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Americans steadfast in anger at Americans
The Sun News (Myrtle Beach) ^ | Sat, Jun. 11, 2005 | ART BUCHWALD

Posted on 06/11/2005 5:20:34 PM PDT by rface

Milton continued, "Commentators like Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh told Americans to hate the liberals. It was a sure-fire way of getting ratings."

"I hate O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh," I said, "because they hate me."

Milton said, "Why does everyone write about how much the world hates America, and no one writes about why Americans hate each other?"

"I was thinking about it," I said. "Why do you think they do?"

"I can't blame it all on President Bush, but the hate factor in the country was raised to a new high when he said it was politically correct to do it."

"How so?"

"Hating fellow Americans didn't become serious until Bush decided to invade Iraq. Then both sides came out of the closet. The conservatives said war was a dandy idea, and the liberals said it was a lousy one. When it was discovered that there were no weapons of mass destruction, which was the reason for going to war, the liberals attacked the president. The conservatives called the anti-war people traitors."

"That was strong language," I told Milton.

"Adding gasoline to the fire were the 'elite' media [the L.A. Times, Washington Post and the New York Times], who editorialized that we got into a lousy war and didn't know how to get out."

Milton continued, "Commentators like Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh told Americans to hate the liberals. It was a sure-fire way of getting ratings."

"I hate O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh," I said, "because they hate me."

Milton said, "But what is really tearing the country apart is God. Every group insists they know what God wants for America. People are fighting over the Pledge of Allegiance in the schools, the Ten Commandments on government property and whether Americans came from Adam and Eve or from monkeys."

"I thought we settled that years ago," I said.

"So did most Americans, but the theories kept popping up," Milton told me. "Things really got ugly when the religious right said if you don't believe in Jesus then you are going to hell.

"Evangelicals are now going all over the country asking - no, demanding - that everyone be born again. The worst example is the Air Force Academy, where the cadets are asked to pledge their lives to Jesus. No one knows what blue skies they will fly into once they graduate.

"Everything has a religious background. The right-to-life people are against stem cell research, abortions and condoms. They are for guns, the Second Amendment and the National Rifle Association.

"One of the major issues is same-sex marriage. The right opposes it and the left, who couldn't care less, says, 'Get off my back.'"

I said, "Isn't it now true that members of Congress really hate each other?"

"It's worse than ever."

"I guess they can't pick a judge now without getting mad," I said. "Are all these issues political?"

"No," Milton replied. "They're personal. Americans are not born to hate, but it's taught to them at an early age and once you learn it, you never let it go."

"Tell me this. Do the French hate Americans as much as we hate each other?"

"It's a close call, but we're catching up to them. I could go on and on listing the causes as to why there is so much animosity among Americans, but it won't do anyone much good.

"All I know is, I'm right and they are wrong - and I'm certain they'll go to hell before I do."


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question 1) Who the hell is Milton?

question 2) Why isn't Michael Moore mentioned in this column?

1 posted on 06/11/2005 5:20:34 PM PDT by rface
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To: rface

We hate liberals because they hate America.


2 posted on 06/11/2005 5:24:26 PM PDT by MarkeyD (<a href="http://www.johnkerry.com">Loser</a>)
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To: rface
Hating fellow Americans didn't become serious until Bush decided to invade Iraq.

Whoever he is, he must be pretty young. Hating fellow Americans became serious....oohhhhh...long about 1967, I reckon. And it sure didn't start on the Right.

3 posted on 06/11/2005 5:24:59 PM PDT by prion (Yes, as a matter of fact, I AM the spelling police)
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To: rface
1) don't know.

2) don't care.

4 posted on 06/11/2005 5:25:51 PM PDT by brivette
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To: rface
I am not sure about O'Reilly as I do not listen to him but in all the years I have listened to Rush I have never, ever heard him say that he hates anyone, let alone liberals.

Why not talk about Howard 'Screech' Dean who has said openly he hates Republicans.

5 posted on 06/11/2005 5:27:06 PM PDT by technomage
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To: rface
Commentators like Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh told Americans to hate the liberals.

I never heard O'Reilly say that.

6 posted on 06/11/2005 5:27:19 PM PDT by skip_intro
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To: rface

I don't hate liberals, I just think they're idiots for the most part.


7 posted on 06/11/2005 5:27:48 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Anyone who thinks we believe Hillary on any issue is truly a moron.)
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To: rface

"Things really got ugly when the religious right said if you don't believe in Jesus then you are going to hell. "

Whoever 'Milton' is he is quite ignorant if he just now learning that Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life.


8 posted on 06/11/2005 5:27:53 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: rface
Things really got ugly when the religious right said if you don't believe in Jesus then you are going to hell.

And another thing! I'm an atheist, but...don't all Jesus' children say you're going to hell if you don't believe? I mean, isn't that, like, "Christianity"?

9 posted on 06/11/2005 5:28:24 PM PDT by prion (Yes, as a matter of fact, I AM the spelling police)
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To: MarkeyD

Art Buchwold used to be funny in the 60"s and 70"s. WashingtonDC finally got to him. Now he is the joke


10 posted on 06/11/2005 5:28:28 PM PDT by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: rface

question 3: Why is everyone else such a freaking adolescent?


11 posted on 06/11/2005 5:30:10 PM PDT by OpusatFR (Try permaculture and get back to the Founders intent. Mr. Jefferson lives!)
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To: rface
Who the hell is Milton?

Milton is the pet name Art Buchwald uses for his penis. Now it is damn near impossible to take a man seriously when he has conversations with the penis he endows with a pet name but, undoubtedly, many will.

12 posted on 06/11/2005 5:30:42 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: rface

"Commentators like Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh told Americans to hate the liberals."

They did? And, when?

Since when did an American ever need someone to tell them to hate "socialism" liberalism?

The dummycrats are out of their respective closets now, and to hate certainly comes easy!

I guess the leftist in America love Conservative Christians, and remember, American conservatives have never work an honest day in their lives either!


13 posted on 06/11/2005 5:31:34 PM PDT by standing united (The second amendment does not stand for the right to hunt, but to over throw a corrupt Gov.)
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To: rface
"I can't blame it all on President Bush, but the hate factor in the country was raised to a new high when he said it was politically correct to do it."

President Bush said it was politically correct to do so or the rats just saw they were losing grip on any/all power and started with the hatred towards our President?? Someone should write this dope a letter and tell him before he rips on a talk show host or ordinary Americans he should start with Daischle, Kennedy, Reid, Gore, Pelosi, Boxer, Waxman, and on and on and on with all the "leaders" of the rat party...oh, yeh- and don't forget the sc^mbag of them all...Heil Howard Dean- the GOP's greatest weapon these days...
14 posted on 06/11/2005 5:32:47 PM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: rface
question 3.) Why do these idiots sound like they don't know what the hell they are talking about?

Yes I know, the correct answer is the most obvious one, suggested by the question itself.

15 posted on 06/11/2005 5:33:11 PM PDT by Chappaquiddick Crawdad ("E unum pluribus"? Perhaps you meant "ex uno plures", or is that "stultus sum"? hmmm...)
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To: technomage

These people love to throw around generalizations. I'm sure no one can find a single instance in which Rush or OReilly ever said they hate liberals, or that we should hate them. Why would OReilly say that, when he is not even a conservative??


16 posted on 06/11/2005 5:34:12 PM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: rface
This guy is suffering from a persecution complex. He has to tell himself (and the world) that Rush and B.O. hate him to justify his own hatred of them. It's the ol' "He started it" defense.

Pretty childish view of conservatives, the war, and Christianity, and poorly written, too.

17 posted on 06/11/2005 5:34:26 PM PDT by GenXFreedomFighter (We smirked our way back for a second term!)
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To: jwalsh07

Oh, I didnt even see Buchwald's name at first. Is he still alive?? I thought either he was dead, or had retired. I hadn't heard anything about him in several years. He is another one who claims to be a "humorist," but most of his humor is anti conservative propaganda.


18 posted on 06/11/2005 5:35:56 PM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: GenXFreedomFighter

Simly remember who is in power, and remember who it is that keeps losing their power, and then figure out who it is that is so full of hate, because they just cannot except the fact that they are OUT OF POWER< and FOREVER THANK GOD!


19 posted on 06/11/2005 5:37:30 PM PDT by standing united (The second amendment does not stand for the right to hunt, but to over throw a corrupt Gov.)
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To: BenLurkin
Whoever 'Milton' is he is quite ignorant if he just now learning that Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life.

Isn't it amazing how in the United States of America of 2005, we have citizens who are totally Biblically illiterate?


20 posted on 06/11/2005 5:37:45 PM PDT by rdb3 (What you want? Morning sickness or sickness from mourning? --Nick Cannon)
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To: TNCMAXQ
Art Buchenwald, perhaps?
21 posted on 06/11/2005 5:37:46 PM PDT by Chappaquiddick Crawdad ("E unum pluribus"? Perhaps you meant "ex uno plures", or is that "stultus sum"? hmmm...)
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To: rface
"But what is really tearing the country apart is God. Every group insists they know what God wants for America. People are fighting over the Pledge of Allegiance in the schools, the Ten Commandments on government property and whether Americans came from Adam and Eve or from monkeys." . . ."I thought we settled that years ago," I said. . . ."So did most Americans,

Well it would have been if you could vote on it, but you can't because the big government gang snuck in some people on the unelected, appointed-for-life Superme Court who agreed with them. So the fight goes on and will go on until these issues can be voted on and changed periodically by the people through their elected, not-appointed-for-life legislatures, preferrably at the state level.

22 posted on 06/11/2005 5:38:00 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: rface

This has the markings of a Mike Royko-style "Joe Schlobatnik" column.

I'll always remember Mike for scathing Dan Quayle under his own name (over the "Murphy Brown" flap), while apologizing to him a few months later under the nom de plume of his working-man alter-ego, Joe Schlobatnik.


23 posted on 06/11/2005 5:38:22 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: TNCMAXQ

Still kicking, still getting his political briefings from Milton. Same ole, same ole.


24 posted on 06/11/2005 5:38:30 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: stubernx98

I didn't even know Art was still alive, much less writing senile rants.


25 posted on 06/11/2005 5:39:07 PM PDT by ABG(anybody but Gore) (I don't hate anybody, except the French....)
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To: TNCMAXQ

Good point!

Two good points!


26 posted on 06/11/2005 5:40:08 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Tribune7

We are in power, so what really keeps tearing this Country apart? Liberalism, socialism, everytime they lose power, they scream louder, and accuse, and basically throw tempertantrums- cry, cry, cry, the fact is, the liberals lost! Get over it, right!


27 posted on 06/11/2005 5:41:16 PM PDT by standing united (The second amendment does not stand for the right to hunt, but to over throw a corrupt Gov.)
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To: cripplecreek

I don't hate liberals, I just think they're idiots for the most part.

I don't hate liberals just as I don't hate the dog pile
I just stepped on in the yard, I DO hate it when the
DOG/LIBERAL poops in my HOUSE on purpose!


28 posted on 06/11/2005 5:42:09 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: jwalsh07
Milton is the pet name Art Buchwald uses for his penis.

kinda like "Little Elvis"

29 posted on 06/11/2005 5:42:38 PM PDT by rface ("...the most schizoid freeper I've ever seen" - New Bloomfield, Missouri)
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To: cripplecreek
I don't hate liberals, I just think they're idiots for the most part.

I think the libs hate us far, far more than we hate them.

30 posted on 06/11/2005 5:42:46 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: rface

Good Grief is he still alive?


31 posted on 06/11/2005 5:42:55 PM PDT by marty60
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To: tet68

Rub the liberals nose in it, and the little liberal will accuse someone else for the stink!


32 posted on 06/11/2005 5:43:25 PM PDT by standing united (The second amendment does not stand for the right to hunt, but to over throw a corrupt Gov.)
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To: stubernx98

Geez, I thought Buchwald died years ago. As they say, there's no fool like an old fool.


33 posted on 06/11/2005 5:44:22 PM PDT by gaspar
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To: rdb3
Isn't it amazing how in the United States of America of 2005, we have citizens who are totally Biblically illiterate?

Not really, considering how much the book has been reviled by the left for the past 50 or so years. Most don't even study it and try to disprove it based on their study, but rather just treat it as anathema. To them it's dangerous, and full of "hate speech".

34 posted on 06/11/2005 5:45:07 PM PDT by Chappaquiddick Crawdad ("E unum pluribus"? Perhaps you meant "ex uno plures", or is that "stultus sum"? hmmm...)
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To: rface

Art's saving grace is that he was a Marine, his fatal flaw is choosing to live in DC for 50 years. Nobody is immune to what goes on there.


35 posted on 06/11/2005 5:46:18 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: standing united
Liberalism, socialism, everytime they lose power, they scream louder, and accuse,

They do not believe in We the People. They are Marxists.

36 posted on 06/11/2005 5:46:31 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: rface

I hate this post


37 posted on 06/11/2005 5:47:07 PM PDT by woofie ("Plunk your magic twanger, Froggy!!")
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To: Tribune7
Has a lot to do with when your own ox got gored.
Hating us was OK as freedom of speech etc.
But when it became clear that the right was equally unhappy with them,
it was suddenly a tsunami of hatred.....
and Bush's fault.
38 posted on 06/11/2005 5:47:11 PM PDT by norton (build a wall and post the rules at the gate)
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To: rface

Rush never EVER said to hate liberals.

I do not hate them. I pity them. And I keep trying to reach them and oppose them.


39 posted on 06/11/2005 5:47:16 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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"Evangelicals are now going all over the country asking - no, demanding - that everyone be born again. The worst example is the Air Force Academy, where the cadets are asked to pledge their lives to Jesus. No one knows what blue skies they will fly into once they graduate."

Oath of loyalty taken by Air Force Academy cadets:

I, (name), having been appointed an Air Force cadet in the United States Air Force, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

I don't see anything about pledging one's life to Jesus. This guy has a few screws loose.

40 posted on 06/11/2005 5:48:53 PM PDT by GenXFreedomFighter (We smirked our way back for a second term!)
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To: rface
The conservatives said war was a dandy idea, and the liberals said it was a lousy one.

The liberals were saying not a word when a Democrat doofus named Clinton bombed the snot out of the Serbians. In my opinion liberals are most certainly not anti-war - they are anti-Republican only.

41 posted on 06/11/2005 5:49:22 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: rface
"Commentators like Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh told Americans to hate the liberals. It was a sure-fire way of getting ratings."

Dead give away that Art should retire gracefully. The notion that O'Reilly hates anybody is incomprehensible, he is too busy loving himself for such pettiness.

42 posted on 06/11/2005 5:49:34 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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The notion that O'Reilly hates anybody is incomprehensible, he is too busy loving himself for such pettiness.

Ha! - I think B.O. comes close to hating Michael Moore --- and maybe a couple of "Rap" dudes.

43 posted on 06/11/2005 5:54:07 PM PDT by rface ("...the most schizoid freeper I've ever seen" - New Bloomfield, Missouri)
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To: BenLurkin

Milton needs to read the Gospels because that is what Jesus was quoted on, not the "religious right".


44 posted on 06/11/2005 5:55:41 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: rface
" Americans are not born to hate, but it's taught to them at an early age and once you learn it, you never let it go."

So let me get this straight. Rush Limbaugh tells the truth about liberals and their political beliefs, and it is called teaching people to "hate".

I'm not buying this crap. Listen to the Democrat Senate as they vilify any conservative judge, you A-Hole. I don't see anything about that is your stupid column. Creep. Always did hate Bauchwald.

45 posted on 06/11/2005 5:56:19 PM PDT by swampfox98 (Michael Reagan: "It's time to stop the flood.")
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To: rface
Milton said, "But what is really tearing the country apart is God. Every group insists they know what God wants for America. People are fighting over the Pledge of Allegiance in the schools, the Ten Commandments on government property and whether Americans came from Adam and Eve or from monkeys."

"I thought we settled that years ago," I said.

I suppose he's referring to the Scopes monkey trial. What was decided there was that evolution could be taught as a scientific theory in school. I suppose we shouldn't be surprised that the libs think the Supreme Court decided that humans evolved from monkeys and that is the final word on the subject. Idiot. This schizo should keep his conversations with his private parts private.

46 posted on 06/11/2005 5:59:12 PM PDT by GenXFreedomFighter (We smirked our way back for a second term!)
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To: prion

Can tell you haven't been to church lately. The fire and brimstone guilt trip, that I grew up with doesn't float any more.

I accepted Christ as a teenager. Met my wife and married through the church. Good thing. Guilt, church politics and hypocrites. Bad thing. Up until last year, I had not been to church in about 20 years. But, I was still a Christian.

Through our son, we went to a local church. We care for each other. Our pastor is human, and he has a great sense of humor.

Above all, I have learned that God is love. I'm not saying our life is more perfect now. We still have ups and downs, as everyone does. But, when I listen to my heart, I know what that God is talking to me. And when I listen to my friends, I know they care.

Talking to liberals, and I know from whence they come because I was a Democrat once, I like talking to your kids. They just have their minds made up already. And like our kids, we don't hate them. We just get PO'd because we don't know how to get through to them.

An open mind, on both sides, would help immensely.


47 posted on 06/11/2005 5:59:20 PM PDT by wizr (Freedom ain't free.)
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To: rface
"One of the major issues is same-sex marriage. The right opposes it and the left, who couldn't care less, says, 'Get off my back.'"

Hee, hee.

48 posted on 06/11/2005 6:01:48 PM PDT by scott7278 (Before I give you the benefit of my reply, I'd like to know what we're talking about.)
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To: rface

Wow, whaqt a pathetic peice of work those 2 are.


49 posted on 06/11/2005 6:10:58 PM PDT by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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To: wizr

You have to be careful with an open mind that your brains don't fall out. (sorry, I couldn't resist)


50 posted on 06/11/2005 6:17:01 PM PDT by marty60
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