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Afghan: Two missing US troops 'are dead'
BBC News ^ | 07/04/05

Posted on 07/04/2005 6:22:59 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Last Updated: Monday, 4 July, 2005, 18:36 GMT 19:36 UK
 
Two missing US troops 'are dead'
 
US soldiers over the Pakistan border
The US launched a major hunt for the missing men
Two of the three US special forces soldiers missing in eastern Afghanistan for almost a week have been found dead, US government sources tell the BBC.

The whereabouts of the other team member remains unclear, while a fourth soldier was found alive on Saturday.

The governor of Konar province has spoken of reports that an American is being cared for in a remote village.

The US launched a major hunt for the men after a Chinook helicopter sent to find them was shot down last week.

The 16 US soldiers on board the helicopter were killed.

Village mystery

In the Afghan capital, Kabul, US officials confirmed the deaths of the two missing soldiers, members of an elite Navy Seals unit.

Speaking anonymously, one official described their deaths as a "terrible tragedy".

The US military released a statement on Monday confirming that one soldier had been found alive on Saturday.

The man, who had been missing since 28 June, was taken to Bagram Airfield for treatment and is said to be in a stable condition.

But the US remains cautious about reports that villagers in a remote village have been caring for a wounded American.

Mr Wafa said Afghan troops received reports about the man on Sunday night, but had not yet reached the village.

The BBC's Andrew North, in Kabul, says it remains unclear whether this is old information relating to the American already rescued, or evidence of a fourth team member still being alive.

Inquiry demand

Meanwhile, the US military has said it regrets that civilians were killed in an air strike by US forces in eastern Afghanistan.

Women and children were among 17 killed in the raid on Chechal village, Konar province governor Assadullah Wafa said.

Mr Wafa has called the bombing a "mistake" and called for an investigation into how it happened.

In a statement, the US said it regretted the loss of innocent life but maintained that it struck a valid target, and that enemy "terrorists" were among those killed.




TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghan; afghanistan; fallen; gwot; mia; missing; navyseal; oef; rescue; specialforces; survivor
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1 posted on 07/04/2005 6:23:03 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: Travis McGee; DevSix; Criminal Number 18F

Dunno if ya'll have seen this .......scuse if ya have !


2 posted on 07/04/2005 6:26:16 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Squantos

Still nothing on Fox...they are maintaining that the search is continuing. Do they run reruns on the weekend?


3 posted on 07/04/2005 6:31:53 PM PDT by Sunshine55 (Does Anita van der Sloot suffer from Carolyn Condit syndrome?)
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To: Sunshine55

FNC seems to be losing it.......I don't watch anymore...get my nooooze here. If it's not BS about a celeb etc they seem to pass it by.


4 posted on 07/04/2005 6:37:09 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I sure hope this isn't true.

God bless all 4 of these guys...and their families.

Does anyone here know...is it true these 4 were taking on about a hundred enemies during this mission? I heard something on the news earlier today, and I'm wondering if they were talking about this story.


5 posted on 07/04/2005 6:51:15 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (H.R. 698 - go drop anchor somewhere else)
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To: Squantos

Still holding out hope until any DOD confirmation -


6 posted on 07/04/2005 7:07:17 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: All

The deaths of two of the SEALs was confirmed tonight on all the evening news shows, too.

It was a 4-man team. One was rescued Saturday as we all know, 2 were found dead today (no details on the circumstances yet) and one is still considered missing.

There was some confusion earlier today when the Afghan governor of the region claimed that a 2nd SEAL (other than the one already rescued) was safe and being sheltered by local villagers. The U.S. military says they have no info on this claim and think he may be speaking of the SEAL who was already rescued.

So basically, one is still missing.


7 posted on 07/04/2005 7:07:28 PM PDT by saquin
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To: DevSix
Still holding out hope until any DOD confirmation.

You're right, we should probably wait for official confirmation. All the confirmation so far seems to be from unnamed sources in the U.S. military.

8 posted on 07/04/2005 7:09:58 PM PDT by saquin
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To: All
G.I.'s Recover Bodies of 2 on Seal Team in Afghanistan

KABUL, Afghanistan, July 4 - American forces have recovered the bodies of two members of a four-man Navy Seal reconnaissance team that was reported missing last week after coming under hostile fire in a mountainous region of eastern Afghanistan, a senior Defense Department official said Monday.

The defense official, as well as other Pentagon and military officials in Afghanistan and Washington, declined to provide details of where and how the two bodies had been found, and declined to identify the men publicly until family members have been notified.

Seems like confirmation. :-(

9 posted on 07/04/2005 7:14:56 PM PDT by saquin
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To: TigerLikesRooster

This is really too bad. From what I heard on Fox TV, it was a 4-man squad of Navy SEALs. Two guys were killed and two evaded capture and were rescued.


10 posted on 07/04/2005 7:15:16 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." -- G.W. Bush, regarding Sen. Kerry's lack of vision)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Two guys were killed and two evaded capture and were rescued.

Only one was rescued so far. There's confusion about the 4th SEAL, though he's still officially missing.

From the same NYT article:

News of the deaths, which were first reported by the British Broadcasting Corporation, came as there were conflicting reports about the location of one of the other members of the Special Operations team. The governor of Kunar Province, where the team was when it was reported missing, said Monday that a Seal commando was reported to be alive and in the hands of Afghan villagers.

But American officials in Washington said the governor's remarks, which gave rise to hopes that a second member of the team had been found alive, actually referred to the one team member who was rescued Saturday and flown to safety on Sunday, still leaving one member unaccounted for. "What we have here is a time lag in the reporting," a senior defense official said.

The governor, Asadullah Wafa, cautioned that he was still trying to verify the report but indicated that he believed it was separate from the report of the first Seal commando who was rescued. According to the new report, he said that the sailor was being cared for by villagers, and that Afghan soldiers and policemen were trying to reach the remote village to rescue him. "There is a report, we don't know if it is true yet," he said.

11 posted on 07/04/2005 7:17:45 PM PDT by saquin
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To: Squantos
FNC seems to be losing it.......I don't watch anymore...get my nooooze here. If it's not BS about a celeb etc they seem to pass it by.

Roger that!

Between the car chases and hollyweird worshipping crap, it's meaningless to view anymore...I set the tivo for Britt Humes afternoon show, and that's it...

12 posted on 07/04/2005 7:25:50 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: TigerLikesRooster

God, keep these brave souls in your everlasting peace and may you comfort their famlies. Bless our troops.


13 posted on 07/04/2005 7:29:14 PM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and the rest can go to hell.)
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To: Dog; Travis McGee

Hope-it's-not-true-and-still-praying BUMP.


14 posted on 07/04/2005 8:09:14 PM PDT by STARWISE ( You get the govt. you deserve. CALL YOUR CONGRESS CRITTERS OFTEN -U.S. CONGRESS: 1-877-762-8762)
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To: Squantos
"But the US remains cautious about reports that villagers in a remote village have been caring for a wounded American. "

May be an attempt to set-up an ambush?

15 posted on 07/04/2005 8:34:41 PM PDT by blam
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To: saquin
It was a 4-man team. One was rescued Saturday as we all know, 2 were found dead today (no details on the circumstances yet)

I just hope they went down fighting and that B-52 strike wasn't a mercy mission.

16 posted on 07/04/2005 8:36:46 PM PDT by fso301
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To: TigerLikesRooster

"A brave man dies once, a coward a thousand times".

"Let us cross the river, and rest our horses in the shade".


17 posted on 07/04/2005 8:42:24 PM PDT by porkchops 4 mahound (God Bless our American Armed Forces. Protect and preserve them always. Amen)
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To: blam

I'd suspect as we read this they already have the guy or are enroute if the intel was solid or not......those who go in harms way have to know that everything possible will be done to get em back to safety if they fall on hard times under fire or not.....


18 posted on 07/04/2005 8:53:20 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: TigerLikesRooster
In a statement, the US said it regretted the loss of innocent life but maintained that it struck a valid target, and that enemy "terrorists" were among those killed.

Don't you just love how they put the word "terrorist" in quotes?

19 posted on 07/04/2005 8:53:47 PM PDT by cantfindagoodscreenname
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Any news on the other soldier?


20 posted on 07/04/2005 9:05:12 PM PDT by Bush gal in LA
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To: Squantos

Especially Greta. She's devolved into doing just the celebrity hi-profile case of the month. "On location in Aruba"? Puh-LEEZE.


21 posted on 07/04/2005 9:10:48 PM PDT by kezekiel
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To: kezekiel

She better be careful in all that sun after her overhaul....or does avon make a putty knife ?


22 posted on 07/04/2005 9:14:50 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Sunshine55
Still nothing on Fox...

Fox also reported that the brother of that gal that was recovered from the pedo in Coeur d'Alene was found alive... they need to tighten up their sourcing.

The only official material from DOD yet is related to the man who was found alive and hospitalized. If these other men are indeed dead, it will take the DOD another 1-2 days to post it. Unlike the media, they try to get it right.

d.o.l

Criminal Number 18F

23 posted on 07/04/2005 9:58:55 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F (Support and avenge our fallen operators)
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To: Criminal Number 18F

Has it been confirmed that all 18 aboard the Chopper are definately gone? I have a fellow Franklinite with that group and we are still waiting official word.


24 posted on 07/04/2005 10:06:26 PM PDT by ping jockey (We must not let Dan Blather off the hook.NEVER FORGET)
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To: ping jockey

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1435955/posts
Check post 5. It lists their names and hometowns.


25 posted on 07/04/2005 10:43:34 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem!)
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To: JDoutrider; Squantos

re: FNC..." set the tivo for Britt Humes afternoon show, and that's it..."

DITTO HERE. Actually, after that, I finally killed the TV two months ago and just listen to Brit on XM now.


26 posted on 07/04/2005 11:35:36 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: saquin

Do you know -- are these all (two deceased, one missing) SEAL Team 10 members as well?


27 posted on 07/04/2005 11:37:18 PM PDT by lainie
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To: SeaBiscuit

Tears,Prayers.


28 posted on 07/04/2005 11:40:41 PM PDT by fatima (Make a move and the Bunny gets it.-Guess what movie)
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To: Squantos
"FNC seems to be losing it.......I don't watch anymore...get my nooooze here. If it's not BS about a celeb etc they seem to pass it by."

Same here. I've watched about 20 minutes of Fox News all weekend and it was all Aruba all day long except for a little on the Idaho Kid found a Denny's !

I turned it on to get an update on the Idaho kids and had to listen to 18 minutes on Aruba then 2 mins on the Idaho kids.

29 posted on 07/04/2005 11:46:00 PM PDT by america-rules
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To: lainie

Now that three of the four have been accounted for, the claim, by the Taliban in the beginning, that one soldier had been captured is becoming more ominous.


30 posted on 07/05/2005 2:04:47 AM PDT by Woliff
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To: fso301

I heard an NBC report this morning that those who retrieved the bodies had to use technical climbing gear on a sheer face to retrieve them. If true, it is doubtful they were in the location that was bombed.


31 posted on 07/05/2005 6:08:23 AM PDT by lugsoul ("She talks and she laughs." - Tom DeLay)
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To: lugsoul
I heard an NBC report this morning that those who retrieved the bodies had to use technical climbing gear on a sheer face to retrieve them. If true, it is doubtful they were in the location that was bombed.

Thanks, I'm glad to hear that.

32 posted on 07/05/2005 6:13:37 AM PDT by fso301
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To: ping jockey

There were sixteen on the chopper, 8 SEALS (5 from ST 10 in Little Creek and 3 from an SDV team at Pearl Harbour) and 8 aircrew. 7 from 3rd Battalion, 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment, and one from HQ, 160th. None survived.

If the Franklinite was Tre Ponder, I regret to say he is gone. Please accept my condolences. The official US DOD list of the helicopter casualties is here:

http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/2005/nr20050702-3865.html

Rest in peace soldiers and sailors brave. Your nation mourns.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F


33 posted on 07/05/2005 7:01:17 AM PDT by Criminal Number 18F (Support and avenge our fallen operators)
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To: Criminal Number 18F; Grampa Dave
Rest in peace soldiers and sailors brave. Your nation mourns.

Prayers for all the families, friends and the fallen. Also for the unnacounted for missing hero.

I would not want to be on the receiving end of the payback which will soon come.

34 posted on 07/05/2005 8:00:53 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: Squantos

Hmmm...bad news. I wonder WHAT went wrong. SEALs usually have VERY good reachback support.


35 posted on 07/05/2005 8:04:34 AM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: Squantos

Fox news = "We're confused, you decide." V's wife.


36 posted on 07/05/2005 8:32:56 AM PDT by ventana ("The essential things in history begin always with the small, more convinced communities." Ben. XVI)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

this seems like such an odd story ... i would think that there have been many other situations like this that we haven't heard about, but why this one? ... make me wonder if some one is saying some thing to some body who shouldn't know about it


37 posted on 07/05/2005 8:59:13 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (Life is full of choices, but you never get any.)
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To: hiredhand

Murphy clearly showed up at a bad time .......some days yer the bug , some days yer the windshield per se. Happens to even our best sometimes.

Prayers up....


38 posted on 07/05/2005 9:25:56 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: hiredhand
Look at the series of events. Team probably gets detected ( they might not have realized they were compromised) then attacked, calls for support right away. Now 1hour passes, thats eternity. Mujaheeded had time to setup for choppers (maybe before team was even hit), probably had an experienced person plan positions of the terrorists with guided missiles. Choppers come in, probably barrage of missiles is fired from different elevations etc. One goes down, at this point team if they are still alive is really in trouble, chopper crew has to be rescued too (nobody knows they are dead). It goes downhill from there (drone craft is shut down too, intelligence feed is cut). One got away somehow, hopefully he will be fine.

What went wrong probably is they got detected and did not know it happened. Being detected is bad enough, not knowing is lethal.
39 posted on 07/05/2005 9:46:37 AM PDT by dimk
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To: Squantos

Yes. Prayers up!


40 posted on 07/05/2005 10:44:49 AM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: dimk

If it happened that way, then I agree it was definitely a bad scene. I always hate to hear about losing these sorts of soldiers. Every soldier is an incalculable loss, but these guys are some of our best. Prayers up for the survivor, and all the families!


41 posted on 07/05/2005 10:49:14 AM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: Squantos

What's striking me as odd about the story so far is that the four man crew seems to have gotten widely scattered? No info on whether they were unusually beat up which brings some doubt into the notion of them running into a large tribe? The incident seems to be taking place around 10,000 ft which would indicate really difficult evasion if they stumbled into a beehive.
I'm trying to be patient waiting for details but this mission is taking on the sound of a Jimmy Carter/Iran/clusterflock.


42 posted on 07/05/2005 11:07:48 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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What's striking me as odd about the story so far is that the four man crew seems to have gotten widely scattered? No info on whether they were unusually beat up which brings some doubt into the notion of them running into a large tribe? The incident seems to be taking place around 10,000 ft which would indicate really difficult evasion if they stumbled into a beehive. I'm trying to be patient waiting for details but this mission is taking on the sound of a Jimmy Carter/Iran/clusterflock.

Absolutely incorrect! On a number of accounts (and let's not rehash the American hostage rescue attempt in Iran - it was much closer to being a success then most people think)

You say "beat up"? What exactly are you inferring here? - The fact is their site was overrun by 100 + al Qeade / Taliban fighters - They were engaged and trying to E & E after this initial engagement took place -

"difficult evasion" you suggest - Without a doubt! Thus one of the reason for the Team breaking up - Another quite real possibility is one of the SEALs being wounded during the initial engagement and the others putting him in a hide site and then continuing away from him (drawing fire).

The fact is none of us know exactly what went down and none of us should be questioning any of their judgment! (we were not there!) - These are some of the most skilled warriors in the World, they know their craft inside and out.

To suggest this was any type of clusterfk is simply ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous at this time. The fact is that any of these warriors made it out alive is probably going to be a miracle when all the facts come out (if they do, and that is a big if - the general public still does not know all the facts behind the American hostage rescue attempt in 1980).

Let's continue to pray for the remaining missing SEAL - That we bring him out alive as well - I also hope we did not lose these two other SEALs within the past 24 to 36 hours (because we could not get to them in time).

An additional fact here is that if not for a lucky RPG shot (most likely) the QRF would have probably pulled these SEALs out and none of this entire story would be known.

These SEALs as well as our other U.S. SOF have thousands of successful missions that are never talked about, are never known about. No one should forget this. (or start questioning these same warriors every time a Op doesn't go perfectly).

43 posted on 07/05/2005 11:31:41 AM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix

You do indeed get my drift but I apparently didn't make my "cluster " concern clear. I have all the faith in the world in the guys on the ground---it's the rescue effort that's starting to sound "Carterish". Whoever ordered the rescue had to know whether the squad took fire. They had to know if their camp was on a cliff. They had to know something of the size of the tribe the squad spotted and they had to know, therefore, the 47's would take fire if they came in hi and proud. There's an odd reason we're getting so much press on this incident and I'm still waiting to figure out what that might be.


44 posted on 07/05/2005 11:47:49 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: cherokee1; Travis McGee

Totally disagree.....things happen , batteries in NVG's go bad, comm is lost, gear breaks, plan A , B and C goes to hell in a nano shake. Aside from the super human image folks have of these guys they are human in physical ability but mentally they are warriors...SEAL's. I have no idea what happened and if it saves lives of others I don't need to know. With operatinal security and classified need to know only after action reports comes ability to complete the next mission and the next.

I am happy to know these folks are badasses that can think on their feet undre fire. But they bleed. But understand this....we'll only get what the DOD wants the MSM to know...true or not. Prayers up for these guys , their family and friends .

Just my opinion......but publicity, good or bad, hurts the spec ops community.


45 posted on 07/05/2005 11:56:15 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: cherokee1
The QRF didn't come in high and proud they came in ASAP - Why sans any big guns (Apache, AC-130's, etc) That could be open for debate however I am sure they SEALs on board that QRF didn't give a sh*t about nothing else then getting to their mates who were in desperate straights! And just get their ASAP (come hell or high-water).

The fact is a lucky RPG shot most likely took down the MH47 - Mr. Murphy showed up, that is it. There is no reason (or right, IMO) for others to start seconding guessing these warriors in the field on this Op.

Reason we are getting so much press is simple! - We've lost 10 of our elite warriors. This just doesn't happen that often. Plain and simple. Again, if not for the lucky RPG shot none of this would have become public - the QRF pulls those SEALs out -

46 posted on 07/05/2005 12:07:32 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: Squantos
but publicity, good or bad, hurts the spec ops community.

Exactly right - (and an additional fact is we usually only hear about when an Op goes bad, the other 99% are successful Ops).

47 posted on 07/05/2005 12:11:11 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix
These SEALs as well as our other U.S. SOF have thousands of successful missions that are never talked about, are never known about. No one should forget this. (or start questioning these same warriors every time a Op doesn't go perfectly).

I suspect it's just a matter of statistics. Conduct enough missions and something will eventually go badly wrong. My guess is that the SEAL team was spotted, perhaps long before they knew it.

We may not know for another 50+ years the full details of what happened and that's fine with me. That being said, I'm interested in knowing about the UAV that reportedly went down. Was it brought down. The reason I wonder about the UAV is because flying at ~20K feet would have put it only ~10K above the area and within range of a MANPAD if detected. Could a lookout on a 12K peak spot a Predator sized UAV at ~20K feet?

48 posted on 07/05/2005 12:50:34 PM PDT by fso301
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Damn.


49 posted on 07/05/2005 1:11:28 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (The U.S. government and courts are taking your life, liberty and right to happiness!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Tuesday, 05 July 2005

U.S. Confirms Two Missing Soldiers Are Dead

5 July 2005 (RFE/RL) -- The U.S. military said in a statement today that two members of an American special-forces team missing in eastern Afghanistan for several days are dead.

The statement says the bodies of two members of a missing four-strong Navy SEAL team had been found during search operations on 4 July.

A third member of the team was earlier confirmed to be alive and well in a U.S. military hospital, while the fourth remained unaccounted for.

The statement says the team was part of a force conducting counterterrorism operations in Kunar Province.

A helicopter sent to reinforce that team on 28 June was shot down by what the military believed to be a rocket propelled grenade, killing all 16 navy SEAL commandos and army aviation specialists aboard.

In southern Afghanistan, two Turkish engineers were injured and their Afghan driver killed by Taliban militants on 5 July. Also in the south, suspected militants kidnapped and later killed two Afghan police officers.

In another development, Afghan President Hamid Karzai said today that he is "extremely saddened and distressed" by the death of 17 civilians in a U.S. air strike on 1 July.

(AFP/Reuters/CNN)

source


50 posted on 07/05/2005 2:55:51 PM PDT by show me state
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