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Cop 'tries to convert' pagans during arrest (Druids think their civil rights were violated)
WorldNetDaily ^ | 6/26/05 | WorldNetDaily

Posted on 06/26/2005 5:25:11 PM PDT by wagglebee

A traffic stop in Greer, S.C., this month is turning into a holy war of sorts, as a practicing Druid couple claim they were targeted by a Christian police officer who tried to convert them away from their pagan belief.

Debra and Tony Gainey say they were pulled over because they had a bumper sticker reading "It's A Druid Thing."

Tony Gainey was driving at the time of the stop June 10 and was taken into custody on charges of driving with a suspended license, operating a vehicle with an improper tag and failure to have proof of insurance.

"The reason they were stopped was the tag was improper on the vehicle," Greer police Lt. Cris Varner told WHNS-TV.

But Debra Gainey, a minister at the local Emerald Sanctuary Druidic Church, believes it was the druid sticker that prompted the traffic stop, as evinced by the conversation with officer Tony Stewart.

"[Stewart said], 'Did those bumper stickers come on the car or did you put them on?' and I said I put them on," Debra said.

She says the officer asked if she knew what they meant.

"So he started talking to me about God and Jesus Christ. ... I just felt like he was really getting into it, I had never expected to actually follow-up with a letter or anything."

According to Mrs. Gainey, the officer sent a card and letter to her home address days later.

"In this letter, he promises our problems will continue unless we listen to the words of the Baptists," she told the station. "We're feeling like those are threats."

"It's just kind of flabbergasting to be told that because it says Druid that we were singled out," she continued. "I don't think it's a matter of his religion or my religion, it's a matter of violation of our Constitution and trying to take that away our freedom that we are guaranteed."

The Gaineys have filed a civil-rights complaint, and the matter is now under investigation.

"The issue is the stop," police chief Dan Reynolds told the Greenville News. "Did they stop them because of the stickers? That's what we're trying to determine in our investigation. What was the reason for the stop?"


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: civilrights; constitution; donutwatch; druids; establishment; fundiessuck; government; leo; pagans; police; religion
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
"It's not a violation to your civil rights to hear something you don't agree with."

Hell, every day for almost four years, the leftist media has been telling us that Islam is "peaceful," and the fact that they do not have one single example of their "pacifism" is irrelevant.

21 posted on 06/26/2005 5:52:55 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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From his letter: "...I am an unpaid volunteer. The reason I have volunteered for the last 14 years is so that I can be at the places where God would have me to be and at the right time."

He's clearly a busybody nutcase. If some weird volunteer cop started harassing me with unsolicited mail to my home address after a questionable stop, I'd be PO'd too. The guy should be off the job immediately.

22 posted on 06/26/2005 5:58:06 PM PDT by Honcho Bongs
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To: Celtjew Libertarian

LOL!!!! Great, just great.


23 posted on 06/26/2005 6:01:20 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 9-11!)
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To: Aonecountry
This would freak me out ! LOL

Part of letter:

But I am ordained in the Baptist church. And for whatever reason, God is calling you to listen to words from the Baptists. This is clear!

If you deny this, then you are pushing away the hand of God and that would not be wise. Too many events were manipulated by God to bring us together to be a coincidence. Actually, I only police every 2nd Friday night, so just being on duty was rare.

You must respond to the words he wants you to hear. And you must be patient and faithful. It may tales weeks or month of obedience to learn the steps that it will take to get you back on the road to prosperity.

One visit, a few prayers and an occasional opening of his Bible will not be enough. You must be prepared to make some serious changes and do so now! You may not get another intercession.

Who knows? But you must admit that you've been contacted by God! And you must respond.

24 posted on 06/26/2005 6:01:32 PM PDT by Selkie (I)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

His letter is harassment.


25 posted on 06/26/2005 6:02:33 PM PDT by Selkie (I)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
For you to draw a parallel between a cop abusing his power and access to proselytize, and a missionary strolling up to your door to have a consensual chat is beyond absurd.

They were detained, and then under arrest, by an officer of the law during the time in which they were proselytized. Do you realize that this creates a different situation than one in which a Jehovah's Witness requests that you talk with them at your door, of your own free will, for as long as you feel?

Later, the volunteer cop abused his access to their personal information in order to send them a strange and vaguely threatening letter at their home.

For you to suggest that this is simply a matter of "them having heard something they didn't agree with" is not honest.
26 posted on 06/26/2005 6:03:38 PM PDT by aNYCguy
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

I really agree with you. Sending them a letter about his religion is WAY unprofessional and violates boundaries. I expect the police to enforce the laws, to be courteous and professional.I really do not need to hear their personal opinions about ANYTHING. and yes this could be a problem, cause the officer does not understand his role and legalities.


27 posted on 06/26/2005 6:04:35 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 9-11!)
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To: wagglebee
That's funny....they don't look Druish....


28 posted on 06/26/2005 6:04:42 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: aNYCguy

Yes youre right , sums it up perfectly


29 posted on 06/26/2005 6:04:58 PM PDT by Selkie (I)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian

Surprised it took 5 posts to get there :)


30 posted on 06/26/2005 6:06:13 PM PDT by SShultz460
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To: wagglebee

There's plenty of idiodicy to go around on this one. Cop's an idiot for proselytizing, Druids are idiots for not keeping their tabs and such in order.


31 posted on 06/26/2005 6:08:32 PM PDT by Quick1
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To: wagglebee

And honestly, what kind of moron puts anything like this in WRITING? If he would have simply done it at the stop or something like that, he might have gotten away with it.


32 posted on 06/26/2005 6:10:21 PM PDT by Quick1
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Hehe! I love the screen name. I am a hippie at heart myself!

I really do not like that he sent them a letter..if true that makes me angry. IF they got tickets for breaking the law- that is one thing- sending them a letter about their religious beliefs is out of control.

33 posted on 06/26/2005 6:19:14 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks!)
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To: aNYCguy
The proselytizing officer was way out of line and had no right to impose his beliefs on them.
34 posted on 06/26/2005 6:34:10 PM PDT by catonsville (If you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans for the future.)
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To: wagglebee

It could've been worse--the cop could've been a scientologist.

"License and registration... and those pills had better be vitamins!"


35 posted on 06/26/2005 6:35:31 PM PDT by Young GOP Samurai (Leftists: Hating America Since July 4th, 1776.)
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To: aNYCguy
Unfortunately, the officer acted so unprofessionally

Maybe. We only have her word for it and we see how honest they are:

charges of driving with a suspended license, operating a vehicle with an improper tag and failure to have proof of insurance.

36 posted on 06/26/2005 6:41:45 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Aonecountry
If he did send her that letter I believe that was over the line.

We have no idea what THEY said to him. Did they ask for info so they could pull this stunt? It's possible.

37 posted on 06/26/2005 6:43:59 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: MRMEAN
I sometimes find it annoying when people proselytize to me, but it's not a civil rights violation.

It is if you get stopped because of a bumper sticker that reflects your faith.

I think the improper tag was a good reason. Obviously these people don't.

38 posted on 06/26/2005 6:46:31 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: wagglebee

(Obi Wan): "These aren't the Druids you are looking for, They can pass"...


39 posted on 06/26/2005 6:52:53 PM PDT by Morgan's Raider
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To: Selkie
So we've heard their excuses. Whether she was in pain or not, it was illegal for him to drive.

No reason was given for the stop and when I asked I was told there had been none.

Sorry. I don't buy it.

We had documents in the glove box verifying insurance coverage from the time the car was purchased until the beginning of this year, but we had insurance, the papers were just at home.

Just full of "butbutbut".

Oh please! This just sounds too strange. I'm having a hard time buying their story. No. I don't think cops are always right but these people are guilty in their own words.

40 posted on 06/26/2005 6:56:47 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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