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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 6
Various News Outlets | 07/08/05

Posted on 07/08/2005 10:16:50 AM PDT by TexKat

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To: TexKat

Interesting transcript TexKat. But sort of glanced over it. My eyes are burning so bad from both allergies and working on a computer all day. I gotta get off this thing now. Ciao Freepers. Have a good night. CO


1,741 posted on 07/12/2005 9:32:11 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: TexKat
MILLER: You know what, we're interested in a boat that left here and went to Venezuela that we can't locate. So, I'm not going to say that it's not an impossibility and another thing I must say, there are some detectives here that's working this case, private detectives, that maybe Natalee's father doesn't even know.

I found this entire statement curious when I first watched the interview. I wonder if there is anything to this boat and how is it that Natalee's father wouldn't know of additional detectives that are involved?

I admire Miller but he seems to be as quick to be confident and as he is quick to be disillusioned. (I'm sure he's tired, this is just an observation, not judgment.)

1,742 posted on 07/12/2005 9:50:04 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; grizzfan; ...
Aruba police search home of Dutch teen - Wed. Jun. 15 2005 10:37 PM E

Wednesday's search of the van der Sloot home lasted about four hours. Two white-uniformed investigators from Holland carried suitcases into the one-story, yellow-beige home, which includes an attached apartment where the young man lives. They later returned the suitcases to their white, unmarked car.

Investigators also emerged from the house carrying two white plastic garbage bags full of unidentified items. A German Shepherd also sniffed around the property outside the capital, Oranjestad.

Authorities towed a blue sport utility vehicle and a red Jeep away from the house, which is surrounded by a low stone wall and fronted by an expanse of trees and cacti.

"The search is part of the investigation," said Mariaine Croes, a spokeswoman for Attorney General Caren Janssen.

Croes said both cars belonged to the family, but she did not say why they were taken away.

Janssen, who also went into the house, declined to comment as investigators wrapped up their search at about 4 p.m. Six police officers guarded the entrance to the property.

"We are just looking for evidence at the house but have nothing yet," police spokesman Edwin Comemencia said during the search.

1,743 posted on 07/12/2005 9:50:58 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Dolphy
I admire Miller but he seems to be as quick to be confident and as he is quick to be disillusioned.

I agree Dolphy. It was just last week that Miller was upset about something, never did get the entire story about that. But a day or so later Mr. Huston of Equusearch painted an entirely different picture of what was transpiring.

1,744 posted on 07/12/2005 9:55:03 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: pamlet

...... mark for tomorrow


1,745 posted on 07/12/2005 10:01:04 PM PDT by pamlet
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
his reply is confusing, as I cannot believe he was unaware of the reports on jun 10-11. Perhaps he should have qualified his answer as Nancy did in asking the last question.

I cannot believe this either. Its just like everything else in this case, confusing. It seems as if everyone else knows more than Natalee's parents.

1,746 posted on 07/12/2005 10:14:58 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: countryconservative
Most likely it is a cistern underground. Chances are there are not "wells" on the island due to table water being salt water. All along I have said that I thought she had been dumped in a old cistern (this is a huge tank underground that has a manhole size cover on it) as they are every where on the island before a salt to fresh water plant was built.

Do you think they have septic tanks for the homes on Aruba?
1,747 posted on 07/12/2005 10:17:56 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: toldyou
Thanks toldyou. I saw this article last week while searching for something else pertaining to the case but never got back to it. Thanks for posting it.

Mary Elizabeth Davis of Clinton looks over photographs chronicling her 15-year friendship with Natalee Holloway. The teens grew up together in the Cascades neighborhood before Holloway moved to Alabama five years ago.

Childhood friends Shelly Chambers, left, Natalee Holloway and Kayla Grooms helped Mary Elizabeth Davis celebrate her sixth birthday.

Mary Elizabeth Davis, left, Brooke Thomas and Natalee Holloway posed for the camera before a junior high dance in 1999.

1,748 posted on 07/12/2005 10:26:54 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat
Croes said both cars belonged to the family, but she did not say why they were taken away.

They are searching the VDS home at this point? They might as well come over to my house & look for clues.

They'll probably take the cars over the the Kalpoe Car Wash & Detail - Open Daily From 3:00am to Sunrise

I wonder if all the police, wearing big red noses & floppy shoes, piled out of one miniature toy car.

1,749 posted on 07/12/2005 10:31:11 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: GarySpFc
Do you think they have septic tanks for the homes on Aruba?

Septic tanks and systems cleaning-yellow pages in Aruba

Health Situation Analysis and Trends Summary - Aruba

Wastewater is treated through both individual systems—including cesspits, septic tanks, and direct drainage into the ocean—and the collective system, which may be by central cesspit, purification of wastewater, and drainage into the ocean.

1,750 posted on 07/12/2005 10:37:22 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: gubamyster
I wonder if all the police, wearing big red noses & floppy shoes, piled out of one miniature toy car.

LOL, they probably did since they weren't doing undercover work that day.

1,751 posted on 07/12/2005 10:43:42 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: cajungirl

Well, if he is a wolf in sheep's clothing, he's got the sheep's makeup and accessories on too. He is going up against the Dutch corruption in his paper.


1,752 posted on 07/13/2005 12:14:37 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: toldyou

Shmuck originally meant the male member. If you hear someone call someone a shmeckel, that is a diminutive shmuck.


1,753 posted on 07/13/2005 12:16:31 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle
If you hear someone call someone a shmeckel, that is a diminutive shmuck

Aaaahhhh, the things you learn on free republic! :)

1,754 posted on 07/13/2005 12:22:32 AM PDT by justche (No one can go back and make a brand new start, any one can start now and make a brand new ending)
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To: af_vet_1981

Well, a lot of us did suspect the possibility that she was fed to the sharks. I do think that if Joran buried her, probably badly, that night after she died (at his hand or from drugs he gave her), his father probably came along afterward to move her, and this shark area seems like the perfect place to make poor Natalee disappear.


1,755 posted on 07/13/2005 12:24:58 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: GarySpFc

Most likely they have them - of course some may be old and unused now. The island only started becoming modern in the last 20 years or so.

I know that they used cisterns at one time and probably still use them in rural areas on the island.

For those that don't know... (city dwellers)

A Cistern holds fresh water that is hauled in by truck or holds water that is pumped from a fresh water well, also you can catch "rain" water from roof gutters that empty into the cistern - you just treat it with bleach. (the in ground tanks are made of heavy walled plastic or concrete - I have a 3 bedroom home and we have two 1500 gallon in ground concrete cisterns)

Septic Tanks hold and leach out human waste

A water well taps into underground fresh water and it would have to be fresh water (non salt).

It is most likely that they are talking about a old cistern that was used on the island before they ran "city" water lines.

I read somewhere that the island use to have fresh water hauled in to the island many mnay years ago and that they also used rain water. (cisterns are perfect for catching rain water)

pictures of cistern tanks...

http://images.google.com/images?q=cistern+tank&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images


1,756 posted on 07/13/2005 1:19:49 AM PDT by countryconservative (<<<<<<<<<<<< original FR start date 9/21/05 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<)
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To: Canadian Outrage

Here's the quote from the LKL transcript:

KING: Dave, Tim Miller has become your friend. Has kind of given up that she's alive. I know you have hope, but is it pretty dim?

MILLER: I've spent a lot of time with the Police Commissioner van der Straaten, and he told me that he has got enough stuff without a body for prosecution. Our deal is to bring Natalee home. That family needs that body. They need to be able to say goodbye and start their healing process.

Natalee is not alive. I'm sorry. And somebody knows. And now we're starting to get angry our own self. We're searchers over here on their island, but now I'm getting angry.


1,757 posted on 07/13/2005 1:35:56 AM PDT by maggief
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To: truthluva
"I can't figure Tim ut. One day he sounds like he doesn't think they will be able to find her so they are leaving, the next he seems sure he's on to something and they are staying."

That's just what the aruban authorities do. It's like 2 sides in a psych war with each other. I can't imagine what's being said behind the scenes.

1,758 posted on 07/13/2005 3:28:04 AM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: maggief

While waiting for the news, we might as well posts interesting sites on Aruba,,here is one with photos from early in the fifties and even earlier. Esso had the big plant and there was a link between Baton Rouge and Aruba if you can believe it. But these are photos taken and very interesting. No tourism yet.

http://w3.trib.com/~dwood/photogallery.html


1,759 posted on 07/13/2005 4:49:08 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: monkeywrench

Another link about Paul Van Der Sloot and justice in Aruba and his role in hanky panky. Couldn't post the link for some reason so here is the test. Very very interesting, read it closely esp the part about Ben King.


All Press Releases for 07/01/2005





Is Aruba's Government Covering Up Again


Rudy Croes, the Minister of Justice in Aruba, has every opportunity to question the Holloway investigation to assure that there is justice in Aruba.


EAST GREENWICH, RI / PR FREE / Jul 01 2005 --
Rudy Croes, the Minister of Justice in Aruba, has every opportunity to question the Holloway investigation to assure that there is justice in Aruba even against the people that he did favors for and those he received favors from (the Dutch judicial officials).

Aruba is in a very difficult situation and this is not because of the American press, the Holloway case and most definitely not because of a web site by the name of "to hell with Aruba.com." Aruba is going through an extremely difficult period because of a nasty and corrupt government that owes favors to the different departments of the judicial system. The current government in Aruba, MEP has serious problems with the Dutch justice department yet they can not take a stand and voice their concerns due to the favors that they received over the years. The MEP government is maliciously leaking out information to the press about the Dutch police commissioner Jan van der Straten instead of confronting him or any other member of the justice department to ensure that there is no cover up in the investigation of the Holloway case.

The minister of justice, the political party MEP and the Dutch judges are portraying their partiality by bringing in a judge from a different Island to rule over the case yet the officials that are preparing the investigation are all friends and family of the suspect. How partial is this? Those who are preparing the investigation/case have access to all declarations, forensic reports, suspects and suspects family. Several reports by the international press have proven that the van der Sloot family is very close to the investigating team (The Dutch prosecutors office).

The habitual impartiality has been demonstrated in the past with several cases, one case in particular stands out. The case of Alexander Mathew against a Dutch government official, Ben Vocking whom now goes by the name of Ben King . In this particular case documents disappeared, forensic reports were over looked and witnesses were denied, these documents were in the favor of Alexander Mathew. Paul van der Sloot is a high ranking official in the judicial system and is close friends with Ben King, whom now works at the prosecution office. King was reportedly seen visiting Paul van der Sloot at his home when the Arubian police were performing a search of the van der Sloot residence. Mathew's entire case was tampered with. King said that his friend Paul van der Sloot helped him in the Mathew case. How many cases has and will Paul van der Sloot help cover up?

Mathew was isolated for two years and eight months to ensure that the truth would not surface. The Arubian press and the minister of justice, Rudy Croes played a large roll in the defamation of his character to justify his isolation. Now that the truth has surfaced, certain politicians and senators have raised concern that this corruption will repeat itself in the Holloway case and justice will not be served. The minister of justice Rudy Croes is attacking Alexander Mathew, the politicians and the senators in the local newspapers based upon lies. The minister of justice is even accusing Mathew of owning the website "to hell with Aruba. Com," this is a false accusation that is being supported by the Arubian newspaper "Bon Dia Aruba."

Mathew states that the government and the prosecution department is corrupt and is harming the Holloway family and the entire Arubian population. If the Holloway case had been investigated appropriately from the beginning it would have been resolved by now and Aruba would not still be suffering.

The Holloway family must be aware of the corruption that encompasses the Arubian government and judicial system so that they can obtain the appropriate international aid to assist in the search for the truth, justice and most importantly their daughter Natalie.

The govAll Press Releases for 07/01/2005





1,760 posted on 07/13/2005 5:00:10 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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