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Terry Schiavo Report of Autopsy, Full Text as Released by Medical Examiner
Pinellas County Medical Examiner's Office via St. Petersburg Times ^ | June 13, 2005 | Jon R. Thogmartin, MD

Posted on 06/15/2005 9:51:07 PM PDT by FairOpinion

Cause of Death: Complications of Anoxic Encephalopathy.

Manner of Death: Undetermined

The persistent vegetative state and minimally conscious state, are clinical diagnoses, not pathologic ones.

(these are all statements from the report)

(Excerpt) Read more at sptimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: autopsy; euthanasia; murder; notmurder; schiavo; schindler; terri; terrischiavo; terrischindler
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Pages 13-17 have discussion of the examination of brain and neurological examination. I hope some medical doctors here will read it. They talk about some parts of the brain and nerves being normal, and that her optical nerve was thin, but still within the normal range.

I find the listing of the cause of death totally unacceptable. They are supposed to list the immediate, direct cause of death, which is dehydration -- the ME did NOT put that down as the official cause. It doesn't matter what he says, what matters, is what's in the autopsy report.

Suppose someone shoots a person, who had Parkinson's disease, or whatever, and the person dies. Are they going to list the cause of death as "complications of Parkinson's disease"?

Also, they mention that Terri's brain weighted 625 g, about half of that of a normal brain. Well, helloooo, this is after she was being dehydrated for two weeks. The brain is 80% water, so naturally during the extended process of dehydration, it would lose water and weight. So the weight of her brain doesn't mean much.

1 posted on 06/15/2005 9:51:07 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Future Useless Eater; floriduh voter

PING for the actual 39 page autopsy report.

I don't know if it was posted inside of the various articles, but I figured people would have trouble finding it.

You may want to ping the Terri ping list.


2 posted on 06/15/2005 9:52:38 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

Cause of Death: Slow Murder by Starvation, sanctioned by multiple courts.


3 posted on 06/15/2005 9:54:56 PM PDT by alancarp (When does it cease to be "Freedom of the Press" and become outright SEDITION?)
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To: Howlin; sinkspur; bonfire; Chena



Actual report ping.


4 posted on 06/15/2005 9:56:05 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: FairOpinion

Cause of death was dehydration.
Could being severly dehydrated cause the brain to shrink due to the fact that the brain contains water as one of the components?


5 posted on 06/15/2005 9:57:06 PM PDT by Peace Is Coming
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To: Peace Is Coming
Could being severly dehydrated cause the brain to shrink due to the fact that the brain contains water as one of the components?

I'd like to hear a MD weigh in on this question, I've seen it speculated about enough today to get my curiousity up...

6 posted on 06/15/2005 10:07:59 PM PDT by cryptical
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To: Peace Is Coming

That's what I think -- all your tissues lose water and there is no replenishment. I can't believe the brain would be immune to that.

But I hope some medical professionals will read the key parts of the autopsy report and post their opinion.


7 posted on 06/15/2005 10:09:04 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
Recall that during Terri's last days, mouthpieces for the alleged husband were repeating some reports from a brain scan that supposedly indicated that Terri's brain had atrophied to 20% of its original size (and therefore proved the 'persistent vegitative state' prognosis)?

Even from my totally uneducated perspective, I believe this report represents a flat denial of that claim.

8 posted on 06/15/2005 10:10:28 PM PDT by alancarp (When does it cease to be "Freedom of the Press" and become outright SEDITION?)
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"reports from a brain scan that supposedly indicated that Terri's brain had atrophied to 20% of its original size "

Good point. Even after two weeks of dehydration, her brain was still half the size of a normal brain.


9 posted on 06/15/2005 10:13:12 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: alancarp

See if PVS is a recognized diagnosis which in and of itself will qualify under Medicare for Hospice benefits.

To my knowledge, it does not.

Here is their screwup. Suncoast is toast.


10 posted on 06/15/2005 10:18:42 PM PDT by planekT (Go DeLay, Go!)
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But I hope some medical professionals will read the key parts of the autopsy report and post their opinion.

I read it, if that counts. I don't see any surprises here.

11 posted on 06/15/2005 10:24:13 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema

Thanks. Does the brain shrink during 2 weeks of dehydration?


12 posted on 06/15/2005 10:26:01 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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I heard just a few seconds of an ABC radio "news" employee saying that the report proves that the husband was right.

I thought that the main dispute was did she deserve to live or die. I thought her family wanted to take care of her knowing of the brain damage but the husband, et al. said no, she should die it's "what she wanted." I thought that there were many disputes. Not all have been settled says the report.

I guess it's called MSM spinning and spiking. It's what they do. ABC was one of the phony polls that served as a news item for days, "99.9999999999999999 percent of Americans want her 'released'!"

13 posted on 06/15/2005 10:33:24 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Hillary is the she in shenanigans.)
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To: FairOpinion
I am waiting on expert opinion on this one. I don't know what the fluid exchange is like for the blood-brain barrier during severe dehydration.

My other opinion is that it is not important how much her brain weighed, as the report itself implies. Each area of the brain carries a specific function, so localized destruction seems more relevant than overall weight.

Reading the report simply confirmed for me the incredible cruelty of this manner of killing someone. Kidney stones, pneumonia, perhaps metabolic acidosis, uremia, and certainly bladder inflammation - all miserable things to endure and often quite painful.

And nothing to relieve pain. The acetaminophen level was not therapeutic. No one gives acetaminophen to patients with kidney stones or pneumonia who is supposed to live, and considers it to be a worthwhile pain med.

14 posted on 06/15/2005 10:35:03 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: FairOpinion
Not to mention the hypernatremia. And with her chloride so high as well, she certainly was in a state of acidosis, perhaps secondary to renal tubular death. And I understand stomach inflammation is also painful.

It disgusts me that this took place in a deliberate manner as it did. It goes beyond whether or not her brain weighed this or that number of grams, and whether or not she had PVS. It is to me about doing this kind of thing to another human being - deliberately inducing all these sufferings and allowing them to go on until death.

15 posted on 06/15/2005 10:44:32 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema

Just an horrific torture... unspeakably cruel and inhumane. Thank you for your medical input. God help us all.


16 posted on 06/15/2005 10:46:24 PM PDT by STARWISE ( You get the govt. you deserve. CALL YOUR CONGRESS CRITTERS OFTEN -U.S. CONGRESS: 1-877-762-8762)
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bump for later


17 posted on 06/15/2005 11:07:43 PM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (42)
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To: FairOpinion

On sciencedaily.com Brain shrinkage not linked to learning!

Just because the brain is shriveled doesn't mean she wasn't home.


18 posted on 06/15/2005 11:08:19 PM PDT by dila813
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To: STARWISE; MarMema

As STARWISE said keep up the good work MarMema. Any
on-line sites of yours?


19 posted on 06/15/2005 11:25:58 PM PDT by cycjec
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To: FairOpinion
I googled for "severe dehydration" and "brain damage." Got this result several times: "Untreated severe dehydration may result in seizures, permanent brain damage, or death."

Considering the numerous occasions in which Terri underwent forced dehydration--the first time, then in Oct 2003, and again months ago, ultimately causing her death--isn't it likely that such trauma to the body had some effect on her already fragile condition, specifically to the brain?

How many medical examiners know what a brain looks like after numerous occasions of severe dehydration in a person, particularly when the patient had already lessened brain function?

What is the typical brain weight of person who died from dehydration?

Did the medical examiner take these sorts of questions into account?

20 posted on 06/15/2005 11:26:18 PM PDT by Gelato
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