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Iranian President misidentified in photos from Hostage Takeover?
self and news sources ^ | 07/01/2005 | RaceBannon

Posted on 07/01/2005 3:06:01 AM PDT by RaceBannon

Many of us posted what we thought were pictures of the new Iranian President, pictures that we found on theinternet that showed a similar looking man from 25 years ago.

I am one of the Marines who was off Iran for the rescue attempt and have beenin contact with several people from Iran who have told me that the man I thought it was, was NOT Ahmadinejad at all.

This seems to be a contest now, which picture is the real Iranian President?

In the link below, I believe we see the Iranian President, he is carrying the black valise in his hand, with the American Hostage looking in his direction.

Look at the nose.

Also, that hostage is Barry Rosen, he is a short fellow, and Ahmadinejad is a short fellow. I have met Barry Rosen, and I towered over him. This new president would be the same height give or take an inch.

http://www.temple.edu/history/images/Iranhostages.jpg


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: ahmadinejad; embassy; hostage; iran; terrorist

1 posted on 07/01/2005 3:06:03 AM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: RaceBannon
Other pictures posted showed a man with a blazer who most of us thought was this man, but my Iranian friends all insisted I had ther wrong guy.

Clearer pics of that same man in the blazer, with his head at a different angle show I was wrong.

In the photo above, the media misidentified the man, the one in the red circle, and most of us thought it was the man on the far right instead, but newer pics show that is not him.

This clearer pic of the two original men identified show NEITHER match the new president in facial features. The man in the blazer right behind Barry Rosen clearly is not the new president, and neither is the man in the khakis right in front.

So, is it the man carrying the valise?

2 posted on 07/01/2005 3:14:32 AM PDT by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: RaceBannon

Umm, Bush's Fault?


3 posted on 07/01/2005 3:16:40 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (“There is a law – a law of nature. Man is not the ruler.")
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To: RaceBannon

I dunno. 63 million people all the same ethnicity, I'm sure many look alike.


4 posted on 07/01/2005 3:17:52 AM PDT by graycamel
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To: RaceBannon

FWIW, I thought it was valise guy.


5 posted on 07/01/2005 3:19:21 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: RaceBannon
Doesn't look the same to me. I'm assuming you mean the guy closest to the hostage on the left. With all this stuff going on, this photo seems to present two other men. Though the guy circled looks like the guy holding the hostage's left arm. This is the guy a former hostage seemed to identify but the guy on the right was suggested by others. Round and round we go! lol


6 posted on 07/01/2005 3:21:47 AM PDT by F15Eagle
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To: RaceBannon
Maybe the hostage-taker was Robert B. Reich!

7 posted on 07/01/2005 3:22:22 AM PDT by graycamel
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To: F14 Pilot; DoctorZIn; All

ON THE NET...

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2677

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/098882.php

http://www.washingtontimes.com/world/20050701-124117-6031r.htm


8 posted on 07/01/2005 3:32:36 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: graycamel

LOL...That's Robert B. Reichhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! You must pronounce it correctly.


9 posted on 07/01/2005 4:03:57 AM PDT by gr8eman (I think...therefore I am...a capitalist!)
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To: RaceBannon

Convincing argument. Wait! In't that John Kerry in the back between the hostage and captor and scratching his head??


10 posted on 07/01/2005 4:04:24 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: RaceBannon
These are only a FEW pictures of possible perps.

CBS, ABC, NBC & even the BBC should have archived film of just about anyone who was near the hostages when they were paraded before their camera's.

If he was one of these bastards... it will turn up.

11 posted on 07/01/2005 5:00:32 AM PDT by johnny7 (How often does a '47 Rodham require servicing?)
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To: RaceBannon

Maybe he had a nose job to make himself look different. Other than that he looks the same, in most ways. Maybe he had on higher heels then. Boots of some kind.


12 posted on 07/01/2005 5:13:58 AM PDT by queenkathy ("Eat a live toad first thing in the morning. Nothing worse can happen to you for the rest of the day)
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To: RaceBannon

It makes no difference whether it is or isn't him. We have to deal with him as president of Iran. He has diplomatic immunity for the duration and possibly for the rest of his life. The only thing is that if it is him we know the positions he is likely to take in any given situation. I would wait for the spooks to speak up................


13 posted on 07/01/2005 5:14:02 AM PDT by Red Badger (The Army makes the world safe for democracy. The Marines make the world safe for the Army.....)
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To: RaceBannon

We need to be careful with the claims we state. The world is going to think as a nation we are over reactive, and not truthful.

Since,there was earlier talks of a possible invasion on Iran, this only makes us look like untruths will be told to have reasons to take aggressive action. With questions being raised on misintelligence information on WMD, (would be nice to know who the agents were, on another thread it was said he was LDS, but noting confirmed to this point).
We as a people are only going to look very foolish.

We are missing seeing what is happening to us in other areas. As I was working on my papers yesterday, I ran across this site which raises a few areas we need to be concened about:

http://globalpolitician.com/articlesdes.asp?ID+939&cid=5&sid=30

it is a 6/30/2005 article on the "Chinese Influence on the Rise in Latin America". Saul Landau

Some statement in the article might make one a bit angry, but the overall piece does bring up a good point. We are wasting our time with false claims getting angry with misinformation, and letting other issues with will effect our nation, and yes, even "you" in the future, go unnotice.

Glad to see however, some keep their heads about them and think... you must have been a very good marine and man enought to stand by your thoughts.


14 posted on 07/01/2005 5:40:30 AM PDT by digitalman
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To: RaceBannon
It will all become clear....

We've been focusing on the wrong guy in the '79 pics...[Iran Pres.]

15 posted on 07/01/2005 5:42:14 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA

THey all look the same.


16 posted on 07/01/2005 5:43:45 AM PDT by ReadyNow
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To: RaceBannon

Thanks for the info, Race. No matter the identity, his statements indicate that he needs to take a dirt nap.


17 posted on 07/01/2005 7:46:23 AM PDT by doug from upland (The Hillary documentary is coming)
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To: F14 Pilot; DoctorZIn; All

ON THE NET...

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=16459_Ahmadinejad_Photo_Updates&only


18 posted on 07/01/2005 1:03:59 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: F14 Pilot; DoctorZIn; All

ON THE NET...

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/099446.php


19 posted on 07/01/2005 1:06:40 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: F14 Pilot; DoctorZIn; All

ON THE NET...


http://www.memri.org/iran.html
http://www.memritv.org


20 posted on 07/01/2005 1:08:26 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: F15Eagle
No, look at the pic I enclosed with the blue line across, the guy who has the hostage lookng at him, with the black valise

It appears I was wrong on that one, too.

My Iranian friends tell me it was the guy in the white shirt, half hidden out of view, not a clear shot here:

Look at the hostage, look to the man to his immediate right (YOUR left)...the man half hidden wearing the white shirt.

I have met Bary Rosen, he is about 5'6", and I asked my Iranian friends how tall the new pres is, and I was told he is a short fellow! :)

21 posted on 07/01/2005 3:07:44 PM PDT by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: doug from upland

Friday, July 01, 2005

Iranian Paper 'Identifies' Students in Siege Photo

July 01, 2005
Times Online
Sam Knight and Michael Theodoulou



The Bush Administration said today that it is continuing to investigate allegations that the President-elect of Iran was involved in the 1979 attack on the US Embassy in Tehran, even as the photograph that triggered the controversy was further discredited.

The White House press secretary told reporters today that President Bush would not be surprised to learn that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, elected as the new President of Iran last week, took part in the 444-day siege that ruined American relations with Iran.

"We continue to look into it and establish all the facts. I don’t think it should be a surprise to anyone if it turns out to be true," said Scott McClellan this morning, referring to allegations made by five American hostages on Wednesday that they remembered Mr Ahmadinejad as one of their captors.

"Given the nature of the regime and his own past, I don’t think it should be surprising," said Mr McClellan, who also repeated American criticisms of the recent Iranian elections, saying that "hand-picked candidates" had been allowed to run and that the elections were "well short of free and fair".

The continuing scrutiny of the White House stood in contrast to the increasing doubts surrounding the photograph that first prompted questions into Mr Ahmadinejad's role in the embassy siege.

On Tuesday, Iran Focus, a London-based Iranian news agency opposed to the President-elect, circulated a well known Associated Press photograph of the crisis, which began in November 1979, saying that it showed Mr Ahmadinejad holding the arm of an American hostage.

But today, an reformist newspaper in Tehran, Shargh, said that the Iranian students shown in the photograph were Ja’afar Zaker, a militant who went on to die in the Iran-Iraq war, and a student known only as Ranjbaran, who was later executed for alleged links to an extreme opposition group.

As for the American hostage shown in the photograph, The Times learnt yesterday that he is Jerry J. Miele, who was working at a communications officer at the Embassy in 1979. Reached at his home today in Mount Pleasant, Pennsylvania, Mr Miele, 66, declined to comment on the photograph but said: "I don't have anything to say about the new President of Iran, I don't want to cause any trouble."

Even though Mr Ahmadinejad's role in the hostage crisis, let alone the photograph, has been widely disputed, not least by other hostage takers who led the capture of the embassy, more American hostages said on Friday that he could have been among their captors.

Barry Rosen, a former press officer at the embassy who now works at Columbia University told Reuters he had no direct memory of Mr Ahmadinejad but supported another former hostage, former Colonel David Roeder, who said yesterday that Mr Ahmadinejad had assisted interrogations of the hostages.

"I feel that if Dave says it’s so then it’s so," said Mr Rosen.

Yesterday, Mr Roeder and four other hostages said they were sure Mr Ahmadinejad had played a significant role in the embassy siege.

http://www.iranvajahan.net/cgi-bin/news.pl?l=en&y=2005&m=07&d=01&a=9

Looks like I had the wrong hostage, too, that isn't Barry Rosen, either!


22 posted on 07/01/2005 3:32:31 PM PDT by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: RaceBannon

The news services carried statements by one to four of the former hostages that they are 100% sure they recognized the new prez as one of their captors. That is probably better testimony than trying to analyze some photos where it is not at all certain who is who to begin with. Still, the US Gov't would probably turn a new page in any case and start fresh with the new Iranian admin. There is still technically a state of war with Iran regardless.


23 posted on 07/01/2005 3:42:12 PM PDT by RightWhale (withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
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To: RaceBannon

"I am Ahmadinejad!"


24 posted on 07/01/2005 3:43:14 PM PDT by dfwgator
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