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Congratulations Michael, now please, get help
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | June 14, 2005

Posted on 06/14/2005 7:32:32 AM PDT by Asphalt

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To: somerville

Good luck to your friend, hopefully he will get more justice than was served in this case.


501 posted on 06/14/2005 3:23:50 PM PDT by blueblazes
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To: the Deejay
I WANT THE PHOTOS YOU TOOK OF ME NAKED, MR. SNEDDON (Michael Jackson Demands)

Just when you thought things couldn't get any stranger...

502 posted on 06/14/2005 3:23:51 PM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: blueblazes
Funnily enough, the jury said they didn't believe the three that said they had not been molested by mj.

Calkin, Robeson and the other one. Defense witnesses.

503 posted on 06/14/2005 3:25:06 PM PDT by the Deejay
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To: blueblazes

Actually, the majority of men - if not all - who molest boys are gay.


504 posted on 06/14/2005 3:25:14 PM PDT by somerville
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To: roses of sharon

The other aspect that people don't discuss is that many of these children may have mixed feelings about Jackson and their experience with him. THat is not uncommon in pedophilia. They may have genuine affection and regard for him, and may have enjoyed some aspects of spending time with him. That can be one of the most difficult aspects of dealing with child molestation is that children sometimes have affection and regard for the molester and may have some positive interactions with him which make it difficult for them to come forward and accuse him of these things. Also, as children they are still forming of course, and may not know the effects of the molesters acts upon them for years to come. Sometimes it takes the maturity of hindsight to understand the damage that was done. This is why we as adults have to step in as we can recognize the damage that children cannot.


505 posted on 06/14/2005 3:26:59 PM PDT by blueblazes
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To: blueblazes

You wrote: don't agree, alas. I don't think this jury gives a damn. I don't think they care if Jackson was molesting these children or not. I think they'd give him a pass even if he did it right in front of them. I truly don't believe they care. This was an opportunity to stop this man from molesting children, and they let it go. WHy? They just don't care. They'd rather go on TV and try to make some money for themselves. Too much of America has become a nation of crooks , weasels and degenerates.

My Reply: My oh my you are awfully cynical aren't you? 12 people came to a unanimous decision, surely thay all can't have book deals in the wings can they?


506 posted on 06/14/2005 3:29:06 PM PDT by ExPatInFrance (Terri's Starfish- 1 Mrs. Ora Mae Magouirk, 2 Clara Martinez)
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To: MizSterious
lawdy!! Did you hear that one youngish juror on Dan Abrams?????

She can't put one sentence together!!!

507 posted on 06/14/2005 3:29:18 PM PDT by the Deejay
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To: the Deejay

Do you mean they think these 3 actually WERE molested by Jackson and were lying? And they found him not guilty anyway? What bizarre reasoning!


508 posted on 06/14/2005 3:30:03 PM PDT by blueblazes
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To: Asphalt

Dear Michael, just go. Leave the country. Now. In fact, "Beat it!"


509 posted on 06/14/2005 3:30:44 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: ExPatInFrance

They can all have hopes. :) and they can all be stupid. and they can all be gutless. and they can all not give a damn. or actually any combination of the above. I think a big part of it is the THOU SHALT NOT JUDGE culture that we are now in. No one want's to critcize or judge anyone else's actions so people get away with all kinds of crap. Basically it's an unwillingess to take responsibility as a member of society. They all took the easy way out.


510 posted on 06/14/2005 3:32:01 PM PDT by blueblazes
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To: blueblazes
Yes, especially since there was no penetration for all that "evidence" the jury wanted.

I guess fondling and oral sex, since it takes place in private and without evidence, is fair game now. A very young boy may not even remember fondling.

But that's OK, because the jury was "reasonable", right?
511 posted on 06/14/2005 3:32:21 PM PDT by roses of sharon (,)
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To: blueblazes

You wrote:If you have actually HEARD these people talking today, I think you would have to be honest and just admit...they ARE morons. Frankly even if they agreed with me, well...I'd be kinder in my verbiage, but these folks are not Mensa candidates. They're a bunch of witless dummies -whether they agree with me or not. A moron is a moron.

My Reply: Just becasue people do not "perform" well on televison does not mean they are morons. Being on tv can be intimidating. I read their Jury forms over on www.CourtTV well I read some of them. They do not appear to me to be morons. Just average Joe Aericans, called in to do their duty and they did it.


512 posted on 06/14/2005 3:32:45 PM PDT by ExPatInFrance (Terri's Starfish- 1 Mrs. Ora Mae Magouirk, 2 Clara Martinez)
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To: blueblazes

Well said, blueblazes. That is what is happening to my friend who was molested by his child psychiatrist as a kid. The guy was kind to him - kind of a substitute father figure to him when his parents were separated. That's why it is so confusing when they are molested. It is hard for them to turn against the man who has been kind to them.

Are you by chance a prosecutor in the area of sex crimes, or a psychologist ? You seem to have a good handle on the dynamics of the perpetrator/victim.


513 posted on 06/14/2005 3:33:16 PM PDT by somerville
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To: roses of sharon

Well, what can I say, rose, the jury has given him a pass to go forth and molest. and he will.


514 posted on 06/14/2005 3:33:28 PM PDT by blueblazes
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To: the Deejay

Missed it. They need to put Abrams on at another time--I hate to miss Brit Hume, on at this time.


515 posted on 06/14/2005 3:35:11 PM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: ExPatInFrance

I hope you're wrong because if you were right the average American would be a moron. I suspect that is the case, but I'd hate to see it proven.


516 posted on 06/14/2005 3:35:40 PM PDT by blueblazes
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To: the Deejay

God they are DUMB on Dan Abrams ! And that poor Ray guy who believed the video of the victim. Sounds like he allowed himself to be bulldozed by the others into changing his mind. Bet he is henpecked by the Missus....


517 posted on 06/14/2005 3:38:04 PM PDT by somerville
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To: somerville

No, but I live in Boston and unfortunately we've been one of the hubs of the pedophile priest scandal. In fact, I had one of these pedophile priests when I was a kid (yes, he was weird). He didn't bother me as I was a girl.

I've had close friends who were molested so I also know their experiences. I've seen the damage. I guess it's a combination of what I've observed and read. I think it is such a tragic area as it is so soul destroying for these youngsters. People have no idea of how much it can impact these kids growing up and the problem they face in having a strong ego and developing normal relationships. The damage is horrible.


518 posted on 06/14/2005 3:38:39 PM PDT by blueblazes
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To: blueblazes

Yes. Yes. Yes.


519 posted on 06/14/2005 3:38:55 PM PDT by the Deejay
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To: somerville
God they are DUMB on Dan Abrams !

Yep. The more they talk......I am actually beginning to laugh at them.

Sheeple.

520 posted on 06/14/2005 3:40:50 PM PDT by the Deejay
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To: blueblazes

How could you call MJJ Gay? At best he is Bi-Sexual, look he was married to a woman, twice.


521 posted on 06/14/2005 3:41:32 PM PDT by ExPatInFrance (Terri's Starfish- 1 Mrs. Ora Mae Magouirk, 2 Clara Martinez)
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To: somerville

Ya know, I've also seen a lot of non-sexual abuse though, now that I think about it. I was not sexually abused myself, but I did experience a lot of abuse as a child - verbal abuse and neglect mainly - so I have a strong personal interest in what happens to children. I think there is a lot of similarity between these other areas of abuse and the sexual, but the sexual is probably even worse from what I've observed. When you are beaten or verbally abused, you can still understand that there is somethign wrong with the person who is hurting you and that you probably didn't do anything to deserve it. When it's sexual abuse, especially if there is some pleasure involved, there is the added element of guilt and complicity. It's even more of a secret. What an evil thing it is. People have no idea.


522 posted on 06/14/2005 3:41:39 PM PDT by blueblazes
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To: blueblazes

I have observed firsthand the damage that is done by molestation. I have to testify next month in a child molestation trial against a prominent child psychiatrist. The cops think he may have molested as many as 100 boys.

You can't believe how much my friend has suffered as a result of the abuse. So to see these jurors giggling and laughing on Dan Abrams tonight is sickening. I wish the DA had put more shrinks on to testify to the m.o. of molestors.


523 posted on 06/14/2005 3:41:40 PM PDT by somerville
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To: MizSterious

You wrote: And don't forget--Jackson used Pelican's services before he got locked up--think he continued to use his firm without Pelicano once he was locked up. Many similarities!

My Reply: What is Pelican's Services?


524 posted on 06/14/2005 3:43:07 PM PDT by ExPatInFrance (Terri's Starfish- 1 Mrs. Ora Mae Magouirk, 2 Clara Martinez)
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To: ExPatInFrance

Boy, are you naive! A lot of gays marry--sometimes they divorce quickly, sometimes they want someone to make them appear normal. Being married means nothing.


525 posted on 06/14/2005 3:43:33 PM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: ExPatInFrance

oh please. those were not real marriages. He is a gay pedophile. His sole sexual interest seems to be little boys. There are straight pedophiles too who go after little girls. They come in both flavors.

I just realized how that looked. Sorry.


526 posted on 06/14/2005 3:43:44 PM PDT by blueblazes
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To: blueblazes
pedophile priest scandal.

I watched those trials.

The accuser in Gaghan didn't come forth for ten years.

Jury believed him.

Yet, in the mj case, his accuser has been chided for waiting four months before going to LE.

527 posted on 06/14/2005 3:43:48 PM PDT by the Deejay
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To: blueblazes

Yes, sexual abuse is the most confusing. Can you imagine the problem a victim would have with boundaries ?

I pray to God that another victim of Jackson's comes forward. Ron Zonen, the prosecutor who did the closing arguments, was on Dan Abrams tonight, was very gracious towards Tom Mesereau and had nice words for him. By contrast, Mesereau was being very sour and badmouthing the prosecution and its case. That really upsets me.


528 posted on 06/14/2005 3:45:25 PM PDT by somerville
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To: somerville

It horrifies me, what can I say. Like you I have seen the damage with close friends. I've had a couple of boyfriends as well who were abused, and just never really matured largely as a result of it. The damage can last a lifetime. It's such a big dark secret.


529 posted on 06/14/2005 3:45:39 PM PDT by blueblazes
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To: ExPatInFrance
Misspelling--Pelicano is the correct spelling. A "detective" or "investigator" hired by the Clintons to investigate, harass, and intimidate "bimbos" or others who might be a threat to their ambitions. Jackson used him and his agency the same way.
530 posted on 06/14/2005 3:46:15 PM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: somerville

Tom Mesereau is an evil man. He has to live with himself. I wouldn't not want that man's black soul for all the money in the world. He is worse than Jackson. Jackson is a sick man who can't help himself. Mesereau enables him to do it. Mesereau is far far worse.


531 posted on 06/14/2005 3:47:53 PM PDT by blueblazes
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To: somerville
. So to see these jurors giggling and laughing on Dan Abrams tonight is sickening.

Agree. They cannot conduct themselves as mature adults.

What's funny about this case to them?

I cannot take them seriously and doubt they can take themselves seriously.

They are loving basking in the glow of the MSM.

532 posted on 06/14/2005 3:52:35 PM PDT by the Deejay
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To: blueblazes; MizSterious

Nice chatting with you. I do have to go to bed now it is almost 1am and i have a lot fo work to do on the farm tomorrow.


533 posted on 06/14/2005 3:53:10 PM PDT by ExPatInFrance (Terri's Starfish- 1 Mrs. Ora Mae Magouirk, 2 Clara Martinez)
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To: blueblazes
So many defense attorneys are going to have to answer for themselves in the hereafter. The line;

"I was only doing my job and what was right for my clients."

Won't fly. IMO

534 posted on 06/14/2005 3:57:38 PM PDT by the Deejay
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To: ExPatInFrance
"he was married to a woman, twice."

In name only, my dear, in name only.

535 posted on 06/14/2005 4:03:12 PM PDT by the Deejay
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To: blueblazes

It was a case of lawyer v. lawyer, not victim v. Michael Jackoffson.

Also, since Jesse "did you know I'm black?" Jackson and The Civil Rights Movement argued that Michael had an all white jury, and that everyone white was against them and the entire planet and Michael, why haven't they said a word since Michael GOT OFF? Shouldn't we get a jury of a mix of blacks and whites to try him? Wouldn't that be "FAIR"?

I'm so mad to see that many idiots walking around America while third world country children are starving.


536 posted on 06/14/2005 4:11:12 PM PDT by Little Bush
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To: demkicker

"The Boy" is an art book of photographs, sold at Amazon

It is not porn.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0893818534/qid=1118790765/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/104-8170545-2176766?v=glance&s=books&n=507846


537 posted on 06/14/2005 4:20:59 PM PDT by NathanR (Mexico: So far from God; So close to the USA.)
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To: blueblazes

Mesereau is on Larry King tonight. I wouldn't watch that interview tonight even if my life depended on it. Would it kill him to say at least one graceful thing about the prosecution ?

And by the way - about three weeks ago, the National Enquirer had some very amusing pictures of Mesereau with a dominatrix at some S & M Club. He was on his hands and knees, wearing a dog collar. I am not kidding ! I am surprised Drudge didn't pick up the story.


538 posted on 06/14/2005 4:24:52 PM PDT by somerville
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To: blueblazes

What he admits to, is having milk and cookies, telling bed time stories, and then falling asleep, fully clothed, with little boys. That is not illegal. If you make it illegal, you will catch many live in boyfriends in the same trap.

What was alleged, was that he was not always completely clothed, and participated in some other not so innocent activities.


539 posted on 06/14/2005 4:33:13 PM PDT by NathanR (Mexico: So far from God; So close to the USA.)
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To: ExPatInFrance

What kind of prosecutor doesn't know what his witnesses are going to say??

Either the prosecutor was totally incompetent, or the witnesses were "got to."

Nothing to blame the jury for. I see a lot of screeching that the jury failed to convict on facts not in evidence. It's a shame.


540 posted on 06/14/2005 4:42:47 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: American Butterfly

Grow up.


541 posted on 06/14/2005 4:55:13 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Newbies.


542 posted on 06/14/2005 5:05:33 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

It seems that the prosecutor didn't even know how his witnesses would answer his questions.

His own witnesses.

Something is really rotten in Denmark.


543 posted on 06/14/2005 5:08:46 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: stands2reason

I will only if you go to hell first. How's that?


544 posted on 06/14/2005 5:09:37 PM PDT by American Butterfly
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To: NathanR

I don't think "The Boy" is normal reading literature for a 45 year old man - unless he happens to be a 45 year old man who also admits to sleeping with little boys in his bed. We saw some pics from "The Boy" earlier - while it may not qualify as outright pornography, it is exceedingly creepy. I have never seen anything like it in my friends' houses and some of them actually ARE photographers. I think it's safe to call it a nice piece of pedophilic erotica.

Do you have a copy of "The Boy" in your home?


545 posted on 06/14/2005 5:18:23 PM PDT by blueblazes
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To: somerville

I don't know what to make of Drudge at times - he seems to be a fence sitter. WHo knows - Drudge might have been in the dog kennel next door :)

I heard about these pics so I'm not surprised that this creature would be defending a pedophile. I'm sure Meseareau is a no holds type of guy. Maybe we should start calling him Meseareauble.


546 posted on 06/14/2005 5:20:37 PM PDT by blueblazes
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To: NathanR

Just how naive are you? Is this how YOU live? Do you think it is okay for a 45 year old single man to having unrelated young boys sleeping in his bed night after night? He has ADMITTED OPENLY AND PUBLICLY TO THIS. I don't give a damn if he's eating milk and cookies with them - I'm sure that's just the beginning. This is highly abnormal and suspicious behavior. Are you trying to defend it?


547 posted on 06/14/2005 5:23:07 PM PDT by blueblazes
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To: NathanR

Incidentally I have no idea what you mean by catching "live-in boyfriends in the same trap". If you are referring to women with live-in boyfriends who end up sleeping with their girlfriend's young sons in the same bed, then you're damn right . I WANT them to be caught in that trap because they're molesters too.


548 posted on 06/14/2005 5:31:29 PM PDT by blueblazes
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To: sinkspur
And, you put words in people's mouths.

Blueblazes is good at that too.

549 posted on 06/14/2005 5:31:56 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: blueblazes; KC Burke; sinkspur

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550 posted on 06/14/2005 5:35:55 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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