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Americans steadfast in anger at Americans
The Sun News (Myrtle Beach) ^ | Sat, Jun. 11, 2005 | ART BUCHWALD

Posted on 06/11/2005 5:20:34 PM PDT by rface

Milton continued, "Commentators like Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh told Americans to hate the liberals. It was a sure-fire way of getting ratings."

"I hate O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh," I said, "because they hate me."

Milton said, "Why does everyone write about how much the world hates America, and no one writes about why Americans hate each other?"

"I was thinking about it," I said. "Why do you think they do?"

"I can't blame it all on President Bush, but the hate factor in the country was raised to a new high when he said it was politically correct to do it."

"How so?"

"Hating fellow Americans didn't become serious until Bush decided to invade Iraq. Then both sides came out of the closet. The conservatives said war was a dandy idea, and the liberals said it was a lousy one. When it was discovered that there were no weapons of mass destruction, which was the reason for going to war, the liberals attacked the president. The conservatives called the anti-war people traitors."

"That was strong language," I told Milton.

"Adding gasoline to the fire were the 'elite' media [the L.A. Times, Washington Post and the New York Times], who editorialized that we got into a lousy war and didn't know how to get out."

Milton continued, "Commentators like Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh told Americans to hate the liberals. It was a sure-fire way of getting ratings."

"I hate O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh," I said, "because they hate me."

Milton said, "But what is really tearing the country apart is God. Every group insists they know what God wants for America. People are fighting over the Pledge of Allegiance in the schools, the Ten Commandments on government property and whether Americans came from Adam and Eve or from monkeys."

"I thought we settled that years ago," I said.

"So did most Americans, but the theories kept popping up," Milton told me. "Things really got ugly when the religious right said if you don't believe in Jesus then you are going to hell.

"Evangelicals are now going all over the country asking - no, demanding - that everyone be born again. The worst example is the Air Force Academy, where the cadets are asked to pledge their lives to Jesus. No one knows what blue skies they will fly into once they graduate.

"Everything has a religious background. The right-to-life people are against stem cell research, abortions and condoms. They are for guns, the Second Amendment and the National Rifle Association.

"One of the major issues is same-sex marriage. The right opposes it and the left, who couldn't care less, says, 'Get off my back.'"

I said, "Isn't it now true that members of Congress really hate each other?"

"It's worse than ever."

"I guess they can't pick a judge now without getting mad," I said. "Are all these issues political?"

"No," Milton replied. "They're personal. Americans are not born to hate, but it's taught to them at an early age and once you learn it, you never let it go."

"Tell me this. Do the French hate Americans as much as we hate each other?"

"It's a close call, but we're catching up to them. I could go on and on listing the causes as to why there is so much animosity among Americans, but it won't do anyone much good.

"All I know is, I'm right and they are wrong - and I'm certain they'll go to hell before I do."


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To: rface

"Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh told Americans to hate the liberals"


THAT IS A BIG FAT LIE!!

In other words, this idiot wants me to believe that WE STARTED THE HATE STUFF. It wasn't us. It really started with the 2000 election - and it was the LEFT WHO STARTED CALLING US NAMES. It had nothing whatsoever to do with O'Reilly or Limbaugh.

They just want a convenient excuse not to be responsible for their actions.

And .. what the hell else is new!


51 posted on 06/11/2005 6:17:49 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: stubernx98; prion
x98 said: - Art Buchwold used to be funny in the 60"s and 70"s.

prion said: - Hating fellow Americans became serious....oohhhhh...long about 1967...

Now this ridiculous article makes sense. Thanks.

52 posted on 06/11/2005 6:28:07 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - L O V E - my attitude problem!)
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To: prion

You say, "Hating fellow Americans became serious....oohhhhh...long about 1967, I reckon. And it sure didn't start on the Right."

I only remember becoming aware of "Pubs vs Dems" when Clinton started carrying on about the "right-wing conspiracy." Contrary to what the MSM says, it was not the Bush administration but the Clintons who divided the nation into Pubs against Dems.


53 posted on 06/11/2005 6:35:21 PM PDT by onevoter
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To: gaspar
Geez, I thought Buchwald died years ago

Part of him did.

54 posted on 06/11/2005 6:40:35 PM PDT by boothead
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To: rface

I listen to El Rushbo every day and he's never said such a thing. And why in the world would O'Reilly tell people to hate liberals. But the MSM doesn't have a track record of letting facts get in the way.


55 posted on 06/11/2005 6:51:35 PM PDT by NavVet (“Benedict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: prion

"Hating fellow Americans came along around 1967.
Yep,I was going to say 1968.This country was on the brink of civil insurrection during those years.
These little tifts nowadays are like pre-school tea parties.


56 posted on 06/11/2005 6:55:18 PM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: stubernx98
Buchwald lost it sometime during the Carter disaster.
57 posted on 06/11/2005 7:05:26 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: marty60

So, was it my opinion, my misspelling, or what?


58 posted on 06/11/2005 7:07:19 PM PDT by wizr (Freedom ain't free.)
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To: rface

"When it was discovered that there were no weapons of mass destruction, which was the reason for going to war, the liberals attacked the president."

No, wrong. Finding Weapons of Mass Destruction was NOT the reason for going to war with Iraq.


59 posted on 06/11/2005 7:08:29 PM PDT by edwin hubble
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To: wizr

I was joking.


60 posted on 06/11/2005 7:11:53 PM PDT by marty60
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To: marty60

Ok. Just checking. Never know when someone might be looking for a duel to the death. Take care.


61 posted on 06/11/2005 7:19:58 PM PDT by wizr (Freedom ain't free.)
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To: rface

Liberals hate American because they are socialists and socialists hate capitalism. A second reason is that socialism is a religion placing government and man as the focus to worship in contrast to religions like Christanity that put God above man, along with self-responsibility.


62 posted on 06/11/2005 7:27:32 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: rface

I've known since 1970 that I was a lunatic, drug addicted, baby killing, fascist pig for serving in Vietnam based on the enlightened reporting of our time. Now customized negative images are being successfully applied to Christians, gun owners, traditional values advocates, etc. by those who build their verbal and written assaults into thoroughly justified and inescapeable positions of hate. These folks are just trying to wake listeners up to the fact they are hated, which I could have told them all along (but not as well) was the result of different political and ethical opinions. One of the few intelligent things Mao Tse-Tung ever said was, "Politics is war without bloodshed". Welcome to the world of virtual blood. Just keep faith with those values the liberals hate as you establish your rules of engagement.


63 posted on 06/11/2005 7:35:25 PM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: rface

If Art Buchwald were alive today, he'd be outraged at this.


64 posted on 06/11/2005 7:58:31 PM PDT by Luddite Patent Counsel ("Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - Groucho Marx)
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To: prion
don't all Jesus' children say you're going to hell if you don't believe?

No, Jesus' children say you're going to hell if you don't BEHAVE!

65 posted on 06/11/2005 8:12:17 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (My book is out. Read excerpts at www.thejusticecooperative.com)
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To: technomage
Today I heard his name pronounced HOWEIRD DEAN

Very fitting!
66 posted on 06/11/2005 8:17:15 PM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: jwalsh07

Good grief -- that can't be true.

Who would publish such nonsense?


67 posted on 06/11/2005 8:27:44 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: rface
First off, let me say that Art Buchwald is a talentless hack and I've never understood how he could ever get a job writing for a living. That said, I'd like to point out something that is very obvios... Liberals lie. They do it all the time, and they accuse everyone else of it as well. As we saw with Michael Moore in his interview with Bill Oreilly, Moore makes no distinction between being wrong and lying (something that most second graders are capable of). This may be on purpose. Since liberals refuse to hold anyone accountable for their actions, then nobody should be held accountable for being wrong. Since lying is the same as being wrong, then lying is OK!!!

And example of a lie perpetuated by liberals is this one...

Milton continued, "Commentators like Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh told Americans to hate the liberals. It was a sure-fire way of getting ratings."

"I hate O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh," I said, "because they hate me."

First off, I would like documented evidence that either Rush or BO EVER told Americans to hate the liberals. Secondly, I'd be willing to bet that there is no documented evidence that either one of them has ever stated publicly that they hate liberals, as opposed to that mainstay of tolerance, Dr. Howard Dean, who said, "I hate Republicans and everything they stand for." Interestingly enough, he didn't qualify it (although he tried to later, saying he only meant the republican leadership).

Buchwald lies, saying that Rush and BO hate liberals. Dean says he hates republicans. Assuming that he means what he says, that would include all republicans, conservative and liberal alike... So, he would hate Bill Frist, and Lincoln Chaffee. He would hate Pat Robers and Olympia Snow. Ideology doesn't really matter to Dean. He sees anyone who's not with him as his personal enemy. And he projects, as do most leftists. All those things that he and his party do, he accuses other of doing against him. I suppose that's how he can justiry doing and saying the sort of things he does.

More importantly, he uses the word "hate" as a bludgeon. He says that he hates those who disagree with him (interestingly enough, that IS the leftist definition of "hate." "You disagree with me, so you must hate... I'm only concerned with doing good. You oppose me, so you must hate. I'm doing good things, or at least, meaning to be doing good things. You oppose some of those things. That means you're bad. And evil. Except evil doesn't really exist... Except in people who oppose the good that I'm trying to do."

Mark

68 posted on 06/11/2005 8:32:22 PM PDT by MarkL (I've got a fever, and the only prescription is MORE COWBELL!!!)
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To: MarkL
The leftist definition of 'hate'. "You disagree with me, so you must hate."

Exactly. Great post -- you nailed what needs to be said: Buchwald is engaging in crass propaganda.

69 posted on 06/11/2005 8:37:24 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: CyberAnt
In other words, this idiot wants me to believe that WE STARTED THE HATE STUFF. It wasn't us. It really started with the 2000 election - and it was the LEFT WHO STARTED CALLING US NAMES. It had nothing whatsoever to do with O'Reilly or Limbaugh.

Oh, it goes way farther back then the 2000 elections... Remember Hillary's "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy." Or even better, Bill Clinton trying to claim that Rush and other conservative radio talk show hosts (but Rush WAS singled out, by name) were responsible for a climate of hatred that culminated in the OKC bombing. That's certainly one of the more agregious examples, but there are many, many others.

Mark

70 posted on 06/11/2005 8:55:23 PM PDT by MarkL (I've got a fever, and the only prescription is MORE COWBELL!!!)
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To: MarkL

Well .. I guess I wasn't really paying attention until after I got on the internet and started visiting FR on a regular basis. The election in 2000 was a big turning point for me in activism.

I do remember the OKC incident of accusing Rush though, because I was listening to his program when I found out about FR.


71 posted on 06/11/2005 10:34:32 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: wizr
Can tell you haven't been to church lately. The fire and brimstone guilt trip, that I grew up with doesn't float any more.

Errrr...so you've decided there are parts of the Bible you don't believe any more? Or you've decided you believe them but it's bad PR to talk about them?

72 posted on 06/12/2005 4:16:03 AM PDT by prion (Yes, as a matter of fact, I AM the spelling police)
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To: JoeFromSidney
No, Jesus' children say you're going to hell if you don't BEHAVE!

Nooooo...these are very old brain cells, but I remember it says very specifically that one is saved by faith, not good works.

73 posted on 06/12/2005 4:18:52 AM PDT by prion (Yes, as a matter of fact, I AM the spelling police)
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To: CyberAnt
Well .. I guess I wasn't really paying attention until after I got on the internet and started visiting FR on a regular basis. The election in 2000 was a big turning point for me in activism.

Sorry, I didn't mean to chide you. The 2000 election was a big turning point for many people, and it was one of the events that's been used to ratchet up misinformation and hatred by the dems.

Mark

74 posted on 06/12/2005 5:25:28 AM PDT by MarkL (I've got a fever, and the only prescription is MORE COWBELL!!!)
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To: rface

Buchwald has gone off the deep end...

Again.


75 posted on 06/12/2005 5:27:52 AM PDT by sauropod (De gustibus non est disputandum)
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To: MarkL
He sees anyone who's not with him as his personal enemy. And he projects, as do most leftists. All those things that he and his party do, he accuses other of doing against him. I suppose that's how He sees anyone who's not with him as his personal enemy. And he projects, as do most leftists. All those things that he and his party do, he accuses other of doing against him. I suppose that's how he can justiry doing and saying the sort of things he does.

More importantly, he uses the word "hate" as a bludgeon. He says that he hates those who disagree with him (interestingly enough, that IS the leftist definition of "hate." "You disagree with me, so you must hate... I'm only concerned with doing good. You oppose me, so you must hate. I'm doing good things, or at least, meaning to be doing good things. You oppose some of those things. That means you're bad. And evil. Except evil doesn't really exist... Except in people who oppose the good that I'm trying to do."

Its all tied in to his projection. He hates his enemies, and his enemies are anybody who doesn't agree with him. And he assumes that his enemies hate him for the same reason. That is where they get it wrong, and they do it time after time. Rush loves liberals, they move to the top of his caller list. If they would just debate on the facts they could call in all day and that's all his show would be. But alas, they fall into tried and true routines, Rush is a Druggie, Bush is stupid, Christians are stupid, all Republicans want to do is kill "people of color". Name calling, slogans, then their own hate shines trough. Rush ends up having just about enough of them and hangs up. Its so very few that even seem to think beyond a DNC talking point memo, its almost fruitless to try to debate them.

76 posted on 06/12/2005 6:12:06 AM PDT by machman
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To: prion

Let's see now. You are an atheist, but you can quote the Bible. OK, let's go. Of course, this may take a while, what with me going to church 'n all. But, it will give you more time to prepare.

First, let me try to explain MY God and my Bible. At first there was the Old Testament, given to help people survive. It spoke of turmoil and what was necessary to overcome and prosper. Take a look at Jeremiah, Chapter 50 and remember that, what once was Babylon, is now Iraq.

It also spoke of the future, and what was necessary to be a part of that future. It prophesied the coming of our Saviour.

The New Testament tells the story of Jesus, the Lamb of God. Do you understand what that means? Jesus was our sacrifice. Jesus died so that anyone, ANYONE, that accepted him into their heart, was saved. Start with Acts, Chapter 9.

But, my favorite verse is John 3:16. It slapped me across the face a few years ago, and I'll carry it with me always. Got to go now. See you later.


77 posted on 06/12/2005 7:11:09 AM PDT by wizr (Freedom ain't free.)
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To: wizr
Let's see now. You are an atheist, but you can quote the Bible.

Well, yes, I wasn't raised an atheist. I became one via conversations like this.

The New Testament tells the story of Jesus, the Lamb of God. Do you understand what that means? Jesus was our sacrifice. Jesus died so that anyone, ANYONE, that accepted him into their heart, was saved.

Yes, exactly. And anyone who doesn't take him up on the offer goes to hell. That's what I said, isn't it? Really, either you accept the entirety of the message, or you're picking and choosing. And once you decide some of the message may not literally be true, what reason do you have to believe a word of it?

78 posted on 06/12/2005 7:36:16 AM PDT by prion (Yes, as a matter of fact, I AM the spelling police)
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To: prion

Show me!


79 posted on 06/12/2005 12:15:53 PM PDT by wizr (Freedom ain't free.)
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To: wizr

Eh? Show you what?


80 posted on 06/12/2005 12:22:47 PM PDT by prion (Yes, as a matter of fact, I AM the spelling police)
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To: rface
Who the hell is Milton?


81 posted on 06/12/2005 12:27:33 PM PDT by wardaddy (Free "I Love Dane Now" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: MarkeyD

Most of us don't hate anyone.


82 posted on 06/12/2005 12:31:03 PM PDT by Melas (Lives in state of disbelief)
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To: Tribune7

Nah, I don't think that's true either. In the really real world, it's suprising how well liberals and conservatives get along. It's typically on the internet, where all the unchecked anger seems to come to the surface.


83 posted on 06/12/2005 12:34:31 PM PDT by Melas (Lives in state of disbelief)
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To: Melas
Most of us don't hate anyone.

Speak for yourself..lol...count me in the "not most" bunch. I think it's perfectly fine to hate folks who deserve it.

And worrying about it is silly.

I hate ragheads bent on destroying me. I hate the enemies within our nation and culture bent on destroying it.

I woulda hated Nazis, Bolshies, Mensheviks, Senderos, Imperial Jap Wingnuts, Jacobins, etc.

I strongly dislike and at times hate my ex-wife

I could go on and on.

They all deserve it.

84 posted on 06/12/2005 12:41:22 PM PDT by wardaddy (Free "I Love Dane Now" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: prion

Proof, atheist, proof. Give me reference.


85 posted on 06/12/2005 12:45:56 PM PDT by wizr (Freedom ain't free.)
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To: Melas

Sorry...again I disagree. I know you are more moderate culturally than I am maybe that explains it.

My poor wife gets picked on by liberal goofy hausfraus all the time. She dropped out of her book club over it. It's bad enough around here that she now chooses to hang with like minded gals from church. Abortion really pickles leftist women.

Nearly all my friends and business associates are like me so I don't have that problem.

Liberals really loathe cultural conservatives. My cars have been repeatedly keyed.

And this is Nashville...not Berkley.

Don't kid yourself that it's not personal. I'll give the left credit. They understand what's at stake and make bones about using the will to achieve their aims.


86 posted on 06/12/2005 12:46:45 PM PDT by wardaddy (Free "I Love Dane Now" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: wizr
Proof, atheist, proof. Give me reference.

Reference to what? Proof of what? What are you asking me to prove?

The doctrinal existence of hell? Is that what you're disputing? I thought that one was a pretty core belief. Is it not, any more?

87 posted on 06/12/2005 12:48:32 PM PDT by prion (Yes, as a matter of fact, I AM the spelling police)
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To: Tribune7

It is hard to hate folks whose idiocy is so entertaining.


88 posted on 06/12/2005 1:01:42 PM PDT by attiladhun2
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To: CyberAnt
Darned right. Bill O'Reilly bends over backwards to be fair to everyone. The only people I hear yelling hate are the liberals, especially Howard Dean!
89 posted on 06/12/2005 1:08:13 PM PDT by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: onevoter
Hmmmm, I thought it happened back during the Nixon years.
90 posted on 06/12/2005 1:09:37 PM PDT by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: skip_intro

Neither has Rush


91 posted on 06/12/2005 1:10:30 PM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: Jumper

Don't you just wish all of the liberals would just move to France? We would still have a Democratic Party. It would just be the REAL Democratic Party and not that bunch of nut cases.


92 posted on 06/12/2005 1:12:25 PM PDT by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: machman

You can't debate a lot of those kind of liberals because they have no original ideas. They can't think for themselves.


93 posted on 06/12/2005 1:22:49 PM PDT by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: Goodgirlinred

And .. you are exactly correct!!

It's the usual projection technique the dems use - they say it's the repubs who are using hate speech .. when it's really the dems who are doing it. They have used this for years .. they just haven't figured out that we know how it works .. LOL!!


94 posted on 06/12/2005 1:23:04 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: prion

I don't want your beliefs. That's what some pastors pushed to make people tithe, raise the guilt level, raise the tithe.

Read Acts, Chapter9 like I asked you. Saul murdered Christians. Jesus saved Saul, who became Paul, one of Jesus greatest apostles, and wrote much of the New Testament.

So, if I am a liar. GIVE ME PROOF!


95 posted on 06/12/2005 1:26:06 PM PDT by wizr (Freedom ain't free.)
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To: wizr
So, if I am a liar. GIVE ME PROOF!

Look, I'm sorry, I totally don't understand what you're getting at. If you could explain a little more, perhaps I would.

Are you saying there is no hell? There are tons of references to it in the New Testament. Or are you saying it's so easy to be saved and avoid hell that there's no point talking about it? I don't see what Paul becoming a Christian has to do with anything we were talking about.

96 posted on 06/12/2005 1:31:04 PM PDT by prion (Yes, as a matter of fact, I AM the spelling police)
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To: wardaddy
You're exactly the reason why I said most, and not all. Some people are really good at hating. Most aren't. Most people would rather like and be liked.

I hate very few people in this world, and I hate none of those for their thoughts. I hate each and every one of them for their actions, ie child molesters. IMHO, those who hate people for what they think, are messed up individuals themselves.

97 posted on 06/12/2005 1:50:59 PM PDT by Melas (Lives in state of disbelief)
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To: rface

Step away from the pipe, Art.


98 posted on 06/12/2005 1:54:40 PM PDT by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: Melas

I believe my impromptu list is about action spurned by thought.


99 posted on 06/12/2005 1:56:16 PM PDT by wardaddy (Free "I Love Dane Now" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: wardaddy
Sorry...again I disagree. I know you are more moderate culturally than I am maybe that explains it.

Well, whatever that means....

My poor wife gets picked on by liberal goofy hausfraus all the time. She dropped out of her book club over it. It's bad enough around here that she now chooses to hang with like minded gals from church. Abortion really pickles leftist women.

Abortion really pickles the true believers in both camps. However, the truth is that in day to day life, the vast majority of people are willing to disagree, even about abortion without hard feelings, fist fights, or name calling.

As for your wife hanging out with the church ladies, more power to her. Interestingly enough, most of my own friends are from church these days.

Don't kid yourself that it's not personal. I'll give the left credit. They understand what's at stake and make bones about using the will to achieve their aims.

It's only personal to those insist on making it personal. My parents were Democrats, and I sorely miss both of them. My wife is a Democrat, and I'm glad I have her around. Some of my friends are Democrats, and my friends who are Republicans and I agree to disagree with them.

As an aside, since I've started going to church, I've come to find that we're far from being the only mixed marriage out there. There are lots of conservative/liberal pairings in my church alone that seem to be doing great.

100 posted on 06/12/2005 1:57:18 PM PDT by Melas (Lives in state of disbelief)
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