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Beetle stalls erosion control along bay - Republicans push to overhaul Endangered Species Act
Baltimore Sun ^ | June 28, 2005 | Tom Pelton

Posted on 06/28/2005 1:23:40 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

GROVE POINT - Jim Twohy's waterfront home might soon tumble into the Chesapeake Bay from atop a 60-foot cliff. He wants to build a wall to save the house, but some meddlesome neighbors are standing in the way.

The neighbors are puritan tiger beetles, a threatened species half an inch long. To protect the bugs, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is trying to stop construction of a rock barrier that Twohy and his civic association say is necessary to prevent a half-dozen houses from toppling into the water.

Although Twohy had never heard of the beetle until he applied for a permit last year, it turns out the puritans have highly rigid breeding rituals that happen to clash not only with development but also with many people's ideas of environmental protection.

The drab little insect demands the continued breakdown of cliffs along the Chesapeake Bay - active erosion - so its larvae can tunnel into crumbling clay beside the water. The rock wall that Twohy wants to build would stop the erosion and, thus, could illegally prevent the beetles from reproducing.

"We've heard a lot of support for the puritan tiger beetle from the federal government," said Twohy, 65, a retired computer consulting executive. "But what about the concerns of citizens, their lives and homes, and keeping the Chesapeake Bay clear of muddy runoff and siltation, which is killing marine life?"

Several clashes like this one across the country - over development plans complicated by the Delhi sands flower-loving fly in California or the eyeless Kretschmarr cave mold beetle in Texas - have persuaded some congressional Republicans to push for overhauling the Endangered Species Act.

(Excerpt) Read more at baltimoresun.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: chesapeakebay; endangered; environment; environmentalism; envirowhackos; esa; housing; pests

1 posted on 06/28/2005 1:23:43 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Are the Puritan Tiger Beetles religious?

If you can convince the ACLU that the beetles are Christian, I'm sure you can argue that Federal protection of a religious species would be a violation of the so-called Separation between Church and State.... /humor


2 posted on 06/28/2005 1:26:52 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: coconutt2000

***....."This species is already highly vulnerable," Wolflin said. "My job is to do what Congress has charged me to do, which is to not jeopardize the continued existence of a species." ....***


3 posted on 06/28/2005 1:29:08 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

SSS.

When you have a property anywhere near some "ecosystem," you have to keep your mouth shut. And spray, spray, spray.

Bugs, plants, everything.

Just don't talk about it.


4 posted on 06/28/2005 1:32:37 AM PDT by MonroeDNA
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

That's the bug. I'd squish if it landed on me.

Source

5 posted on 06/28/2005 1:34:46 AM PDT by csvset
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To: MonroeDNA

***.......Rep. Richard W. Pombo of California, Sen. Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island and others in Congress are demanding more input from landowners into decisions by the federal government on endangered species.

"The Endangered Species Act is the most rigid law on the books, and there is very little room for public input," said Pombo spokesman Brian Kennedy. "It's had an abysmal record of success, with only 10 species recovered out of 1,300 species that have been listed over the last three decades." .....***


6 posted on 06/28/2005 1:35:57 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: coconutt2000

Amen to that.


7 posted on 06/28/2005 1:37:34 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (LL THE)
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To: coconutt2000

Amen to that.


8 posted on 06/28/2005 1:37:47 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (LL THE)
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To: csvset

How do environmentalists (anti-capitalist, anti-private ownership whiners) come up with "endangered" lists?


9 posted on 06/28/2005 1:38:14 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Diazanon!


10 posted on 06/28/2005 1:43:45 AM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
STOMP! SHOVEL. SHUT-UP!
11 posted on 06/28/2005 1:51:43 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I wonder if this beetle would make good bait?? You could sell it to fishermen.


12 posted on 06/28/2005 1:53:35 AM PDT by kb2614 ("Speaking Truth to Power" - What idiots say when they want to sound profound!!)
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To: OKIEDOC

Find another suitable place for the Bugs Life to continue and fix up the erosion problem.

The bugs will be happy in their new habitat, I'm sure, and the homeowners will have some peace of mind regarding their houses.


13 posted on 06/28/2005 1:56:37 AM PDT by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: Caipirabob

***........"What are they worth? Some people need to put a price tag on everything, I guess," Knisely said. "They are natural wonders, you could say. Maybe not as much of a natural wonder as a grizzly bear. But if they disappear, that means their whole beach habitat has disappeared. And so part of their significance is using these beetles to protect these natural cliffs."

Atop the cliffs at Grove Point, Twohy for the past six years has enjoyed living in retirement with his wife in a 60-year-old white ranch-style house with a broad porch and stunning views of the northern bay. He said he doesn't know how much respect to give the puritans that breed on his property.

"Frankly, I don't think they're very good parents, if they're going to put their children into a collapsing cliff," Twohy said, as he strolled past fallen trees along the 10-foot-wide beach at the base of his bluff.

He pointed to an electric utility pole at the top of the cliff, near his back door. It could topple any day, blacking out the whole neighborhood, tumbling down with his house and septic system into the water, he said.

Last year, a 15-foot-wide, 25-foot-deep chunk of his back yard, weighing an estimated 31,000 tons, thundered down all at once.

"I'm in favor of protecting the environment," he said, "but somebody's going to get killed here soon if we don't build something to stabilize this cliff." ...........***


14 posted on 06/28/2005 2:10:26 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; All
We've heard a lot of support for the puritan tiger beetle...
You could not make stuff this kooky up...

15 posted on 06/28/2005 2:15:15 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

And if someone does get killed they'll prosecute him for endangering the public...


16 posted on 06/28/2005 2:22:34 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: abbi_normal_2; adam_az; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; alphadog; AMDG&BVMH; amom; AndreaZingg; ...
Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.

List of Ping lists

17 posted on 06/28/2005 2:26:31 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (www.lp.org)
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To: backhoe
Society of Environmental Journalists
18 posted on 06/28/2005 2:39:29 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Couldn't the beetles be aborted to use their tissue for stem cell research? [irony, sarcasm, dark black humor]


19 posted on 06/28/2005 2:42:23 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Abram; Alexander Rubin; AlexandriaDuke; Annie03; Baby Bear; bassmaner; Bernard; BJClinton; ...
Libertarian ping.To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here
20 posted on 06/28/2005 2:42:37 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (www.lp.org)
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To: MonroeDNA
When you have a property anywhere near some "ecosystem,"

Well, that covers all property owners! Every bit of land is part of some ecosystem, just like every piece is part of a watershed. They use broad definitions so they can snare us all in their net...

21 posted on 06/28/2005 2:47:27 AM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Lord a' Mercy... I followed that link:

Society of Environmental Journalists

and all I'll say is the Environmental movement and its acolytes never cease to annoy me.

It is a psuedo-religion, or a substitute for more mainline religious beliefs, nothing more.

I like the older ideas of husbandry and conservation-- use it, replentish it, preserve it, while still benefitting from nature.

22 posted on 06/28/2005 2:51:00 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: backhoe

You took the words right out of my mouth.


23 posted on 06/28/2005 2:55:47 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Its insane that a little insect could hold up keep a housing from falling in the Chesaspeake Bay, isn't it? But we have learned there are no private property rights in this country. The ESA is only part of a philosophy that keeps people from making common-sense improvements where they live and it has nothing whatsoever to do with protecting the environment.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
24 posted on 06/28/2005 3:01:21 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: freepatriot32

BTTT!!!!!!


25 posted on 06/28/2005 3:04:07 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: Kay Ludlow

Do what you need to do.

And never mention it.


26 posted on 06/28/2005 3:05:04 AM PDT by MonroeDNA
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
... congressional Republicans to push for overhauling the Endangered Species Act.

The misguided Republicans and Nixon are the ones who instituted the damned ESA -- you really expect them to fix it? Be serious!

When they took the fifth amendment,
I was quiet because I didn't own real estate.
When they took the fourth amendment,
I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs.
When they took the sixth amendment,
I was quiet because I was innocent.
When they took the second amendment,
I was quiet because I didn't own a gun.
Now they've taken the first amendment,
and I can say nothing about it.

27 posted on 06/28/2005 3:17:40 AM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional.)
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To: brityank

No.

I expect us to keep pushing them to do it.

It is OUR JOB to tell them what to do.


28 posted on 06/28/2005 3:34:38 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The drab little insect demands the continued breakdown of cliffs along the Chesapeake Bay - active erosion - so its larvae can tunnel into crumbling clay beside the water.

what happens to the damm things when their habitat compleatly erodes?
These people have no dammed brains at all

29 posted on 06/28/2005 5:36:23 AM PDT by Charlespg (Civilization and freedom are only worthy of those who defend or support defending It)
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To: Charlespg
....what happens to the damm things when their habitat compleatly erodes?

They move on.

30 posted on 06/28/2005 5:55:28 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I wonder how many animal's breeding grounds the Kennedy Compound currently occupies in Hyannis on Cape Cod? John Kerry's five mansions? How about Barbra Streisand's castle on the coast of California?

Maybe someone ought to throw an few handfuls of these beetles onto their property and let nature do its thing.


31 posted on 06/28/2005 6:27:47 AM PDT by SpinyNorman (Liberals are enablers for terrorists and other anti-American groups.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Environmentalist Whackos ----- The only species on the planet that cares more for other species than for its own.


32 posted on 06/28/2005 6:44:35 AM PDT by graycamel (I'm an animal lover, I love their meat on my plate and their skins on my back.)
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To: DB
And if someone does get killed they'll prosecute him for endangering the public...

And when his house falls into the Chesapeake, they'll charge him with dumping in a protected waterway.

33 posted on 06/28/2005 6:50:12 AM PDT by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
..Rep. Richard W. Pombo of California, Sen. Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island and others in Congress are demanding more input from landowners into decisions by the federal government on endangered species.

Maybe landowners realize that if they speak up, they're just begging the feds to find some "endangered species" on their property.

34 posted on 06/28/2005 6:53:13 AM PDT by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: SpinyNorman
.................Maybe someone ought to throw an few handfuls of these beetles onto their property and let nature do its thing.

What a delicious idea. Bravo!

35 posted on 06/28/2005 10:18:46 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Cincinatus' Wife wrote:
"Endangered Species Act is the most rigid law on the books, and there is very little room for public input," said Pombo spokesman Brian Kennedy."

Somehow the baby boomer's and sixties generation took a turn down a road to self destruction of America as it was known for 200 plus years.

America's form of government can stand an idiot every now and then being elected.

However, over the last 30 years we have elected 10 centuries worth of American hating nut cases to one office or the other.

Look at the current crop of idiots that run the Democratic party.

What a cabal of ignorant elitist wackos.

My father was a stanch conservative life long Democrat.

I can imagine that he is spinning in his grave at the idiocy that has over taken his beloved party.
36 posted on 06/28/2005 10:38:25 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (LL THE)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Why don't the environmentalists take their case before the Supreme Court and claim eminent domain. The Wildlife Service could seize the lands, raze the houses and save the beetles' habitat.

Why should a few homes stand in the way of a balanced eco-system?

37 posted on 06/28/2005 11:02:25 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: OKIEDOC

They spun Zell Miller right out of his party.

He still calls himself a Democrat but the party isn't his anymore.


38 posted on 06/28/2005 12:54:23 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: GSWarrior

They can't tax bugs.


39 posted on 06/28/2005 12:54:52 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

endangered human bump


40 posted on 06/28/2005 1:27:55 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: GSWarrior
Why should a few homes stand in the way of a balanced eco-system?

Really. These people need some endangered plants growing along the top of the bank, imho.

41 posted on 06/28/2005 1:32:58 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Why would someone build or buy a home atop a 60 foot cliff that is in danger of sliding down from erosion in the first place, be it from weather or an endangered beetle. People who build in wackadoo locations where mudslides rising tides wildfires etc lose the right to be "shocked" when something bad happens, and need to quit costing the rest of us money. I mean the obvious ones, im not belittling natural disasters, it would help with a picture.


42 posted on 06/28/2005 2:08:25 PM PDT by Nomad817
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
They can't tax bugs.

No, but everyone benefits from the good karma.

43 posted on 06/28/2005 2:27:46 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: Smokin' Joe
....Really. These people need some endangered plants growing along the top of the bank, imho.

LOL.

Which would win?

Bugs or bushes?

44 posted on 06/28/2005 2:41:40 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Nomad817
Check out the nuke plant at Lusby (Calvert County, MD) and tell me.

A lot of those homes were built when there was no ESA and creosoted lumber seawalls were the norm.

I remember building such seawalls in the summer on the Potomac when I was 14-16, many years ago. The walls were effective at preventing erosion. Now they use salt treated lumber, where permitted.

Many areas no longer permit building or replacing the walls, or, in this case, emplacing rock revetments (which have become the main means of erosion control), so what was a home comfortably set back from the water, can, with a few substantial storms or just a couple of hurricanes (or years of slow erosion) end up teetering on the brink of a 60 ft. cliff.

The problem is not mudslides, but wave action (from storms and boat wakes) undercutting the base of the cliff. When waves have removed sufficient material from the base, the unsupported strata collapse and are eventually washed away. Stop the undercutting and stop the problem.

Apparently the endangered beetles are accelerating the process and are also the reason the homeowner (aside from the incredible plethora of other environmental regs) can do nothing to stop the erosion.

45 posted on 06/29/2005 12:33:37 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: Nomad817
From the article:

Atop the cliffs at Grove Point, Twohy for the past six years has enjoyed living in retirement with his wife in a 60-year-old white ranch-style house with a broad porch and stunning views of the northern bay. He said he doesn't know how much respect to give the puritans that breed on his property.

That shoreline can move a lot in 60 years.

46 posted on 06/29/2005 12:39:22 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: goldstategop
Clifftop homeowners' properties being threatened by government's refusal to allow correction of erosion problems???

...Does this sound familiar (SOS), or is it just me...?   ...The below references just ONE of the horror stories. There are MANY others, just here on the LEFT coast alone.

(Yes, it IS too bad that the 2002 decision referenced above was not upheld recently, by the higher court.)

47 posted on 06/29/2005 6:55:55 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes (“The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.”—Edmund Burke)
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