Skip to comments.Billy Grahm denies that Christ is the only way to salvation.
Posted on 07/01/2005 9:55:00 AM PDT by Rhadaghast
May 11, 2005 Host: Vic Eliason Topic: False Doctrine Guest: David DiCanio Description: Dr. David DiCanio is Pastor of Columbine Free Presbyterian Church in Columbine, Colorado, and is involved in Christian Media, which produces television-style documentaries on religious trends and movements. Vic Eliason presents two audio cuts. One features Robert Schuller being interviewed by Dr. David DiCanio after giving a keynote address at the 2004 National Association of Evangelicals meeting. The other cut features Robert Schuller interviewing Billy Graham. The two discuss their views concerning how people are saved.
Dr. DiCanio interacts with callers to discuss the opinions expressed by Schuller and Graham and the current move of some leaders in Christianity to preach a gospel that teaches salvation apart from a conscious, biblical awareness of Christ as the only way to God.
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Ol' Billy is going out with a whimper, not a bang, that's for sure.
That's not good.
Billy must not really believe the Bible he's been preaching for some 40+ years.
What happened to the "no man comes to the Father except by Me" clause,Billy?
One questionable quote versus a gazillion solid declarations of salvation through Christ alone over a 50 year ministry....Frankly, I'm willing to give him a pass here. I'll rely upon 50 years of preaching the gospel of salvation through Christ alone, rather than one comment made in conversation with that charlatan Robert Schuller.
He does have AZ doesn't he?
Jesus said that whosoever confesses Him before men, He will confess before the Father. And he who denies Him before men, He will deny before the Father.
Maybe Billy will evade that Biblical judgment due to what could well be creeping dementia.
what point is that discussion...i dont have an hour to listen in its entirety
Jimmy Carter, President turned evangelist must have converted Billy to universalism or was it the other way around?
Has anyone here even heard it yet.
Wheres the transcript?
The Rev. Graham has Parkinsons & from what someone said yesterday I take it the dementia effect is the same as Alzheimers. His family needs to take him home to the Carolinas...NOW.
I can't site Scripture but didn't Christ say "I go to prepare a place for you..."?
There isn't any mention of Heaven before Christ is there?
Not yet. I thought I'd listen later.
A transcript would be nice.
It seems like people are automatically assuming this "article" is true.
Heaven is in the Jewish tradition,as well, which of course IS the root of Christianity.
You offer a good point of discussion.
I'm trying to find it from the audio.
I will not speculate like the others here on this thread.
I do not know about Billy, but the son Franklin has said on numerious occassions that salvation is only through Jesus.
Nor will I. Have you found the link?
Let's see a transcript before we start throwing stones at Billy. God used that man mightily in this world.
it's about the 11:00 minute mark on WM file....
Billy sounds like he is saying that some people get a consciousness of the truth of Christ without actually knowing Christ...uh....well, that phenomena is not reported in the New Testament documents...ya gotta know about him 'fore you believe in him...that's why preaching and missionaries are needed...otherwise...you can stay at home, and let the "unsaved" come to their own conclusions.....
Sorry Billy, no pass on this one...it is a very weak position...but you are right that people have a sense of
the need for salvation from God, they just don't know where
it is...your job is to tell, and live out, the great news. Let God handle their response...
Some may consider me a "heretic" for saying this, but I don't believe it can be said with certainty that people who die *without* ever hearing of Jesus Christ (the gospel message) are going to hell.
BEWARE all of the new Christian Mystics, Zen Christianity, Christian Buddism, Emerging Church, etc. They teach New Age, occult type practices and are infiltrating and devouring our churches. I am in SHOCK! and appalled. This is the crowd that is introducting this universal salvation theology -- the image of God within you. It is really scary and sick. They worship a flash of light they experience during an altered state of consciousness (see dianetics, scientology, hinduism, buddhism, wicca, occultism, etc..), not the God of the Bible. DO NOT JOIN THEM.
The contention that Billy Graham said that, is too weird for me. There has to be some kind of mixup or confusion. I refuse to jump on the bandwagon and condemn Rev. Graham because of what someone posted on the Net.
Ruth Carter Stapleton, Jimmy's sister I think, is a big into this stuff.
Yeah, I want to know EXACTLY what he said - not what someone thinks he said.
goto min 9 through 11 to hear Billy Graham for yourself.
People will be saved even if they've never heard of Jesus.
Tell me why this is inaccurate.
Ooo, sounds like the christian mystics have got to him. All of a sudden, you can find god and truth within you. THIS IS TRAGIC!
I listened to it.
Yes, there is some very complex salvation theory going on...but I will not throw Billy out of the boat on this one.
It does not ring to the level of heresy to me...its simply someone contemplating how people who have not ever heard of Jesus may be saved and go to heaven.
I go to prepare a place for you... If it were not so I would have told you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. Thomas saith unto him "But we do NOT know where you go, Lord, and how can we know the way?" Jesus saith unto him "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes unto the Father except by Me." Jhn 14:3-6
I'm not sure that there isn't a way after death to get to meet our Lord and confess his name, but if you deny him in life it's doubtful you get too much leeway in death.
ghost. Does not God reveal himself in nature?
please give me a little more discussion so I can know what youre thinking.
That's theologically sound.
Jesus said: "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man cometh unto the father except through Me."
"I am the door...."
Jesus has just been downgraded by none other than Billy Graham. Unbelievable.
The fate of those who haven't heard, or who can't understand (like small children) aren't spoken about in the Bible. We must have faith that God is infinitly just and merciful and will apply those qualities in such situations.
"...ya gotta know about him 'fore you believe in him..."
What about people who do not possess the mental faculties to understand the message of the Bible? Do you think that they are condemned to hell? Creating a child who is destined to leave a life of dependence and suffering on Earth and who is condemned to suffer the fires of hell for eternity doesn't sound like something a loving God would suffer to happen. Perhaps Billy Graham suspects that there may be much more to God than what can possibly be described in the words of men. For my part, I suspect he's right.
No. Some think that's the case and use it to bash Christianity, but it's not. The Bible recognizes that not everyone is going to have a chance to hear the good news, but proposes that a man who is righteous will naturally form within himself a semblence of the law even if he does not know the law. This is New Testament Epistle stuff, though I can't quote chapter and verse on it.
I don't know that it is, but should people who don't believe in heaven feel insulted if you tell them that they aren't going to heaven?
I don't think that I would feel insulted if a Hindu insulted me by saying that I won't be reincarnated as a cow.
Heaven is specifically described in Revelations. Native Americans (Indians) might read the description of heaven in Revelations and decide that they would rather go to the happy hunting grounds.
Why do I suspect that this little blurb is full of crap?
Scripture quote please for 'consciousness of the truth of Christ' that saves.
You have to REALLY test people to see if what they say, salvation is only through Jesus, is what they mean.
Question for you 'The Ghost of FReepers Past'...
If a person is born and due to his geographic location, he never has the opportunity to even hear about Christ, much less accept or reject him, do you believe his soul is damned for eternity?
It is one thing to hear of Christ and reject the teeaching, and something else entirely to have never heard of Christ and still not have the opportunity for salvation, even after death. Many have never even heard of Christ while on earth. For example, what about the innocent infants and babies who don't know anything of Christ - won't their souls be saved? I don't understand how this will work and I think maybe that is the context that Billy Graham is also thinking about.
Can anyone help me find the audio. I've been to the site and there are many on Billy Graham. What is the exact title please?
Actually, it is a common belief in Christianity. A person must reject Grace in order to go to Hell. That protects babies and those who never hear the Gospel.
If you hear the Gospel and you do not say "yes", you are condemned. There is no "maybe" or "later".
I sincerely hope the person posting this information is not bearing false witness against Billy Graham. Transcript?
Just a FYI, not that I expect to change your mind.