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Clinton Honors Graham at Final Revival
Yahoo AP ^ | 06/26/05 | RACHEL ZOLL, AP Religion Writer

Posted on 06/26/2005 10:07:04 AM PDT by Josh in PA

Clinton Honors Graham at Final Revival

NEW YORK - As his final American revival meeting continued Saturday, a fragile Billy Graham was met onstage by former President Clinton, who honored the evangelist, calling him "a man I love."

Clinton spoke briefly before Graham's sermon and recalled how the man known as America's pastor had refused to preach before a segregated audience in Arkansas decades ago when that state was in a bitter fight over school desegregation.

"I was just a little boy and I'll never forget it," said Clinton, who was joined by his wife, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. "I've loved him ever since. God bless you, friend."

Graham called the Clintons "wonderful friends" and "a great couple," quipping that the former president should become an evangelist and allow "his wife to run the country."

Graham, 86, then launched into a short sermon that was interrupted by applause five times. Organizers estimated 80,000 people had come to the crusade at Flushing Meadows-Corona Park in Queens — about 20,000 more than the opening night Friday. The rally ends Sunday.

The evangelist is suffering from fluid on the brain, prostate cancer and Parkinson's disease. He uses the walker due to a pelvic fracture and is largely confined to his home in Montreat, N.C. He had said previously that the rally "will be the last in America, I'm sure."

Despite his many ailments, he spoke strongly for about 15 minutes, in an address meant to appeal to young people. He peppered his speech with pop-culture references from Madonna to Bono to MTV. He wove a parable about bad decision-making from the plot of "Star Wars: Episode III — Revenge of the Sith," in which Anakin Skywalker becomes the villain Darth Vader.

"The decisions you make tonight will effect your whole future and your eternal future," he said, before inviting people forward to accept Christ.

Graham's son and successor, the Rev. Franklin Graham, sat nearby, ready to finish the speech in case his father could not. But Franklin Graham was needed only to help his father move onstage.

Seats began filling hours before the event began, as temperatures reached into the 90s. Speakers repeatedly encouraged people in the audience to drink water to avoid fainting. Graham waited to go on in an air-conditioned tent, with aides nearby in case of a medical emergency, and the stage was shaded by a massive canopy.

Graham's pulpit has a movable seat hidden from view, so he can sit if he feels unsteady. He used the seat Saturday only after he finished his sermon.

Graham is considering a request to hold a rally in November in London, but Franklin Graham said his father no longer adjusts well to time zone changes and does not like to be away from his wife, Ruth, who is also in ill health.

Graham has preached to more than 210 million people in 185 countries. He has been sought out by U.S. presidents and leaders worldwide and, more than any other religious figure, has come to represent the American evangelical movement.

Marie St. Louis, 34, who came to the event hours early Saturday with friends and family from her New York church, called the rally "bittersweet" because it was Graham's last in the United States.

"It's sad because he's such a legend," St. Louis said. "When you think of Billy Graham, you think of a lot of things a Christian should be."


TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; billygraham; clinton; graham; hillary; impeachedx42; nyc
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To: Josh in PA
He did not exactly say Hillary should run be president...

Graham called the Clintons "wonderful friends" and "a great couple," quipping that the former president should become an evangelist and allow "his wife to run the country."

Now Willy as an evangelist would be pretty humorous... Willy chasing the choir girls around the organ

Not sure what he meant by letting her run the country..?

To be president or stay a Senator or for Willy just to leave her alone and go do something usefull himself..?

Who knows other than God and maybe not even Billy Graham..

51 posted on 06/26/2005 11:53:57 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Just trying to get in touch with my inner tagline)
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To: Josh in PA

The MSM of course will use this as Billy Graham endorsing
Hillary for POTUS...

Maybe Billy will go back on TV and set us straight...or maybe
not..

I dont know about you but not much the elite does in America
or gets caught doing suprises anymore..


52 posted on 06/26/2005 11:55:49 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Just trying to get in touch with my inner tagline)
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To: Neville72

Graham is just another praise God and pass the contribution plate preacher.


53 posted on 06/26/2005 12:11:47 PM PDT by Jimbaugh (They will not get away with this. Developing . . . . .)
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To: Luke
As Christians we are suppose to forgive others if we wish to be forgiven.

True enough, but there's a lot more going on here than Billy's opinion of the Clintons. In the first place, the Clintons haven't repented. They still advocate abortion on demand. When Billy Graham jokes about Hillary running the country, he might as well be making a dead baby joke.

The truth is that Billy Graham gave up on the historic Christian faith years ago. He sold out for bigger stadiums and a seeker-friendly message that would pull people back to church without changing their lives. The "reverend" Graham is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
54 posted on 06/26/2005 12:16:19 PM PDT by farmer18th ("The fool says in his heart there is no God.")
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To: MizSterious

I could hardly believe that he supports Hitlery....God warns us about false prophets..... Mark 13:22... "For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect."

I really do not know what to think about Mr. Graham....a part of me has wondered about him...along with any of the TV preachers


55 posted on 06/26/2005 12:17:48 PM PDT by Kimmers
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To: Josh in PA
Puke.

I'll see your puke and raise you hurl chunks.

56 posted on 06/26/2005 12:19:32 PM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

No, Klinton is a lying psychopath. And that is what is wrong.


57 posted on 06/26/2005 12:31:53 PM PDT by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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To: Josh in PA
Graham called the Clintons "wonderful friends" and "a great couple," quipping that the former president should become an evangelist and allow "his wife to run the country."

Beware of quotes which are clipped and which may have been taken out of context. Journalists do this all the time. We would have to see the complete sentences to know what Graham really meant and said.

That being said, Graham never spoke out against Clinton's crimes. I did not respect him for that. I'm glad he's won many to the Lord, but I never really trusted his politics.

I wouldn't be surprised if Graham was a socialist.

58 posted on 06/26/2005 12:57:27 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Josh in PA
Graham called the Clintons "wonderful friends" and "a great couple," quipping that the former president should become an evangelist and allow "his wife to run the country."

Run the country? Oh that poor man. I didn`t realize Rev. Graham had brain cancer as well.

59 posted on 06/26/2005 1:00:08 PM PDT by EdHallick (It`s time to play the feeuuud! "Name something evil" "Hitlery" ..Good answer good answer "Survey say)
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To: Josh in PA
Graham called the Clintons "wonderful friends" and "a great couple," quipping that the former president should become an evangelist and allow "his wife to run the country."

The Rev. Graham supports hell on earth? I can`t believe it!

"Now my subjects, time for you to pay for hell!! Bwa ha ha ha ha ha!"

60 posted on 06/26/2005 1:04:18 PM PDT by EdHallick (It`s time to play the feeuuud! "Name something evil" "Hitlery" ..Good answer good answer "Survey say)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March; All

"If Clinton doesn't hate you, you're doing something wrong."


This has NOTHING to do with Bill Clinton .. this is about Hillary APPEARING TO BE A CHRISTIAN .. but GOD will not be mocked.

We all know what Hillary thinks about Christians - and for her to make this grandstand play with the ever-forgiving Billy Graham is just Chutzpah to the extreme!

Billy Graham does not love their sins (which I'm confident he's aware of), but he does love all sinners - because that's the mission GOD gave him.

It's the Clinton's who are using Billy Graham for Hillary's political purposes. Shameful, shameful stunt.


61 posted on 06/26/2005 1:16:01 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: Josh in PA
Graham called the Clintons "wonderful friends" and "a great couple," quipping that the former president should become an evangelist and allow "his wife to run the country."


water on the brain must explain it.
62 posted on 06/26/2005 1:20:49 PM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isaiah 5:20-21)
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To: Josh in PA
Graham called the Clintons "wonderful friends" and "a great couple," quipping that the former president should become an evangelist and allow "his wife to run the country."


water on the brain must explain it.
63 posted on 06/26/2005 1:25:36 PM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isaiah 5:20-21)
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To: Josh in PA

Billy Graham is over-rated.


64 posted on 06/26/2005 1:47:15 PM PDT by Sally II
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To: Kimmers

I cannot trust, let alone respect, anyone who preaches the Gospel, yet praises the Clintons. Just a quirk of mine.


65 posted on 06/26/2005 1:51:04 PM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: Josh in PA

No! You cannot be a Christian and a socialist at the same time.


66 posted on 06/26/2005 1:59:52 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: vpintheak

No to what? Posted to the wrong guy, I think. No worries. I think Clinton is an evil, even by the standards of most of his fellow cocain addicts.


67 posted on 06/26/2005 2:06:58 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<< Ad Campaign for Durbin the Turban in profile)
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To: farmer18th

I fear there is much truth in what you have said.


68 posted on 06/26/2005 2:12:19 PM PDT by Luke (CPO, USCG (Ret))
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To: Josh in PA

Is this the same Billy Graham who says he is ready to go meet his maker, but every time he gets a headache, he heads to Mayo Clinic.


69 posted on 06/26/2005 2:21:29 PM PDT by boothead
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To: farmer18th
There is tons of follow up on everyone that makes a profession of faith at the crusades.

I truly believe that Billy Graham is not your average televangelist. I will make the excuse that he is naive, old and sick and need to retire.
70 posted on 06/26/2005 2:23:45 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: farmer18th
There is tons of follow up on everyone that makes a profession of faith at the crusades.

I truly believe that Billy Graham is not your average televangelist. I will make the excuse that he is naive, old and sick and need to retire.
71 posted on 06/26/2005 2:23:53 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: farmer18th
There is tons of follow up on everyone that makes a profession of faith at the crusades.

I truly believe that Billy Graham is not your average televangelist. I will make the excuse that he is naive, old and sick and need to retire.
72 posted on 06/26/2005 2:24:03 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: mariabush

Sorry about the double post.


73 posted on 06/26/2005 2:24:49 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: joesnuffy
Willy chasing the choir girls around the organ

Clarify, please? :)
74 posted on 06/26/2005 2:33:14 PM PDT by pleasedontzotme
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To: what's up
Beware of quotes which are clipped and which may have been taken out of context.

Here's a possible "context" that would excuse the right reverend Graham:

"...If you want warmed over socialism, homosexuals evangelizing your children, increased abortion, and the state deciding when you can live or die, Bill, let Hillary run the country. Otherwise, get down off this dais and go repent for your sins, you child of hell!"

Short of that, Billy has proven he has sold out to the evil side long ago...

You people who worship Billy Graham are little better than idol worshipers.
75 posted on 06/26/2005 3:03:50 PM PDT by farmer18th ("The fool says in his heart there is no God.")
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To: omega4412

"Graham shows more charity than prudence."

He's a televangelist sheister.

What next from you, a sprited defense of Jim, Tammy Faye, and Benny Hinn?


76 posted on 06/26/2005 3:17:19 PM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: All

There is a reason xxx42 is mistakenly regarded by many as "the greatest American".

The vast left wing conspiracy have effectively covered up Clinton's true liberalism and evil. There are way too many people in America who do not know his true nature and think the fuss about his Presidency is just about sex. For the longest time, I heard about the Mena conspiracy, Waco, the corruptness of the UN, and the scapegoating of Christians as "extremists" and I didn't believe it. I thought it was all anti-American propaganda.

That a man of God like the Reverend Billy Graham can sing the praises of the most evil man to ever hold power in the US is testament to the power of public education, media, and politiccal spin. He, like many others, have fallen prey to the lies and deception of our enemies. It also shows that we have a long road ahead of us. It should be our goal that by 2008, no one will have a kind word to say about the First Scum.


77 posted on 06/26/2005 3:40:22 PM PDT by Killborn (Liberalism contribute to 80% of global problems. Stupidity contribute to 80% of global liberals.)
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To: Josh in PA
Yup this woman, Hillary Clinton, who in this picture giving a speech for the Gays and Lesbians group is going to win middle America, have the support of all Christians because she shares their values, and becomes President in 2008.

/extreme sarcasm



78 posted on 06/26/2005 4:07:17 PM PDT by jveritas (The Left cannot win a national election ever again.)
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To: Josh in PA

79 posted on 06/26/2005 4:16:13 PM PDT by Main Street (Stuck in traffic.)
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To: mariabush

LOL.. You most absolutely certaintly can.

Socialism is an economic theory/belief, it has nothing to do with morals and values.


80 posted on 06/26/2005 5:02:54 PM PDT by Josh in PA
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To: Josh in PA
Apparently Graham has succumbed to the 'Barry Goldwater disease'. I hope a cure is in sight.
81 posted on 06/26/2005 5:07:34 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: MizSterious
I just could not believe my eyes! seeing the clintoons on the stage w/BG!!!! AAACCCKKKKK!!!!!!!!

They have to become part of everything! Invited or not!

82 posted on 06/26/2005 5:37:34 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: vaudine
I thought he was suffering from parkinson's.
83 posted on 06/26/2005 8:06:23 PM PDT by johnwayne
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To: MizSterious
I am amazed at the number of "Christian's" that are democrats and Clinton supporters....a woman that got me back to my Christian roots went to the same school as Billy Graham and was shocked to find out she is a Clinton supporter...makes me wonder about Wheaton College...
84 posted on 06/26/2005 8:13:50 PM PDT by Kimmers
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To: Josh in PA
Monica Crowley recalled when Billy Graham in 1960 asked Richard Nixon if he could endorse him publically. Nixon refused, saying that making a politcal endorsement would cheapen Graham's ministry and lower himself. In the then-closest election in U.S. history, one wonders if such an endorsement (from Graham at the height of his powers) could have actually made the difference for Nixon over JFK.

What a contrast between the classy Nixon, who--against his own political interests--declined a political nod from Graham, and the greasy Clintons, who were more than happy to sucker a very old and well meaning man into providing them with naked political candy.

85 posted on 06/26/2005 8:18:52 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Josh in PA

As much as I admire Billy Graham, I am extremely disgusted that he would give such admiration to Clinton, a man who did more than any President to destroy the moral integrity of this great nation.

I want to chalk it up to Graham's advanced age, but I believe his mind remains strong.

That said, I think Graham somehow fails to realize that Hillary and her cohort would just as soon see Graham and his evangelical friends lowered into a bottomless pit.

I understand that Graham must be polite to all Presidents, both current and past. But if he thinks the love and message that is Christ would be promoted under a Hillary government, he is sorely misguided.

Hillary and her party have nothing but distain for the deeply religious, expecially those who feel it incumbent on themselves to speak in public discourse.


86 posted on 06/26/2005 8:20:41 PM PDT by Edit35
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To: Luke
As Christians we are suppose to forgive others if we wish to be forgiven

Billy Graham can forgive Clinton and Rodham all he wants.

Just don't push her down the throat of evangelical America, and please please please don't give her support in her run for the Presidency.

I want to love and admire Billy Graham as much as I always have (since I was 8 years old), but somehow this latest rambling from the 86-year old preacher leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Tis a shame. BG should have simply thanked Clinton and Rodham for their service to the country, and then moved on to his sermon.

87 posted on 06/26/2005 8:25:42 PM PDT by Edit35
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To: farmer18th
You people who worship Billy Graham are little better than idol worshipers.

Wow...that's the most knee-jerk comment I've read on Free Republic in some time.

I guess you didn't read the rest of my comment...the part where I said I didn't trust Graham and that I believed he was a socialist.

You need to mature quite a bit.

88 posted on 06/26/2005 10:23:56 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Josh in PA; All

Just wanted to let you all know what was posted about Billy Graham being a Democrat!

Now it makes sense why Billy wouldn't say anything during the hearings about Clinton during all the things that went on between Monica and Clinton in the White House years!

http://www.democrats.com/node/5139

Billy Graham Is a Democrat
Billy Graham, the ailing 86 year old Christian evangelist, respected as the father of modern-day American evangelism, has scrupulously avoided political labels for fifty years of ministry. He sought to rise above the fray, as God would, so that all could hear his words of universal truth. Evangelicals of all leanings, from Rick Warren, Max Lucado and right-wing radicals James Dobson and Jerry Falwell to Jim Wallis of Sojourners regard him as the seminal figure of their ministries.

Rev. Graham says he may have preached his last sermon to a stadium congregation yesterday. He spoke of salvation and love to 300,000 of the faithful at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena from Thursday through Sunday. He probably has proclaimed his last altar call.

He did a lengthy interview this weekend with NBC's Brian Williams. A few moments ago, The Today Show ran a brief, provocative excerpt in which Mr. Williams asked for Rev. Graham's views on the Presidential election of 2004.

Eyes shining, the revered Rev. Graham firmly fired eight words that will reverberate around Christian evangelical circles for years to come.....

"I have been a Democrat all my life..."



http://heartsoulandhumor.blogspot.com/2004/11/billy-graham-is-democrat.html


89 posted on 06/26/2005 11:08:59 PM PDT by Anita1
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To: advance_copy

That is so sick that Graham would say that!! Where are the feminists to complain about Graham's excusing Clinton's infidelities and indiscretions?!!

That kind of talk (of excusing Clinton for his misconduct with Monica) should have been protested by women for having been portrayed as the aggressors in such a situation of sexual misconduct - and letting Clinton off scott free!


90 posted on 06/26/2005 11:24:35 PM PDT by Anita1
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To: CyberAnt

"This has NOTHING to do with Bill Clinton .. this is about Hillary APPEARING TO BE A CHRISTIAN .. but GOD will not be mocked."

Bill is an attention junkie, too. But you make a good point.

"We all know what Hillary thinks about Christians - and for her to make this grandstand play with the ever-forgiving Billy Graham is just Chutzpah to the extreme!"

That's one of our biggest problems as a nation, today. The term, 'forgiveness' is a whip used on Christians. This isn't forgiveness. This is a way of glorifying the wicked.

"Billy Graham does not love their sins (which I'm confident he's aware of), but he does love all sinners - because that's the mission GOD gave him."

Jesus once said that after the church confronts the sinner, and the wrong is not set right, you are to treat that sinner as you would a heathen. So fear not. Billy Graham can make mistakes too. He is, after all, a human being. On the partial birth abortion alone, Jesus would have chased Clinton around on live TV with a whip, shouting hellfire. Jesus would have ended up in jail or the psycho ward, and the old media would be milling out smear campaigns on God's alleged relationship with prostitutes at Gitmo.

"Shameful, shameful stunt."

And made possible by a lack of understanding about confession, contrition, forgiveness, and the true nature of our Savior.


91 posted on 06/27/2005 3:25:53 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<< Ad Campaign for Durbin the Turban in profile)
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To: johnwayne

you may be right. parkinson's is also bad, but the mind would not deteriorate as fast.

vaudine


92 posted on 06/27/2005 5:04:13 AM PDT by vaudine
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To: MojoWire
I can certainly understand your frustration at Billy
Graham's lack of discernment re: the Clintons. If at his age... and with his health problems... BG believes what he said about the Clintons I am inclined to think that his advisers drive his remarks. This would be something to watch out for in the future of this ministry.
93 posted on 06/27/2005 8:16:13 AM PDT by Luke (CPO, USCG (Ret))
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