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Clinton Honors Graham at Final Revival (I'm so Confused)
Yahoo, AP ^ | June 26, 2005 | RACHEL ZOLL

Posted on 06/26/2005 9:17:36 AM PDT by AZConcervative

As his final American revival meeting continued Saturday, a fragile Billy Graham was met onstage by former President Clinton, who honored the evangelist, calling him "a man I love."

Clinton spoke briefly before Graham's sermon and recalled how the man known as America's pastor had refused to preach before a segregated audience in Arkansas decades ago when that state was in a bitter fight over school desegregation.

"I was just a little boy and I'll never forget it," said Clinton, who was joined by his wife, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. "I've loved him ever since. God bless you, friend."

Graham called the Clintons "wonderful friends" and "a great couple," quipping that the former president should become an evangelist and allow "his wife to run the country."

Graham, 86, then launched into a short sermon that was interrupted by applause five times. Organizers estimated 80,000 people had come to the crusade at Flushing Meadows-Corona Park in Queens — about 20,000 more than the opening night Friday. The rally ends Sunday.

The evangelist is suffering from fluid on the brain, prostate cancer and Parkinson's disease. He uses the walker due to a pelvic fracture and is largely confined to his home in Montreat, N.C. He had said previously that the rally "will be the last in America, I'm sure."

Despite his many ailments, he spoke strongly for about 15 minutes, in an address meant to appeal to young people. He peppered his speech with pop-culture references from Madonna to Bono to MTV. He wove a parable about bad decision-making from the plot of "Star Wars: Episode III — Revenge of the Sith," in which Anakin Skywalker becomes the villain Darth Vader.

"The decisions you make tonight will effect your whole future and your eternal future," he said, before inviting people forward to accept Christ.

Graham's son and successor, the Rev. Franklin Graham, sat nearby, ready to finish the speech in case his father could not. But Franklin Graham was needed only to help his father move onstage.

Seats began filling hours before the event began, as temperatures reached into the 90s. Speakers repeatedly encouraged people in the audience to drink water to avoid fainting. Graham waited to go on in an air-conditioned tent, with aides nearby in case of a medical emergency, and the stage was shaded by a massive canopy.

Graham's pulpit has a movable seat hidden from view, so he can sit if he feels unsteady. He used the seat Saturday only after he finished his sermon.

Graham is considering a request to hold a rally in November in London, but Franklin Graham said his father no longer adjusts well to time zone changes and does not like to be away from his wife, Ruth, who is also in ill health.

Graham has preached to more than 210 million people in 185 countries. He has been sought out by U.S. presidents and leaders worldwide and, more than any other religious figure, has come to represent the American evangelical movement.

Marie St. Louis, 34, who came to the event hours early Saturday with friends and family from her New York church, called the rally "bittersweet" because it was Graham's last in the United States.

"It's sad because he's such a legend," St. Louis said. "When you think of Billy Graham, you think of a lot of things a Christian


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Somebody please explain this to me. How could Billy Graham think these things about two such self centered people. The exact opposite of what Christians should be.
1 posted on 06/26/2005 9:17:38 AM PDT by AZConcervative
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To: AZConcervative
I was just a little boy and I'll never forget it," said Clinton

Was this before or after he remembered the black churches that didn't burn down?

2 posted on 06/26/2005 9:20:14 AM PDT by skip_intro
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To: AZConcervative
Clinton spoke briefly before Graham's sermon and recalled how the man known as America's pastor had refused to preach before a segregated audience in Arkansas decades ago when that state was in a bitter fight over school desegregation. Makes me wonder if this was like the black church burnings clinton recalled?
3 posted on 06/26/2005 9:21:15 AM PDT by JoanneSD
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To: AZConcervative

Do you recall that Billy also defended Clinton in the Lewinsky scandal, saying that the then President had "such a way with the ladies," or some such nonsense? He has been close to all incumbent Presidents since Eisenhower. And he would have been close to Dole too if Dole had made a serious effort and been elected.


4 posted on 06/26/2005 9:21:45 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: AZConcervative

Maybe Graham said "Get behind me Bubba", and it was not reported in the press.


5 posted on 06/26/2005 9:21:56 AM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: skip_intro
Was this before or after he remembered the black churches that didn't burn down?

It would be after..
but..
BEFORE his first attempted rape.

6 posted on 06/26/2005 9:22:43 AM PDT by evad (No action to secure borders, No action on judges... NO MONEY!)
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To: JoanneSD

It is true that Graham integrated all of his Crusades from the 1950s onward. This aroused some opposition in the South too.


7 posted on 06/26/2005 9:22:57 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: Theodore R.

I don't remember that. This whole thing is really disappointing to me. Does anyone have any intellectual honesty anymore? I hoppe Benedict stays the course.


8 posted on 06/26/2005 9:23:19 AM PDT by AZConcervative
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To: AZConcervative
I'm with you. A multiple rapist and perjurer (and his enabler, Lady Macbeth) "honor" a supposed religious leader by praising him? Is the writer insane? Is Billy Graham insane? Are the Clintons insane? Well, yes, the Clintons are insane, but in a crafty, single-minded way.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column: "An Open Letter to Justice Kennedy"

9 posted on 06/26/2005 9:24:10 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Anyone who takes the MSM seriously, deserves the likes of Dick Durbin.)
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To: AZConcervative
Billy Graham made an announcement 2 days ago. He said he was not going to get into politics, nor would he answer any questions on social issues that he would have answered 20 years ago.

All he wanted to do, he said, was preach the message that God loves you, and that Jesus Christ died for you to pay a penalty for your sins and mine.

Then, Rev. Graham shows up with Bill Clinton, and essentially endorses Hillary for President in 2008.

I am stunned.

10 posted on 06/26/2005 9:25:17 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: AZConcervative

Apparently Franklin is the real conservative in the Graham family, and Graham is the popular "moderate." Ruth was once very conservative too, saying that unless God punished the wicked people of the U.S., He would have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah.


11 posted on 06/26/2005 9:25:17 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: AZConcervative
I think BG was is all about bringing people to Christ, powerful and not so powerful. He is very careful to stay out of politics because he does not want that to alienate anyone from his core message—Christ.

When you hear statements like these quoted, I think that they are a misrepresentation of Grahams effort to stay away from the political, while still ministering to people who truly need the message.

12 posted on 06/26/2005 9:27:24 AM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: AZConcervative

Yes, I saw it on the "Today" show, a program that I watch about once every five years. Graham essentially evoked the old Ann W. Richards line about Clinton not being able to "hep' himself" around attractive "ladies." My wife stopped watching the occasional Graham crusades on television thereafter. I think though that Franklin will restore real Christian substance to the crusades. He does not seem to care if people like him the way his poor father does.


13 posted on 06/26/2005 9:28:56 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: SkyPilot
Rev. Graham shows up with Bill Clinton, and essentially endorses Hillary for President in 2008.

Didn't one or more of the Bushes recently do pretty much the same thing? I wonder if Graham is close to McCain, who may be Hillary's opponent?

14 posted on 06/26/2005 9:31:26 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: pollyannaish

If you think that praising a rapist/perjurer/(insert word here) is how Christ wants people brought to Him you need to read your Bible more. Christs condemns people like the Clintons in no unceartain terms.


15 posted on 06/26/2005 9:31:53 AM PDT by AZConcervative
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To: AZConcervative

...and satan smiled...


16 posted on 06/26/2005 9:32:50 AM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Quick, act casual. If they sense scorn and ridicule, they'll flee..)
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To: pollyannaish

I looked forward all week to see Billy Graham's final appearance and seeing those two there ruined it for me. What @!@k were they doing there anyway?! God help us!


17 posted on 06/26/2005 9:33:15 AM PDT by poobear (Imagine a world of liberal silence.)
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To: pollyannaish

Also, Graham probably knows how liberal NY people are, and he wanted to plug Hillary to get them to be more receptive to his preaching.


18 posted on 06/26/2005 9:33:18 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: Theodore R.

See post 15


19 posted on 06/26/2005 9:34:02 AM PDT by AZConcervative
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To: AZConcervative
NEW! JEANINE PIRRO--HILLARY CLINTON VIRTUAL MATCHUP
topic: abuse of women

 


20 posted on 06/26/2005 9:34:12 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: pollyannaish

"I think that they are a misrepresentation of Grahams effort to stay away from the political, while still ministering to people who truly need the message."

Your screen name is appropos. Unfortunately Graham has a long history of this type of behaviour. This is no "misrepresentation" but a sad continuation of Grahams friendship with the world. And BTW I can think of few people who "truly need the message" more than Bill & Hil.

James 4:4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.


21 posted on 06/26/2005 9:34:57 AM PDT by The Lumster
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To: AZConcervative
Somebody please explain this to me. How could Billy Graham think these things about two such self centered people. The exact opposite of what Christians should be.

It's explained in the article.

Graham called the Clintons "wonderful friends" and "a great couple," quipping that the former president should become an evangelist and allow "his wife to run the country."...The evangelist is suffering from fluid on the brain,

22 posted on 06/26/2005 9:34:58 AM PDT by joshhiggins (The only good muslim is a bad muslim, and vice versa.)
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To: Theodore R.
Yup, Graham said it wasn't clinton's fault. He was just soo handsome the women just threw themselves at him.

That told me all I needed to know.

23 posted on 06/26/2005 9:35:05 AM PDT by OldFriend (AMERICAN WARS SET MEN FREE)
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To: AZConcervative
Graham called the Clintons "wonderful friends" and "a great couple," quipping that the former president should become an evangelist and allow "his wife to run the country."

The evangelist is suffering from fluid on the brain......

Gee, what was your FIRST clue?

24 posted on 06/26/2005 9:36:10 AM PDT by cincinnati65 (Just up the road a piece.......)
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To: pollyannaish
Are you defending the indefensible?

Graham's statement about the Clinton's was offensive in the extreme.

25 posted on 06/26/2005 9:36:30 AM PDT by OldFriend (AMERICAN WARS SET MEN FREE)
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I guess this is a draw. The Dems got Graham and we got Tony Blair's son choosing to do an internship with a Republican.

Its a bizarro world.


26 posted on 06/26/2005 9:36:35 AM PDT by ClarenceThomasfan ( We (want) got a Bush landslide in November!!!)
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To: AZConcervative

It's pretty clear that electing a Democrat would be a step toward theocracy.


27 posted on 06/26/2005 9:37:39 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: AZConcervative
Christ condemns people like the Clintons in no uncertain terms.

You know the truth, and I know the truth, but most of the people of NY do not know the truth. I do think Graham thought what he was doing was perfectly acceptable in God's eyes to reach uninformed sinful people. But John the Baptist did not treat Herod as Billy treats the Clintons, did he?

28 posted on 06/26/2005 9:37:40 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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Then, Rev. Graham shows up with Bill Clinton, and essentially endorses Hillary for President in 2008.

Not to excuse his poor choice of company, but I didn't read this as Graham's endorsement for Hillary 2008.

29 posted on 06/26/2005 9:39:48 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: AZConcervative

Some words just don't go together...like "Clinton" and "honor."


30 posted on 06/26/2005 9:40:17 AM PDT by sweetliberty (Never argue with a fool. People might not know the difference.)
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To: OldFriend

Yea, Graham was elevating Clinton to a personal pedestal high above that of the Hebrew Joseph, who fled from the wicked wife of Potiphar when confronted by aggressive women.


31 posted on 06/26/2005 9:40:31 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: AZConcervative
Graham should stick to preaching,politics is not his forte.

..."quipping that the former president should become an evangelist and allow "his wife to run the country."

I am assuming he means that she should be president.The president does not "run the country".At best,he runs the executive branch of the government.Hardly the same thing.But when taken with his remark that Clinton should become an evangelist,the whole thing begins to smack of sarcasm.

32 posted on 06/26/2005 9:41:12 AM PDT by kennyo
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To: sweetliberty

Remember, NY had "real" Clintons, George and DeWitt, before these charlatan interlopers.


33 posted on 06/26/2005 9:41:16 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: kennyo

Billy also publicly advised his close friend LBJ in 1968 or 1969 to become an evangelist. LBJ instead just retired to his ranch and turnd even more liberal in retirement.


34 posted on 06/26/2005 9:42:21 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: Theodore R.

No, no, no no, no, no, no, no...

The Lord does not compromise like that, weak people do.

You are basically saying that God would say, when speaking to a group of abortion proponents, tell them I think abortion is o. k. so that they will accept me and hear "the rest" of My message...


35 posted on 06/26/2005 9:42:33 AM PDT by AZConcervative
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To: ClarenceThomasfan
"He wove a parable about bad decision-making..."

Lewinsky
36 posted on 06/26/2005 9:42:52 AM PDT by MidlandDesperado (There is none so blind as they that won't see. Jonathan Swift.)
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"Clinton spoke briefly before Graham's sermon and recalled how the man known as America's pastor had refused to preach before a segregated audience in Arkansas decades ago when that state was in a bitter fight over school desegregation."

..Graham's sermon never stopped him from belonging to the ALL WHITE prestigious Little Rock Country Club the whole time he was Governor.

sw

37 posted on 06/26/2005 9:43:42 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: kennyo

The idea of the President "running the country" began, I assume, with popular NY Democrat FDR. Or was it later?


38 posted on 06/26/2005 9:43:43 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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Yea, Graham was elevating Clinton to a personal pedestal high above that of the Hebrew Joseph, who fled from the wicked wife of Potiphar when confronted by aggressive women.

Graham should not have allowed his picutre to be used for such potentially evil purposes (Hillary 2008). However, most approaching that stage in life have a change of perspective.

39 posted on 06/26/2005 9:43:57 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: spectre

Good point, hypocrisy flourishes among the American people and their intelligentsia as well. The Apostle Paul would have confronted the hypocrisy directly, and of course he was beheaded. Wickedness does not invite reproof.


40 posted on 06/26/2005 9:45:25 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: AZConcervative
True. There is no doubt about that. And I do believe that Graham has sold out his beliefs on occasion to rub shoulders with the rich and powerful.

That being said, the meeting was in NY and his audience probably likes and agrees with B & H. So insulting them would have turned off many of the people in his audience who would have ceased to listen to his real message. He was probably too generous, but what I read was that he was admiring Clinton's ability to speak effectively and the R-C's job as a senator.

I feel pretty strongly that politics can get in the way of bringing people to Christ. I know some very devout Christians that are politically liberal. (Although honestly, I can't figure out how!) I believe that someday, they will be more conservative. But I couldn't live with myself if I ran them off Christianity because I made my politics the issue. (They actually hate Clinton too—but love Carter. Blech!)

Boy, is this next statement going to get me flamed: I guess I just can't imagine Jesus down here getting into the political fray, but rather meeting each of us where we are, pointing our sin out to us and offering us redemption one at a time. It's a wider message, that's all. And what happens if BC ends up in heaven after all? Would you be mad? (I'm going to stay away from Hillary on that one...she seems less "saveable" to me at this point because of her continued arrogance, etc. ; ) )

41 posted on 06/26/2005 9:46:17 AM PDT by pollyannaish
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the former president should become an evangelist and allow "his wife to run the country

Does Billy Graham have dementia?

42 posted on 06/26/2005 9:47:01 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: AZConcervative

What I meant to say is that I think Billy thought that he was right to evoke the popular Clintons while in NY. He was not right to do so. I have also heard him similarly evoke such "distinguished" personages as the Reverend Jesse Louis Jackson, Sr., too. I don't know if he has similarly embraced some "third-world" tyrants, popular with the American leadership class too, such as Fidel Castro. He may have invoked Nelson Mandela too.


43 posted on 06/26/2005 9:48:40 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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Clinton Honors Graham at Final Revival

...proving once again that hypocrisy is the homage vice pays to virtue.

44 posted on 06/26/2005 9:48:54 AM PDT by RichInOC (I look forward to Bubba debating the meaning of "is" with God at the Last Judgment.)
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I'm so sorry! I know what you mean. It puts politics right into the middle of it. Like going to a movie and having to sit through a liberal lecture when you just wanted to enjoy it.

I was glad that Fox News had someone there live though. When was the last time you saw THAT covered on tv?

45 posted on 06/26/2005 9:49:47 AM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: AZConcervative
I hope Benedict stays the course.

I think you can count on the Holy Father. In fact, I would bet my life on it.

46 posted on 06/26/2005 9:50:19 AM PDT by Bahbah (Something wicked this way comes)
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To: linkinpunk

Graham almost never spoke about abortion. I once heard him note that a line in, Jeremiah, I believe, points out that the Almight "knew us" in the mother's womb. But he never got involved in abortion politics, perhaps because some of his favorite politicos like Nixon, Ford, Carter, and Clinton were openly pro-abortion.


47 posted on 06/26/2005 9:52:30 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: AZConcervative

Did the Grahams invite Bubba? Or did Bubba invite himself?


48 posted on 06/26/2005 9:52:46 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: AZConcervative

Did Graham preach at the black church that burned into clintons mind when he was a child?


49 posted on 06/26/2005 9:52:53 AM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: AZConcervative
I wonder if John the Baptist would have praised Herod and his adultrerous relationship?

Actually I already know the answer to that question. John served no one but God and was murdered because he refused to cowtow to those in temporary power.

50 posted on 06/26/2005 9:52:59 AM PDT by christabel
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