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Five Female Marines Feared Dead
CBS/AP ^ | June 24, 2005

Posted on 06/24/2005 11:49:22 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative

A suicide car bomber slammed into a U.S. military convoy in Fallujah, killing two Marines, a Pentagon spokesman said Friday. Three Marines and a sailor were missing after the attack.

CBS News National Security Correspondent David Martin reports that five female Marines are said to be dead, according to officials. They are members of a supply unit who were being driven into Fallujah to assist in searching local women for hidden weapons when their vehicle, which was equipped with armor, was struck by the bomber.

Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said another 13 Marines were wounded in the Thursday night attack and said some women were among the casualties.

The car bomber targeted troops assigned to the II Marine Expeditionary Force, an earlier military statement said. Fallujah, the Anbar province town 40 miles west of Baghdad, was the scene of a large-scale campaign in November by U.S. troops to rout militants.

An earlier report also had said six Marines were killed.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: fallen; marines; michaelmoore; military; militarywomen; oif; wariniraq; waronterror; womenincombat
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To: West Coast Conservative

How does this make you feel durbin? Are you happy now?


51 posted on 06/24/2005 1:50:51 PM PDT by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than any of us will ever know! :))
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To: Meldrim

Yes, and if we ever go to a draft, the gals should be called up equal to their current slice (%).


52 posted on 06/24/2005 1:54:26 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Salvey
I have said from the start of this, that the only way you defeat your enemy is to remove his will to fight. This is what occurred after WWII, the Germans and Japanese were so damn tired of the hardships imposed on them via the destruction of cities and the related infrastructure they were "pacified"
This crap about not being at war with the civilian population is BS. The only thing these animals respect is shear power...why do you think they never ventured to overthrow Saddam?
Cause he was a bigger bad ass than they were
We better start being bad asses, and stop "Arresting" these scum and summarily executing them in the streets

PS:My philosophy is expressed in my tag line, as if you couldn't guess

53 posted on 06/24/2005 1:54:46 PM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: leadpenny

Why not call them up according to their current ability percentage, that is of total available personnel?


54 posted on 06/24/2005 1:56:04 PM PDT by Meldrim
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To: lugsoul
Seems I've heard it referred to lately as the "safest city in Iraq."

Patience. Patience.

They're in the last throes of defeat.

55 posted on 06/24/2005 1:58:56 PM PDT by iconoclast
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To: leadpenny

Lead has there been any updates....are there still missing troops?


56 posted on 06/24/2005 1:59:31 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Fido969
"Someone might want to ask Dick Durbin how many Nazi women were killed in fighting because the Nazis were sensitive to the cultures of the people they destroyed."

The truth is that Nazi Germany was a very chivalrous culture towards German women, albeit horrifically inhumane in many, many other ways to others. Not only were women excluded from "all" combat roles, they were even excluded from working in the war factories. After the war the Nazis concluded that women would have been a major asset working in the war factories.

Nazi Germany very actively promoted Motherhood, and even gave a medal to woman having over a certain number of children. They also had very nice birthing centers for women to go and have their "Arian children."

Of course the Nazis used captured slave labor in their factories, and we are all familiar with the many, many other atrocities of the Nazi regime. Likewise, many women and children were killed in Germany, because the stubborn resistance of the failing Nazi regime brought the horrors of war to the German homeland and the civilian population.

Isn't it ironic how Democrat Dick Durbin calls others Nazis, yet his party is primarily responsible for one of biggest holocausts (abortion) in the history of the world, and right here in America.

IMHO, Carl Rove was far to kind in his assessment of what I see, that can only accurately be described as Nazi-crats.

57 posted on 06/24/2005 2:03:21 PM PDT by MensRightsActivist
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To: Meldrim

What ever works. There just needs to be a benchmark for the numbers of women drafted if and when that time comes.


58 posted on 06/24/2005 2:03:37 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Dog

Don't know. I've got C-SPAN on and haven't looked for my remote in a while.


59 posted on 06/24/2005 2:05:08 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
I pulled this off of Rantburg....Just heard the military arrested a "journalist" at the scene. The criminal was filming the attack, and had apparently been given advance notice.

Heard anything about this journalist being arrested at the scene?

60 posted on 06/24/2005 2:06:42 PM PDT by Dog
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To: joesnuffy
Follow the terror back to its SOURCE and wipe out the source.
The financial sources and spiritual sources as well as man power and infrastructure sources...

I betcha we're gonna do that just as soon as we get this little "pushover" war out of the way.

Seriously, you're 100% correct .... but we're a couple of years past that decision and in a deep hole of our own arrogant and stupid making.

It's called screwing up ..... big time.

61 posted on 06/24/2005 2:08:52 PM PDT by iconoclast
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To: Dog
"Lead has there been any updates....are there still missing troops?" I'm sincerely sorry to have say this, and I hope I'm wrong, but when you have this kind of a horrific explosion, and "people are missing," it's possibly "code" for "still trying to identify the remains." My deepest sympathy to all, and again, I pray I'm wrong.
62 posted on 06/24/2005 2:09:56 PM PDT by MensRightsActivist
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To: Dog

I would have shot him on the spot, risking court martial if necessary. just blow him away fast and be done with it.


63 posted on 06/24/2005 2:12:38 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: iconoclast

Using conventional military in an asymmetric war such as this has been a huge mistake.

9/11 called for non-conventional forces on target cities of the enemy period. What we're doing now is a huge waste.


64 posted on 06/24/2005 2:13:48 PM PDT by G32
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To: iconoclast

I haven't reached the level of your cynicism, but I'm closing in fast.


65 posted on 06/24/2005 2:16:19 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: warchild9
The Pentagon needs to fear that the jihadis have studied their history. This war is tottering at home (which is all that counts). Just look at ALL the polls.

If the jihadis want it to tip their way, they need to launch a Tet-like offensive which shocks everyone with its scope and boldness. They don't have to win the attack--just attempting it is enough.

They don't have to read their history, they just have to watch the Senate Armed Services hearings yesterday. Linday Graham made the same handwringing observation yesterday while quizzing Rumsfeld. Unfortunately, Graham seemed to indicate that Tet was a military defeat for the US, when really, it was a huge defeat for the Communists. Of course, Walter Cronkite and the rest of the MSM made it a huge propaganda defeat for the US.

66 posted on 06/24/2005 2:17:43 PM PDT by kabar
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To: leadpenny

This war has turned out to be a complete horror show for our side.

Oil prices are higher than ever, the place is now a disaster zone, and our people are open targets from now on. This is *never* going to stop over there.

We blew it right after 9/11 by not using our strategic nuclear forces to put an end to this war instantly.


67 posted on 06/24/2005 2:18:10 PM PDT by G32
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To: Txsleuth
You don't think the war in Iraq has anything to do with the War on Terror?

Hold that thought!

Until it makes sense to you.

No matter how long it takes!

68 posted on 06/24/2005 2:20:50 PM PDT by iconoclast
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To: MensRightsActivist
In America today we have a strong gender feminist movement, primarily Democrats

Cut that crap!

It's a LEFTIST movement and there have never been more enthusiastic promoters than those presently in the White House and Defense Dept.

69 posted on 06/24/2005 2:28:09 PM PDT by iconoclast
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To: Fido969

Right on, Fido. Those g*dd*m Clinton c***s***ers are nothing but traitors--and yes, I place the main responsibility for the absolute degradation of what used to be the Democrat party squarely at the Clinton's vile feet.

May Durbin and his ilk roast in hell with all the other traitors now infecting that once noble party.


70 posted on 06/24/2005 2:28:10 PM PDT by Husker8877
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To: Alberta's Child
We are fighting Al-Qaida in Iraq right now.

Iraq is just one theater of the global conflict of which the WTC attack was a part.
71 posted on 06/24/2005 2:29:14 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Shermy
Looks like Fallujah has relapsed.

You can't hold a city like Fallujah or any other secured area with gimmickry. It takes real men with real weapons and a no nonsense, dead serious approach.

72 posted on 06/24/2005 2:32:33 PM PDT by Chief_Joe (From where the sun now sits, I will fight on -FOREVER!!!)
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To: everyone

Five female Marines dead ...

Ugly, ugly, ugly. There should be NO women in combat -- officially or unofficially.


73 posted on 06/24/2005 2:34:06 PM PDT by California Patriot
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To: Meldrim
The Israeli's manage it (women in combat) quite effectively, with conscription.

Religious Israeli soldiers say, "serving with women is like eating pork"!

74 posted on 06/24/2005 2:40:42 PM PDT by iconoclast
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To: MensRightsActivist
I hope I'm wrong, but when you have this kind of a horrific explosion, and "people are missing," it's possibly "code" for "still trying to identify the remains."

That's and antiseptic way of putting it.

75 posted on 06/24/2005 2:46:14 PM PDT by iconoclast
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To: West Coast Conservative
Every eff'n day...

DAMNIT!!!

76 posted on 06/24/2005 2:51:21 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: Dog
....Just heard the military arrested a "journalist" at the scene. The criminal was filming the attack, and had apparently been given advance notice.

That was off of a chat forum on Rantburg from God knows who.

Where's the fact checking? Where's the verification? This is how these "Iraqi urban legends" get started.

77 posted on 06/24/2005 2:57:09 PM PDT by iconoclast
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To: BenLurkin
Iraq is just one theater of the global conflict of which the WTC attack was a part.

How are things in the White House basement, Ben?

78 posted on 06/24/2005 3:07:10 PM PDT by iconoclast
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To: iconoclast

I be sure to get two sources next time and clear them with you...


79 posted on 06/24/2005 3:15:45 PM PDT by Dog
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To: iconoclast

So where you posting from?......Hmmm.


80 posted on 06/24/2005 3:17:40 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Dog
I be sure to get two sources next time and clear them with you...

Good.

I'd hate to see get you get busted for yelling fire in a crowded theater.

81 posted on 06/24/2005 3:30:18 PM PDT by iconoclast
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To: iconoclast
LOL!

ROFL!

82 posted on 06/24/2005 3:35:10 PM PDT by Dog
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To: West Coast Conservative

How sad. So many of our troops are killed.


83 posted on 06/24/2005 3:36:42 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: iconoclast

You know---I have had to quit posting to lot of threads that I normally would, because I see your screen name...

It seems that all you want to do is be rude and make fun of people that don't see the world in the same cynical screwed way that you do...

I posted this time, because of the sadness I felt when I read the article, then questioned in the post why I felt compelled to do it when the headline said "women"---I notice another poster also questioned his/her motives...

However, you always ruin every thread you go on...so I won't be participating with some of the other thoughtful freepers on this thread...and I am sure you will laugh and be proud of yourself....have fun!


84 posted on 06/24/2005 4:51:17 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: West Coast Conservative

i keep seeing this story in breaking news and then it keeps getting deleted....whats the deal?


85 posted on 06/24/2005 4:52:25 PM PDT by Tiger Smack (www.tigersmack.com <------- for LSU & SEC sports/news/stuff)
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To: iconoclast

Yes, that is true. In fact, the Israeli army still puts no women near the front lines. This includes truck units that go anywhere near the front. You can do that when everyone is serving who is physically capable; you can select the best instead of bribing the willing.


86 posted on 06/24/2005 6:54:26 PM PDT by Meldrim
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To: leadpenny

How about a benchmark of zero?


87 posted on 06/24/2005 6:55:37 PM PDT by Meldrim
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To: gaijin

As a semi-professional psychoanalyst (I only do it at the local watering hole on weekends), I believe I can explain the strange sense of confusion you're feeling.

You're under the delusion that anything nasty that happens to a heterosexual, white, Christian male is somehow wrong, when the experts on such topics as feminism, gender and race studies, and the crowd at the Berkeley Faculty lounge have stressed that this is certainly not the case. For nearly 4 decades, no less. You would have known this if you watched Dan Rather. Should something nasty happen to the aforementioned straight, white, christian male, then that is merely his just desserts, as he has a historical (if not litteral) responsibility for centuries of oppression, slavery, rape, plunder and imperialism against the defenseless non-white, non-straight, non-males who managed to somehow find themselves stranded on the planet with us. One may escape the criminal justice system, but Cosmic Justice wins out in the end.

On the other hand, if heterosexual, white, christian males should do something nasty to a memeber of another group, preferably non-white, non-males, then he is to be called a Nazi, Fascist, Barbarian, Republican and worst of all, Conservative. This is merely to let people elsewhere know that he is not a very nice person. He is then supposed to be dragged through the legal system which will systematically sever him from his property, his funds, his pride and, ultimately, his sanity. Once this has been achieved, we'll all be equal (or at least equally miserable).

Finally, should something happen to a non-male in general, and non-white male specifically, then that person is to be raised upon a pedestal, mourned with a fervor not usually seen outside of a Nuremburg rally, and have their (usually) minimal achievements held up as some sort of shining example. Of what, is open to debate.

I hope this clears things up for you.

On a serious note: the death of five Marines is no joke. God keep their souls.


88 posted on 06/24/2005 7:07:30 PM PDT by Wombat101 (Sanitized for YOUR protection....)
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To: ken5050

The democrap leadership is winning the PR war for the terrorists. Voters should be proud. [/sarcasm]


89 posted on 06/24/2005 7:20:10 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: lugsoul
Fallujah the "safest city in Iraq."
That's like the coolest spot in hell.
90 posted on 06/25/2005 1:56:40 AM PDT by jaykay (The following statement is true: The preceding statement was false.)
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To: Salvey
When, oh when, are we going to take off the gloves and fight this thing as wars should be fought?

I'm not holding my breath.
91 posted on 06/25/2005 2:01:36 AM PDT by jaykay (The following statement is true: The preceding statement was false.)
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To: RicocheT
The enemy wants us to react with harsh measures to put us in a bad light.

The enemy, including the internal enemies, put us in a bad light anyway, Durbin being the latest example. Might as well live up to our bad rep.
92 posted on 06/25/2005 2:08:19 AM PDT by jaykay (The following statement is true: The preceding statement was false.)
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To: MensRightsActivist
Men are stressed out more than ever, trying to figure out the proper way to behave towards women in this climate of "morphing" female gender roles.

What stress? Behave honorably and chivalrously, and if they, individually, can't handle that, it demeans them, not us.

You can expect performance of a job they have taken on regardless of gender and still treat a lady like a lady.

But frankly, in some jobs, that will not work, and combat is one.

Men should not spend their time fretting about catering to political correctness and just be ourselves--the men our grandfathers taught us to be.

93 posted on 06/25/2005 2:24:43 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: Meldrim

"Benchmark of zero" for what? Women to be drafted in the event of a draft?

If so, should women still be allowed in the military?


94 posted on 06/25/2005 2:33:47 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Robe
I have said from the start of this, that the only way you defeat your enemy is to remove his will to fight. This is what occurred after WWII, the Germans and Japanese were so damn tired of the hardships imposed on them via the destruction of cities and the related infrastructure they were "pacified" This crap about not being at war with the civilian population is BS. The only thing these animals respect is shear power...why do you think they never ventured to overthrow Saddam?

So you are saying we should recreate a government in the image of Saddam? Would that make coalition troops the new republican guard? Sorry I've got to say your plan sucks - we aren't living in roman times anymore (although the terrorists are).

95 posted on 06/25/2005 7:35:48 AM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: oceanview

I agree, apache escorts would be a good thing for our convoys. There's too much of this homicide bombing going on. Something has to change concerning our military procedures, because our people are sitting ducks over there.


96 posted on 06/25/2005 8:41:48 AM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: ducks1944; Ragtime Cowgirl; Alamo-Girl; TrueBeliever9; anniegetyourgun; maestro; TEXOKIE; ...
A suicide car bomber slammed into a U.S. military convoy in Fallujah, killing two Marines, a Pentagon spokesman said Friday. Three Marines and a sailor were missing after the attack.


97 posted on 06/25/2005 8:44:51 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: ken5050
If we didn't take steps to tip toe around elements that would create propaganda, we may have more dead soldiers.

By taking outrageous steps to give the Quran special handling and showing respect for the Islamic culture; than the left has less ammunition to use to inflame the Islamic Nationals.
98 posted on 06/25/2005 8:50:47 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Women should not be in the military.

But that's just an opinion.


99 posted on 06/25/2005 9:01:48 AM PDT by TAquinas
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To: Calpernia

Thank God for all these heroes and their loved ones!


100 posted on 06/25/2005 9:02:39 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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