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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Actually, it is a common belief in Christianity. A person must reject Grace in order to go to Hell. That protects babies and those who never hear the Gospel.

If you hear the Gospel and you do not say "yes", you are condemned. There is no "maybe" or "later".


48 posted on 07/01/2005 10:23:45 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: AppyPappy

Then it would be better to not have missionaries.


53 posted on 07/01/2005 10:26:19 AM PDT by cherrytoes (Life is - you know...)
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To: AppyPappy

"Actually, it is a common belief in Christianity. A person must reject Grace in order to go to Hell. That protects babies and those who never hear the Gospel. If you hear the Gospel and you do not say 'yes', you are condemned. There is no 'maybe' or 'later'."

If that is the case, then we need to burn all the Bibles and tell all missionaries to shut the hell up - that way everyone will be saved.


57 posted on 07/01/2005 10:26:53 AM PDT by Avenger
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To: AppyPappy

That sounds rather like you have once chance..... only one. If you are "saved" and then you back slide you are destined for hell because you probably never meant it anyway.

I don't think so.


121 posted on 07/01/2005 10:56:45 AM PDT by Jaded (Hell sometimes has fluorescent lighting and a trumpet.)
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Graham has fallen away from orthodox Christianity.

And, those who say these quotes are isolated are wrong.

He has said this heresy for years.

May 31, 1997 interview with Robert Schuller: "I've met people in various parts of the world...that have never seen a Bible or heard about a Bible, and never heard of Jesus, but they've believed in their hearts that there was a God. So, there you have it. The world's most famous evangelist teaches that no one needs Jesus to be saved and enter the Kingdom of Heaven. They're already members of the Body of Christ whether they know it or not! All they have to do is believe in a God."

"I used to believe that pagans in far-off countries were lost--were going to hell. I no longer believe that. I believe that there are other ways of recognizing the existence of God--through nature, for instance." (McCall Magazine Jan. 1987).

"I respect other paths to God," (Billy Graham, Parade Magazine, Oct 20th 1996)

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IOW, all you need to do is believe in a God to be saved. You don't need Jesus.

Frankly, I am willing to accept that God can save anybody he wants to even if they do not accept Christ. The Jews who had faith in God were saved because they had faith in God, and Christ was the Word involved in creation. Christ is God, not just the Son. So, in effect, the OT saints had faith in Christ, too, though they did not realize it. But, Graham goes far beyond this and says that God WILL save anyone who has never heard of Jesus Christ. This is NOT a position that can be proven from Scripture.

There is no Scriptural support for the idea that one today will go to heaven if they believe in any sort of heathen god, or as Graham put it, "other paths to God." No, you must believe in the one true God, which is only the Christian God. Not the Buddhist God. Not the Muslim or the Hindu. There is a reason why the Jews of today are not saved. They reject Jesus Christ, one of the members of the trinity, so in effect the Jews do not believe in the one true God either because their God is missing one of the members of the trinity.

If Scripture said those who only believe in a god will be saved, then orthodox Christianity has missed something. Jesus said he was the way, the truth, and the life. NO MAN.....NO MAN comes to the father except through him. NOBODY.

Scripture doesn't say there are exceptions for that poor native in Africa who has never heard the Gospel. If he hasn't heard the Gospel, he is going to hell because he doesn't believe in the truth. It doesn't matter that he hasn't heard it. Persisting in a rejection of Christ will result in damnation. And, even if you haven't heard the Gospel, Romans 1 makes abundantly clear you still are guilty before God because nature itself cries out the truth of God, including the trinity...

There is nothing in Scripture that indicates otherwise.

Eventually, Romans 11 or so indicates that God will deal more with the Jews and even perhaps save all of them, but they are not saved as of yet because they have REJECTED Christ just like everybody, so their understanding of the one true God is flawed. And, even those who have never heard of Christ, reject in their hearts because they choose evil or false religions.

Billy Graham is outside orthodox Christianity on this matter.


141 posted on 07/01/2005 11:11:15 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: AppyPappy

Not that I necessarily disagree with you, but how would you fit John 3:17-18 into that?


202 posted on 07/01/2005 12:03:52 PM PDT by Rhadaghast (Yeshua HaMashiach Tzidkaynu)
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