflicts.

I need a translation here. Is that a veiled reference to the China-Taiwan conflict, or is it a reference to North Korea?

34 posted on 06/09/2005 7:32:55 AM PDT by The Electrician ("Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.")
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To: xrp
My, what an absolutely incredible website.

I'm speechless.

I don't know whether to get angry because of all the cruel generalizations, or laugh because of the elements of truth! :-)

35 posted on 06/09/2005 7:41:37 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (**AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS NOT SO MUCH "WHO" WE STAND FOR, BUT RATHER "WHAT" WE STAND FOR**)
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To: The Electrician
Is that a veiled reference to the China-Taiwan conflict

Yes. However, since Roh changes his mind more often than you know who, it could be anything.:-)

36 posted on 06/09/2005 7:42:27 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1376628/posts


37 posted on 06/09/2005 7:44:51 AM PDT by CDB
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To: Owl_Eagle
midget army. Don't forget, those can be some pretty mean midgets. We were unprepared for them once before and they gave us a hard way to go.
38 posted on 06/09/2005 7:50:19 AM PDT by ArmyTeach (Not on my watch...)
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To: xrp
How are you liking the whole garlic & cabbage deal?

My Chinese friends have been warning me against dating non-Chinese Asians.

Korean: "never date Korean girl, smell like garlic all the time!"
Vietnamese: "you don't want to marry Vienanese girl, you cheat on her, she come in the night with knife, cut --"

39 posted on 06/09/2005 7:52:00 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (Defeat Pat DeWine, RINO Mike DeWine's son! Tom Brinkman for Congress http://www.gobrinkman.com/)
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Re #39

Well, it does not surprise me to hear that they say those things. When there are 10 Chinese in the room and one Korean, they get cocky and say all kinds of things. They tend to count on their ultimate advantage, head count.

40 posted on 06/09/2005 8:00:22 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: Chief_Joe
**the US will be the ultimate losers**

How so?

41 posted on 06/09/2005 8:10:55 AM PDT by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: JohnnyZ

She's never made me eat cabbage or garlic! She's made me some Korean dishes, however, which are very good, if spicy. These foods make my nose run and she gets a kick out of it because I have to keep taking a napkin to my nostrils.


42 posted on 06/09/2005 8:20:08 AM PDT by xrp (Fox News Channel should rename itself the Missing Persons Network)
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To: ArmyTeach
True enough.  I actually used the phrase because I'd just finished reading an article in The Weekly Standard on Korea and they pointed out that the NK Army has had to lower their height and weight standards to the point where the average 8 year old South Korean schoolboy could meet the requirements.
 
Of course it's better to not have to take them on at all, and if we pull out, I'm sure they'll wait for us to get all the way out before they pour across and grant the South Koreans the "Worker's Paradise" they seem to crave.

Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)

43 posted on 06/09/2005 8:26:34 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: xrp
There's no such thing as Korean food without garlic! ;)

If things progress, I highly recommend getting a second fridge (dorm sized) for her use. We (or rather, I) call it the "Stinky Fridge." When the wife gets the radish and oyster kimchee I can tell the fridge has been opened from two floors away.

44 posted on 06/09/2005 8:38:48 AM PDT by whd23
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To: Owl_Eagle

You're right, of course. Interesting insight into the NK height and weight standards. This situation could go any way at any time, no use expecting a warning from NK. Hopefully, if we have to, we'll go in fully aware of the situation and with our troops fully prepared.


45 posted on 06/09/2005 9:12:24 AM PDT by ArmyTeach (Not on my watch...)
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To: JohnnyZ
Your #39.....been in a blue funk all day.

Your post gave me a big laugh...thank you very much!

46 posted on 06/09/2005 9:45:40 AM PDT by OldFriend (MAJOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH.....INSPIRATIONAL)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

the very minute the last us soldier leaves south-korea,
some 500000 north-koreans will move in to capture seoul as quickly as possible. if the us pulled out it's forces south korea is doomed!


47 posted on 06/09/2005 9:50:24 AM PDT by dutch52
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To: TigerLikesRooster; bitt

About two weeks ago Rummy ordered a squadron of F-117's to SKorea. Apparently that was enough to motivate Rongfoo. One news report today said he wanted "reassurances" from Bush----I expect he got them along with firm instructions. Any body know how to say "snivel"in SGook?


48 posted on 06/09/2005 10:35:35 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: kabar
And, with your comments, I fully agree. It is high, stinking time, that some of these whiners and appeasers defend their own dirt. I am sick and tired of their whining and appeasement of the enemies of this Republic, our troops dying, our tax dollars being wasted, on these ungrateful **it$.
49 posted on 06/09/2005 10:39:07 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (Two books, the Koran and Mein Kampf, advocate violence, murder and hate!)
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To: Owl_Eagle

How disafreakingpointing----you mean the recent haircut order to save "ënergy" didn't solve all the NGooks problems? Now I gotta suspect the Runtleader just wants an honor guard his size----none of those tall guys making him look genetically defective.


50 posted on 06/09/2005 10:40:24 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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