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Angry Cruise defends Scientology bar on drugs
timesonline.co.uk ^ | June 26, 2005 | John Harlow

Posted on 06/25/2005 8:24:06 PM PDT by phoenix_004

THE actor Tom Cruise has added to a growing reputation for eccentricity after a heated row on American television over his support for the Church of Scientology. Cruise, 42 — whose new film, War of the Worlds, had its London premiere last week — rounded on Matt Lauer, genial host of NBC’s Today programme, when the subject of their interview turned to the controversial religion and the prospect of his fiancée Katie Holmes, 26, being converted.

“Scientology is something that you don’t understand,” declared Cruise. “It is a religion. Because it’s dealing with the spirit. You as a spiritual being.”

The interview became more combative when he was asked about a public reprimand that he gave recently to Brooke Shields, the actress, for taking antidepressants rather than vitamins when she was diagnosed with postnatal depression.

Founded by L Ron Hubbard, the science fiction writer, in the 1950s, Scientology — which claims more than 8m members worldwide — teaches that psychiatry is “Nazi science” and that its medicines are all about mind control.

When Lauer said that many people had been helped by such drugs, Cruise dropped his famous smile and declared: “You are glib. You don’t know the history of psychiatry. I do.”

Although such pronouncements have raised Cruise’s profile in the run-up to the release of the £100m film, there are signs that they may encourage some people to stay away.

According to a poll published last Friday by the MSNBC TV channel, 69% of viewers said Cruise was “just plain wrong” on the role of doctors and the use of drugs to alleviate mental distress.

Some 61% of Entertainment Weekly magazine’s readers, meanwhile, said they did not like the new ebullient Cruise as much as the quietly controlled superstar of yesteryear. And 41% said they would not go to see his new film — as against 34% who said they would.

Until recently Cruise — who has reached the status in Scientology comparable with that of a senior Church of England figure privy to its inner secrets — followed the advice of Pat Kingsley, his veteran public relations adviser, to stay “engagingly mysterious” about his beliefs. Then Cruise sacked Kingsley and decided to start promoting his faith loudly.

Last week it was widely reported that when he was preparing to shoot Mission Impossible 3, due to start filming later this year, he tried — unsuccessfully — to convert his potential co-star Scarlett Johansson to Scientology.

On the War of the Worlds set Cruise paid for a “cappuccino tent” where crews could ask for an “assist” or interview, with Scientologists dishing out the coffee.

Cruise said that he felt “liberated” talking about such issues and dismissed scepticism about his three-month romance. In another part of the NBC interview he told Lauer: “I have never worried about what other people think and what other people say. I am really happy. I can’t restrain myself.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hollywood; scientology; tomcruise; waroftheworlds
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1 posted on 06/25/2005 8:24:11 PM PDT by phoenix_004
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To: phoenix_004

Tom Cruise is losing it !!!!!

That said,we do use too many drugs in this country.


2 posted on 06/25/2005 8:27:09 PM PDT by Mears (Keep the government out of my face!)
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To: phoenix_004
“I have never worried about what other people think and what other people say. I am really happy. I can’t restrain myself.”

That's your whole problem, Tom.

3 posted on 06/25/2005 8:27:18 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (Do something nice for a Gitmo detainee: buy him a pit bull, for his cell.)
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To: phoenix_004

A nervous breakdown is never a pretty thing to watch.


4 posted on 06/25/2005 8:27:39 PM PDT by kms61
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To: Mears

Tom has just replaced drugs with a cult. Either way, the result is the same.


5 posted on 06/25/2005 8:28:06 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (Do something nice for a Gitmo detainee: buy him a pit bull, for his cell.)
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To: phoenix_004

Boy he sure didn't look happy.


6 posted on 06/25/2005 8:28:24 PM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: phoenix_004
Cruise sacked Kingsley and decided to start promoting his faith loudly.

Keep talkin' Tom

7 posted on 06/25/2005 8:28:44 PM PDT by apackof2 (In my simple way, I guess you could say I'm living in the BIG TIME)
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To: phoenix_004

It's a Religion, just like Kwanza is Christmas.

(and Islam is TROP)

TT


8 posted on 06/25/2005 8:28:55 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: kms61
Last week it was widely reported that when he was preparing to shoot Mission Impossible 3, due to start filming later this year, he tried — unsuccessfully — to convert his potential co-star Scarlett Johansson to Scientology.

On the War of the Worlds set Cruise paid for a “cappuccino tent” where crews could ask for an “assist” or interview, with Scientologists dishing out the coffee.

Can you imagine if a Christian did this in the workplace, especially Hollywood? He would be put under the jail. Just let someone who belongs to a kook cult do it, and not a peep.

9 posted on 06/25/2005 8:29:51 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (Do something nice for a Gitmo detainee: buy him a pit bull, for his cell.)
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To: phoenix_004

Please Tom...."restrain yourself". Gosh, the guy is just plain dumb when he opens his mouth. These stars are going to pay the price. There was a reason the studios used to "manage " the big stars. Why do you think they call it "Entertainment"...ha.


10 posted on 06/25/2005 8:29:52 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 9-11!)
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To: phoenix_004

http://www.xenu.net


11 posted on 06/25/2005 8:30:48 PM PDT by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Though it hasn't been as widely publicized, Madonna's Kabbalah obsession has really caused her to do some off-the-deep-end things.


12 posted on 06/25/2005 8:31:23 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (Do something nice for a Gitmo detainee: buy him a pit bull, for his cell.)
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To: phoenix_004

Talk show host Craig Ferguson (CBS after Letterman) spent his first 10 minutes of the show last night tearing into Cruise. He even played clips of the interview and mocked him.

It was awesome. :)

Best of all, he said "I hope one day celebrities learn to shut up about things they know *&$&$ about."


13 posted on 06/25/2005 8:32:31 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: Mears

Maybe he's off his meds.....
susie


14 posted on 06/25/2005 8:32:43 PM PDT by brytlea (Yes, there are Republican teachers...)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Craig Ferguson was making fun of him last night for the entire intro to his show last night. It was a sight to behold.


15 posted on 06/25/2005 8:33:25 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: brytlea

Good one,brytlea,good one!


16 posted on 06/25/2005 8:34:28 PM PDT by Mears (Keep the government out of my face!)
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To: phoenix_004

Stupid, pretty-boy, Hollywood cultist.

And on this issue, he's 100% right!


17 posted on 06/25/2005 8:39:18 PM PDT by AlexandriaDuke
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To: Paul Atreides

Madonna is a has been. Her Kabballah scenario is pathetic.
The worst thing that can happen to a star,Madonna or Cruise, is that they become boring. They are there!


18 posted on 06/25/2005 8:40:02 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 9-11!)
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To: Mears

I can't wait until he (cruise) or someone else in his family has a mental breakdown/issue or something along those lines, and then they'll need proper treatment - at that point he'll change is mind.

Anyway, anyone who'd bother to follow some cult made up by some 2-bit supposed SF writer, has some serious problems in their life. I pity him.


19 posted on 06/25/2005 8:42:09 PM PDT by John Frum
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To: phoenix_004
Tom's use of vitamins instead of conventional meds doesn't seem to be helping him much. He's becoming more of a fruitcake by the hour.

Laura Ingraham was playing parts of Tom's last Oprah appearance and giving her commentary on it. It's been a long time since I laughed that hard.

20 posted on 06/25/2005 9:06:33 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." -- G.W. Bush, regarding Sen. Kerry's lack of vision)
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To: Paul Atreides

"Can you imagine if a Christian did this in the workplace, especially Hollywood? He would be put under the jail. Just let someone who belongs to a kook cult do it, and not a peep."

Paul,

Mel Gibson had mass on the set of "the Passion of the Christ"... It happens..

PS.. Has the sleeper awakened??? ;-)


21 posted on 06/25/2005 9:09:25 PM PDT by 1stFreedom (1)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Yep, that's why celebrities need handlers to wipe their chin and get them to their next business meeting where their lawyer does all the talking. These goofs are no good on their own.


22 posted on 06/25/2005 9:09:28 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." -- G.W. Bush, regarding Sen. Kerry's lack of vision)
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To: phoenix_004

Tom Cruise is a popular actor, ergo he is an authority on everything! (At one time our Western Civilization was healthy enough to forbid actors from remaining in town after sunset. Today they escape the most heinous crimes.)


23 posted on 06/25/2005 9:16:27 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: 1stFreedom

If memory serves, Mel was making the movie on his own dime. He was, in essence, the boss. Had he been on the set of someone else's movie, doing the same thing, I would say the same as I've said about Cruise. Likewise, if Tom was producing his own movie, on his own dime, I would say go for it. It's the double-standard about which I was speaking.


24 posted on 06/25/2005 9:18:19 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (Do something nice for a Gitmo detainee: buy him a pit bull, for his cell.)
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To: phoenix_004
defends Scientology bar on drugs

Never been in a scientology bar, let along while on drugs.

25 posted on 06/25/2005 9:22:00 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido

let along = let alone


26 posted on 06/25/2005 9:23:15 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: phoenix_004

"I never worry about what other people think and what other people say."

If this is true, why promote any of his movies? If this is true, why TRY to convert anyone?


27 posted on 06/25/2005 9:25:13 PM PDT by This Just In ("Those are my principles, if you don't like them, I've got others" - Groucho Marx)
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To: Mears
My conspiracy theory on Tom Cruises' unusual behavior of late... I'll start it by saying that I spent a good part of today reading up on Scientology.... My theory: I think he is trying to get out of the cult. He isn't getting new recruits with his behavior. Hes turning people off... I think he may have just tried to leave when the 'Gay Tom Cruise' rumors started to circulate. That brought him back in line with the church... I think he is trying to get himself kicked out.

Just a theory, but it makes sense after looking at some of other 'EX' Scientology stories today.

The religion doesn't let go lightly, especially someone like Cruise. .

28 posted on 06/25/2005 9:25:15 PM PDT by abner (Looking for a new tagline- Next outrage please!- Got it! PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS LOST IN THE USA!)
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To: 1stFreedom

"....mass on the set of "the Passion of the Christ"...It happens."

It was a film on Christ. Quite appropriate to hold mass.

Then again, maybe "Mission Impossible" is quite appropriate to try and convert indivduals to Scientology.


29 posted on 06/25/2005 9:29:01 PM PDT by This Just In ("Those are my principles, if you don't like them, I've got others" - Groucho Marx)
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To: Larry Lucido

LOL! Can't you just picture it?


30 posted on 06/25/2005 9:29:33 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: abner
Well, if he is trying to be expelled why not go on a prescription drug induced binge. He's an actor. He knows how to be creative. ;^)
31 posted on 06/25/2005 9:32:25 PM PDT by This Just In ("Those are my principles, if you don't like them, I've got others" - Groucho Marx)
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To: kms61

It's still the most interesting thing he's ever done.


32 posted on 06/25/2005 9:32:27 PM PDT by stands2reason (GINOBILI and HORRY are my MVPS!!!)
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To: Mears

Tom Craze?


33 posted on 06/25/2005 9:35:46 PM PDT by stands2reason (GINOBILI and HORRY are my MVPS!!!)
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To: This Just In
Well, if he is trying to be expelled why not go on a prescription drug induced binge. He's an actor. He knows how to be creative

That would be too obvious I think. And fixable... If he is hurting Scientology though, that is a BAD thing... and something he can be expelled for.

34 posted on 06/25/2005 9:40:34 PM PDT by abner (Looking for a new tagline- Next outrage please!- Got it! PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS LOST IN THE USA!)
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To: arasina
This is a scientology bar.

This is a scientology bar on drugs.

This is a scientology bar with a side of bacon, sausage and buttered toast.

Any questions?

35 posted on 06/25/2005 9:40:57 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: phoenix_004

Cruise needs some Prozac.


36 posted on 06/25/2005 9:42:24 PM PDT by Redcloak (We'll raise up our glasses against evil forces singin' "whiskey for my men and beer for my horses!")
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To: phoenix_004

These ''movie stars'' are constantly surrounded by an entourage of yes people who are constantly telling them how wonderful and marvelous they are. So when someone out in the real world actually disagrees with something they say'' they cant handle the truth''! THEY GO BALLISTIC!


37 posted on 06/25/2005 9:42:48 PM PDT by Bush gal in LA
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To: Larry Lucido

"Any questions?"

Yes. Do you have any Grey Poupon?


38 posted on 06/25/2005 9:43:49 PM PDT by This Just In ("Those are my principles, if you don't like them, I've got others" - Groucho Marx)
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To: Paul Atreides

Okay, the choice is

1. Drugs

2. Believing that your body is inhabited by 100 million year old space aliens waiting for the SpaceGod Xemu to restore the Galactic Confederation



I'll have the drugs.
Because there ain't a drug powerful enough for me to believe that #2 crap. :-)


39 posted on 06/25/2005 9:50:30 PM PDT by stands2reason (GINOBILI and HORRY are my MVPS!!!)
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To: rwfromkansas

Cool.

I wonder if Dave and Leno have joined in yet....


40 posted on 06/25/2005 9:52:35 PM PDT by stands2reason (GINOBILI and HORRY are my MVPS!!!)
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To: AlexandriaDuke


So you believe that there's no such thing as a chemical imbalance and psychotics and schizophrenics can be cured with vitamins and some freaky auditing sessions?


Man, the people you meet on FR these days...


41 posted on 06/25/2005 9:55:35 PM PDT by stands2reason (GINOBILI and HORRY are my MVPS!!!)
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To: Larry Lucido

ROFL! Yuh crackin' me up again.


42 posted on 06/25/2005 9:56:04 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: Paul Atreides; Mears
Tom has just replaced drugs with a cult. Either way, the result is the same.

LOL. You beat me to it! With this addition - drugs are easier to break away from, people are willing to help, and there are effective treatments. The grip of this cult and other cults is quite powerful, they work hard to invent ways to keep you and prevent you from leaving.

43 posted on 06/25/2005 10:01:34 PM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: stands2reason

That would be some freaky expensive auditing.
This is another "religion" like kabbalah that treats the celebrity members different than the regular joe ones.


44 posted on 06/25/2005 10:13:31 PM PDT by Aleighanne
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
(At one time our Western Civilization was healthy enough to forbid actors from remaining in town after sunset. Today they escape the most heinous crimes.)

I like what Samuel Johnson said about actors:

"Players, Sir! I look on them as no better than creatures set upon tables and joint stools to make faces and produce laughter, like dancing dogs."

45 posted on 06/25/2005 10:17:17 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: phoenix_004

46 posted on 06/25/2005 10:18:22 PM PDT by xrp (Fox News Channel should rename itself the Missing Persons Network)
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To: phoenix_004
Rumor has it that Tom Cruise missed the mother ship when he joined Heavens Gate?
47 posted on 06/25/2005 10:21:48 PM PDT by april15Bendovr
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To: stands2reason

Google "Zoloft" "Violent" sometime ...


48 posted on 06/25/2005 10:32:43 PM PDT by AlexandriaDuke
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To: phoenix_004

Scientology means never having to say you're freakin' nuts.


49 posted on 06/25/2005 10:36:52 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Carnac: A siren, a baby and a liberal. Answer: Name three things that whine.)
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To: AlexandriaDuke

You ignored my question. How come?


50 posted on 06/25/2005 11:00:37 PM PDT by stands2reason (GINOBILI and HORRY are my MVPS!!!)
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