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China trying to turn Australia into 'colony': defector [China imperialism alert!]
AFP ^ | 2005 Jun 15

Posted on 06/15/2005 7:29:55 AM PDT by Wiz

SYDNEY (AFP) - China is using a vast network of spies in an attempt to turn Australia into a "political colony," a defector said, as it was revealed Beijing officials had been allowed to interrogate Chinese held in Australian detention centres.

Former Beijing University professor Yuan Hongbing, the fourth Chinese defector to surface in Australia in the past month, supported charges by a rebel Chinese diplomat that Beijing had an extensive network of agents in the country.

The agents are targeting Chinese dissidents and are also being used to influence political thought "to turn Australia into a political colony of China," Yuan told ABC radio.

"Political colony means the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) will use their ideology to influence Australia's politics and gradually to turn Australia to betray its fundamental principles of freedom and democracy," Yuan said through an interpretde.

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TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: australia; china; communism; democracy
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Australian Labor Party aka Chicom HQ of Australia? I wouldn't be surprised if they were working together for colonizing Australia under China.
1 posted on 06/15/2005 7:29:56 AM PDT by Wiz
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To: Jeff Head; naturalman1975; ChadGore

China attempts to politically colonize Australia ping!


2 posted on 06/15/2005 7:31:00 AM PDT by Wiz
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To: Wiz
Shades of what happens fictionally in the techno-thriller Dragon's Fury Series.
3 posted on 06/15/2005 7:31:06 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Wiz

China is not an imperialist country. I think this is B.S.


4 posted on 06/15/2005 7:31:55 AM PDT by conserv13
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To: Jeff Head

Wow, that was a fast reply. Good timing :)


5 posted on 06/15/2005 7:32:12 AM PDT by Wiz
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To: Wiz
"Political colony means the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) will use their ideology to influence Australia's politics and gradually to turn Australia to betray its fundamental principles of freedom and democracy," Yuan said through an interpretde.

Hmmm...I wonder where else the ChiComms may be trying to accomplish this goal?

6 posted on 06/15/2005 7:32:40 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: conserv13

They're merely purchasing our weapons through Israel for fun.


7 posted on 06/15/2005 7:33:09 AM PDT by Spirited
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To: Wiz

Good thing they have been pretty much disarmed in Aussie land. They'll be safe, now.


8 posted on 06/15/2005 7:33:17 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Stay well, stay safe, stay armed and ready.)
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To: conserv13

You forgot the sarcasim tag.


9 posted on 06/15/2005 7:33:42 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Getting old sucks, but it is the only viable option!)
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To: Wiz

Canada has been doing this to America for years - Peter Jennings, Lorne Greene, Bob and Doug Mackenzie, ... the list goes on and on, eh!


10 posted on 06/15/2005 7:33:43 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Jeff Head

Hmmmmmm geeeeeeee Maybe America? They have seen how well Russia was able to turn us to socialism in a short period of history. They have the blueprint so it does not suprise me in the least that they will subvert the countries around them. And continue to finish off the liberty that was once America.


11 posted on 06/15/2005 7:35:42 AM PDT by winodog (We need to pull the fedgov.con's feeding tube)
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To: conserv13

Did you forget the sarcasm tag, or did you want me to use "expansionism"?


12 posted on 06/15/2005 7:36:46 AM PDT by Wiz
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To: conserv13
China is not an imperialist country.

ROFL!

13 posted on 06/15/2005 7:36:53 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (Defeat Pat DeWine, RINO Mike DeWine's son! Tom Brinkman for Congress http://www.gobrinkman.com/)
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To: winodog

I should have said Russia was able to work to help the humanist waste of the 60"s peace movement. Russia did not and could not have done it by themselves. Its the self loathing all knowing selfrighteous scum in the dem party.


14 posted on 06/15/2005 7:38:29 AM PDT by winodog (We need to pull the fedgov.con's feeding tube)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com

LOL!!


15 posted on 06/15/2005 7:40:15 AM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: conserv13
NO of course not...ujst ask Tibet. Ask Taiwan.

They are a communist country and they are rapidly building up their military and modernizing it with expansion in mind. Anyone who doubts this for a moment just needs to be reminded that a central goal in the Communist outlook is to dominate the world.

16 posted on 06/15/2005 8:00:36 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Wiz; Redleg Duke
Did you forget the sarcasm tag, or did you want me to use "expansionism"?

I am being serious. Throughout history China has always been invaded by other people, rarely been the invader herself. You can make an argument for Tibet and Taiwan, but those are places that China considers part of China, not a foreign territory. In that part of the world Russia and Japan have been much more expansionist/imperialist than China has.

17 posted on 06/15/2005 8:02:09 AM PDT by conserv13
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To: Spirited

The Harpy drones have no US tech, and their sale had been approved to China in 1999.

They were sent back to Israel for service, and we threatened Israel over repairing them or even just returning them, even though the US approved their sale in '99. Basically they are model airplanes with cameras affixed. Useless in an invasion of Taiwan, unless you can land and protect the people who fly them.


18 posted on 06/15/2005 8:06:56 AM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: Jeff Head

China is not a communist country anymore.


19 posted on 06/15/2005 8:12:11 AM PDT by conserv13
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To: Wiz

China : Continuing Penchant for World Socialism

http://www.saag.org/papers15/paper1410.html


20 posted on 06/15/2005 8:14:09 AM PDT by thierrya
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To: conserv13

Can you say "hegemon"? China has an elaborate (yet simple) long term strategy to become the world's second superpower and they don't have to invade anyone to make it happen: (1) neutralize the US miltarily and politically in the Pacific, (2) surround us in North America using friendly surrogates (e.g. Chavez), (3) slowly bring the Middle East, the Europeans and Russians over to their side of the table via economic incentives and playing on their inbred anti-Americanism and (4) limit America's options by obtaining powerful leverage over our economy.


21 posted on 06/15/2005 8:15:34 AM PDT by ZeitgeistSurfer
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To: conserv13
China is not a communist country anymore.

Lol, you come up with some real good ones, I gotta say!

22 posted on 06/15/2005 8:17:33 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (Defeat Pat DeWine, RINO Mike DeWine's son! Tom Brinkman for Congress http://www.gobrinkman.com/)
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To: conserv13
China is not an imperialist country.

In which alternate universe?

23 posted on 06/15/2005 8:21:14 AM PDT by Bombardier (If you're not part of the solution, then you must be part of the precipitate....)
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To: Wiz
I've been saying here for a long time now that Australia has actually already become a Chinese vassal state.
24 posted on 06/15/2005 8:21:59 AM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Redleg Duke
You forgot the sarcasim tag.

He's serious in his own way. At any given time there are a number of Chinese communist netagandists here at FR.

25 posted on 06/15/2005 8:24:10 AM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: JohnnyZ; conserv13
JZ, what is your evidence that the PRC government is still ideologically Communist, as opposed to using the Communist label and rhetoric as a tool of control over the people of that country?

There may still be some "true believers" in the PRC government, but they aren't running the show.

26 posted on 06/15/2005 8:27:47 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Have you visited http://c-pol.blogspot.com?)
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To: conserv13
Yes, it is. The Communist Party runs it. The Politburo is in place and as powerful as ever. To not recognize this, even though they themselves are not hiding it, is very dangerous for us as a people.

The PRC have just discarded the failed Maoist and Marxist economic model in favor of a more fascist economic system that uses a market based model with which they are wooing trillions of dollars of foreign investment so they can become self sufficient economically and ontinue to build and improve their military...while not raising the standard of living or the liberty of the vast majority of their citizens who represent their cheap labor pool.

And they are doing all of this very well indeed, to all of our shame IMHO.

But, make no mistake, ideologically and politically they are every bit as much communists as they ever were.

27 posted on 06/15/2005 8:34:04 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: tallhappy
I've been saying here for a long time now that Australia has actually already become a Chinese vassal state.

I can see them making a move like this, given their goal to be the dominant power in the region. They've got to see the western-allied Australia as an unwelcome neighbor.

But... given the fact that the current government there is one of America's closest friends, isn't it premature to call them a vassal state of PRC?

28 posted on 06/15/2005 8:34:24 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Have you visited http://c-pol.blogspot.com?)
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To: tallhappy
He's serious in his own way. At any given time there are a number of Chinese communist netagandists here at FR.

China's secret internet police target critics with web of propaganda Applicants for the job - mostly drawn from the propaganda and police departments - were told they had to understand government policies, know political theory, be politically reliable and understand internet technology. Successful candidates have been offered classes in Marxist theory, propaganda techniques and updates on the development of the internet around the world.
29 posted on 06/15/2005 8:36:17 AM PDT by thierrya
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To: Wiz

Australia is considered China's overflow zone.


30 posted on 06/15/2005 8:36:36 AM PDT by RightWhale (Some may think I am a methodist)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
In fact, they are. They Communist Party and the Politburo are still in place and as strong as ever.

MOst of the so called non-military industries are run by communist leaders or their children or relatives. The people benifiting from the economic growth are NOT the large majority of the Chinese people...I have been there with US firms and have seen it. The vast majority still live mostly in squalor. There is an effort by the leadership to get them into the cities, but that is so they can take better, more efficient avantage of their cheap labor.

If you analyze it, the people benefiting, IMHO, from the growth, are the members of the Communist Party and their families. Trouble is, at 6-8% of the population of something like 1.2 billion, that represents a lot of people (approaching 100 million) and they can put on one heck of a show.

I have seen it...they are very good at wooing our politicians and our corporate leaders.

31 posted on 06/15/2005 8:40:11 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: conserv13; Jeff Head; GhengisKhan; CarrotAndStick
Throughout history China has always been invaded by other people, rarely been the invader herself.

Shall we also argue about China-India War, Mischief Reef incident, Scarborough Shoal incident, Spartly territorial dispute, Daioyu island dispute, South China Sea Japan-China center line energy resource drilling dispute, and Okinotori island dispute? Shall we also discuss about the Chinese expansionist policy regarding the National Defense Development Strategy, and "Strategic border line" concept?
32 posted on 06/15/2005 8:40:53 AM PDT by Wiz
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To: Jeff Head
The PRC have just discarded the failed Maoist and Marxist economic model in favor of a more fascist economic system

[...]

But, make no mistake, ideologically and politically they are every bit as much communists as they ever were.

I still see no evidence that the CCP and its rhetoric are anything other than tools of state control. Apart from the mere fact of the existence of the Party, and its boilerplate rhetoric, what leads you to conclude that the PRC government is still ideologically committed to communism?

33 posted on 06/15/2005 8:40:59 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Have you visited http://c-pol.blogspot.com?)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

ping


34 posted on 06/15/2005 8:42:40 AM PDT by BringBackMyHUAC
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To: Jeff Head
You're describing a kleptocracy, not ideological communism.
35 posted on 06/15/2005 8:43:53 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Have you visited http://c-pol.blogspot.com?)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
Their history and tyranical control of their own population and information. They are not free, they call themselves communists, and they operate as such.

They have modified their economic model, and done it very well, in order to survive in today's global economy...and they are taking abject advantage of it IMHO.

If it smells like a rat, walks like a rat, talks like a rat, and in fact itself claims to be a rat...odds are pretty good that it is a rat.

36 posted on 06/15/2005 8:44:21 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

LOL! Every coomunist state has been exactly that. The utopia rhetoric is for the useful idiots...which far too many American are falling for IMHO.


37 posted on 06/15/2005 8:45:49 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

A guy I know explained it to me thusly:

If a guy in a Shanghai office gets two phone calls at the same time, and they are:

1. The Chairman of the Chinese Communist Party in Beijing;

and

2. The Shanghai guy's investment banker in New York...

One guy is going to end up on hold listening to Chinese elevator muzak.

In 1978, it would've been the banker.

In 2005, it's the Chairman.


38 posted on 06/15/2005 8:45:55 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse
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To: Wiz
Those are all minor disputes.

Contrast all those things that you listed with the British empire in China during the 1800s and early 1900s, with the Japanese empire in China during the 1900s, with the expansion of Russia during the 1700s on, etc...Compared to other cultures, China has historically been the least expansionist.

39 posted on 06/15/2005 8:50:10 AM PDT by conserv13
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Well, in 1978 the second call would not have occurred. Now in 2005, the "guy" is himself a communist, and he will confrerence the Chairman in on the call so they can all converse together.

But in the end, the benefit of the call will have nothing to do with liberty, freedom, advancing the true "free market", or the betterment of their people. It is about power and control...and for the communists, that is all it has ever been about. Sadly, IMHO, we are playing into their hands.

40 posted on 06/15/2005 8:52:45 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Destro

ping


41 posted on 06/15/2005 8:54:14 AM PDT by Wiz
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To: conserv13
LOLLOLWTF??!!

I just spewed iced tea on my keyboard. Tell me that was a typo of yours.

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

42 posted on 06/15/2005 8:54:22 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: conserv13
Their help to the N. Koreans in the 50's was not minor. Their actions during the Vietnam conflict and after were not minor. There actions in Tibet were not minor...and their thretenings against the ROC are not minor.

I would add, given the strategic importance of the areas in question, their actions as regards the Spratley's and other areas in the China or South China Sea are also not minor...and this does not take into consideration their groing influence in Cnetral and South America and the carribean.

43 posted on 06/15/2005 8:55:26 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: conserv13

Last time I checked there is only one party allowed and has all the power there, and that is the CCP.


44 posted on 06/15/2005 8:58:46 AM PDT by DarkWaters
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To: Wiz

The Righ Wing party is the one pushing for Free Trade with China and was slow in granting asylum to the defector.


45 posted on 06/15/2005 9:00:43 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: conserv13
Some think China is now a fascist country.

Since they have embraced a capitalist system with a totalitarian government, I tend to agree.

46 posted on 06/15/2005 9:02:36 AM PDT by concrete is my business (build a foundation of superior strength)
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To: expatguy
Nice blog, I like it. It seems like the Chinese are just looking out for their national interest re: straights of Malacca. They are not planning on invading Indonesia or Malaysia anytime soon.

China historically has not been an imperialistic expansionist power compared to most other cultures.

47 posted on 06/15/2005 9:04:32 AM PDT by conserv13
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To: conserv13
Those are all minor disputes.

Minor!? Are you going to say colonization of Macao and Hong Kong was at the same scale for its size too?! The Japanese imperialist military regime is gone, we are talking about imperialism in modern days, not something way past in the 18th and 19th century. We are not also comparing regimes, it is about rather China is engaged in imperialism now or not, and there is an official National Defense Development Policy with the strategic border concept. What about the nuclear submarine that has went all the way down to Guam near the US naval base. That was a real challenge against the US Naval Force. Do you really believe the official announcements of China to say that it was a technical error of the submarine?
48 posted on 06/15/2005 9:04:35 AM PDT by Wiz
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To: concrete is my business
To me, its a hybrid. Economically they have adopted a more fascist model. Ideologically and politically they are communists and call themselves that. I believe they are communists who have made an economic adjustment that is allowing them to artificially sustain their tyranny.

We need to respond accordingly, and NOT feed it.

Just my own opinion.

49 posted on 06/15/2005 9:05:17 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: tallhappy

Yep, it is too late for Australia. Did you see how their government tried to look the other way when all this defector talk came out. They did not want to risk any tension with China (since they have substantial trade with Beijing), and thus would not even offer these defectors real asylum.


50 posted on 06/15/2005 9:15:09 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear tipped ICBMs: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol.)
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