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War of the Worlds : Spielberg and Wells on War, Revolutions, Occupations, and Christianity
New Republican Archive ^ | July 4, 2005 | Unknown

Posted on 07/05/2005 7:47:27 PM PDT by CaptIsaacDavis

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To: durasell

His movies are haunted by images of abandonment and broken families. Close Encounters has been called one of the most psycnoligcally unhealthy films ever made. The guy leaves his family forever! A.I. made lots of people uncomfortable. E.T. is on par with Bambi and Pinnochio in its evocation of the ephiphnies and emotional experience of childhood. All great artists eventually begin to reference themselves. Hitchcock included. And unlike Capra, SS isn't fizzling out.


41 posted on 07/05/2005 9:05:02 PM PDT by Borges
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To: what's up

Rumor has it the young girl had to walk in a trench next when playing opposite Cruise as to not tower over him ala Alan Ladd and Jean Arthur in Shane.


42 posted on 07/05/2005 9:05:29 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: CaptIsaacDavis
The only good thing I can say about this movie is that it was better than Battlefield Earth. Of course, a root canal with a crowbar would be better than BattleField Earth, so that's not really saying much.

Why can't they make a decent movie based on one of the books by Rober Heinlein? Starship Troopers doesn't count: it wasn't based on the book, and it was a lousy movie.

On a related note, comparing War of the Worlds and Starship Troopers: Why is it that when hollywood makes a movie based on a work of a libertarian like R.A. Heinlein, they allow a hacky scriptwriter to butcher it, but when they base a movie off a work of a socialist like H.G. Wells, nothing is so important as "staying true to the book"?

43 posted on 07/05/2005 9:09:40 PM PDT by pillbox_girl
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To: durasell

Not true. Actually, Cruise walked on top of his B.S. and appeared higher than his film daughter. Her screams, BTW, were when Cruise began to emote or Spielberg sought to convey a message to all of us in the unwashed heartland.


44 posted on 07/05/2005 9:11:07 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (NEW and IMPROVED: Now with 100% more Tyrannical Tendencies and Dictator Envy!)
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To: pillbox_girl

Nice to give some reasons? Anyway the film of Starship Troopers was a satire. On that basis it was brilliant.


45 posted on 07/05/2005 9:11:15 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Brett66
[ Weird aliens blow up stuff, but we survive after they catch colds, the end. ]

Check.. aliens clueless about biology.. probably some other science too..
then Scientologist saves world.?. I see..
Cuss.... drop popcorn, walk out of theater..

46 posted on 07/05/2005 9:11:31 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed me to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: what's up
Oh, also, I was pleasantly surprised to see Speilberg portray the US Army as loyal and courteous and his fellow liberal Tim Robbins portrayed as a crazy quack.
47 posted on 07/05/2005 9:13:33 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Borges

You'd think that if he was so haunted, he'd get it right or at least reveal himself. I see his movies and they are like these perfectly calibrated machines. Completely passionless. You look at a movie like Bringing Out the Dead -- every shot isn't perfect -- but the people are three dimensional. Like life, it's messy and almost out of control. And yes, it was smaller in scale, but maybe abandoning that sweeping scope and repetitive use of "money shot" special effects set pieces would have helpe the movie.


48 posted on 07/05/2005 9:16:05 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: what's up

Still remember Robbins was playing a sort of right wing survivalist crackpot. But Spielberg has always shown the military in a positive light. From Saving Private Ryan to the returning WW2 soldiers at the end of Close Encounters. Not to menion his production of Band of Brothers.


49 posted on 07/05/2005 9:16:38 PM PDT by Borges
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To: durasell

He does though. Fear of abandoment. This kind of view of historical consequences that's almost Mizoguchi like. And he's the heir to Kurosawa in directing spectacle. The special effects in WOTW happen to be in the back of the frame most of the time! I love how it hews so closely to Cruise's POV that there is a major battle going on over the hill but we never see it. We just hear it and see barest remnants of gunfire. He uses whip pans all the time so I don't see why you think every shot looks perfect. And Scorsese has an MA in film so he's the last one to just let things slide. If a shot looks off its because he wanted it that way. It's every bit as calculated as any money shot.


50 posted on 07/05/2005 9:20:39 PM PDT by Borges
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Robbins was playing a sort of right wing survivalist crackpot

Didn't get that. I and I believe most would believe he was just cracked because he had lost his family.

51 posted on 07/05/2005 9:20:48 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Borges

No, his portrayal of WWII soldiers is deferential. In WOTW, he portrays the military as the kind of robotic buffoons that were typical of the 50's B-Sci-Fi movies. That is, the are simply shown going to their inescapbale deathes by virtue of the fact that they are military drones. Cruise even says as much in his little face to face with his son. Recall ET and the use of military force. Or how 'bout Indiana Jones and the way the military-intelligence establishment deep sixed the Ark of the Covenant. No, Spielberg is right in line with the lefties of his g-g-generation in nodding to the invincible righteousness of WWII and pissing on all the rest of military efforts.


52 posted on 07/05/2005 9:23:54 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (NEW and IMPROVED: Now with 100% more Tyrannical Tendencies and Dictator Envy!)
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To: what's up

Well that's what most reviews are saying. Now that I think about it perhaps many liberal critics are associating being a loner with weapon who wants to fight back to being a 'right-wing crackpot'. Good point.


53 posted on 07/05/2005 9:24:54 PM PDT by Borges
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I remember that they said the same thing about Battlefield Earth. It would take its place right up there with 2001: A Space Odyssey. "THEY" happen to be knuckleheads and Battlefield Earth will get no closer to 2001 than this movie will attain cult status. Unless your cult is Scientology, of course.


54 posted on 07/05/2005 9:24:56 PM PDT by james500
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To: Borges
Just saw this movie tonight. The visuals is impressive, but the story is kind of disappointing. It was rushed. Spielberg's movies are all pretty much predictable these days.

I think the best movie out right now is the Batman movie. Keep in mind I had no desire to see this movie. The previous Batman movies to me were ok at best. However, this one was a surprise. And I highly recommend to see it in the theater.
55 posted on 07/05/2005 9:25:25 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: sonofatpatcher2
I love Sci-Fi and will put up with just about anything to get my "fix", but I'll wait until I can grab a freebie copy of this.

I won't support these douche-bags when they want to insult me & mine.

Isn't life fun?!!
56 posted on 07/05/2005 9:25:27 PM PDT by rockrr (Gregorovych Nyet!)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Those were real American soldiers in WOTW btw. He had a premiere with them and they had a great time. In Raiders I always thought it was the Goverment Beauracrats who do that. In E.T. the military was just doing their job. I don't know how you go from there to 'pissing on all the rest of military efforts'


57 posted on 07/05/2005 9:27:31 PM PDT by Borges
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To: james500

What does this movie have to do with Scientology? forget about Cruise for a moment. This is a superior piece of pure suspense film making and nothing more.


58 posted on 07/05/2005 9:29:05 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

I don't even know how to respond to the Kurosawa comment. You're obviously a smart guy, so I'll chalk it up to a temporary loss of perspective.

The difference between Scorsese and Spielberg is that
Scorsese has somehow retained his connection with actual people. One of the benefits of l Scorsese's iving in NYC, I suppose. All of Spielberg's people are based on a "theory of people" rather than actual knowledge of people. I won't go so far as to say he's a "hollywood elite" because I don't know what that means, but he should definitely get out and about more. Talk to someone other than his laura ahsley wearing hordes and studio executives.


59 posted on 07/05/2005 9:29:24 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Sprite518
I think the best movie out right now is the Batman movie

I feel the opposite. I was disappointed with the Batman movie after hearing such good things about it.

In contrast, after hearing such lousy stuff about the "War of Worlds" movie, I was pleasantly surprised.

60 posted on 07/05/2005 9:32:49 PM PDT by what's up
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