[wagglebee]

Our Declaration of Independence states that as free human beings, we are entitled to LIFE," and I put that in all caps, "liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The Declaration also says that these rights are "inalienable" and "granted by our Creator," God. If our government does not stand for and protect these basic rights, which are the essence of our creation and humanity, then it will not protect any others.

Perfect!

[Fruitbat]

The liberal side of the argument is taken of early on as they refer to a baby (unborn) as a "fetus" and not a baby. Unless of course it ironically suits their argument in rare cases when a pregnant woman is killed.

Either way, "fetus" indicates that a baby is something other than a life. That's why when engaging in discussions, I always counter the notion that pre-birth a baby is a "fetus" with the reality that it is in fact a baby.

The easy argument for that is that those admitting that a baby is merely a fetus until birth must confront the question that I pose. That question is how do they justify a prematurely born baby, say at six or seven months, with a baby of the same age, yet still in the womb, and perhaps even more developed as a result of going through a normal prenatal process?

There is no answer but to give up one side of the argument. If the side that "it's a fetus" is retained, then surely it's nothing more than a fetus after birth as well and "entitled" to the same treatment as it was in womb, namely abortion, which would be tantamount to murder under current laws.

If the side that "it's a baby" is retained, then the question becomes "at what point did it go from "fetus" to "baby"? A question for which those arguing the matter cannot possibly have an answer for, in spite of their lame efforts to have one.

[goldstategop]

Exactly. Everything else is a euphemism used to justify the morally indefensible. Any one who has seen the famous exchange between Guinan and Captain Picard in Ten Forward in "The Measure Of A Man" knows what I'm talking about. We don't call owning another human being property but the more correct term is slavery. And its still wrong in any age, whether the present or the 24th Century. ALL LIFE IS PRECIOUS. A woman has the right to her own life but she doesn't have the right to decide whether her child lives or dies. Her child is a distinct human being and is NOT her property to do with as she pleases. Ultimately when you get down to it, that's what makes the abortion debate so heated. Unlike the Left, we believe there is a fundamental right to life we all have.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)

[Lexinom]

Dred Scott permitted whites in this country to own black slaves and eventually this decision was struck down. So, Anita, your child is not your personal property. Your body may be, but your child isn't. Your child is a distinct and individual human being that you helped to create and produce -- and no one owns that child's rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. So she wrote back and she thanked me, said she "hadn't looked at it that way;" she "appreciated that perspective." So I wanted to share that with you. One of the reasons why is because here we've had these Supreme Court decisions on property rights, private property rights, and you can see how some people interpret all of these, and extrapolate them to other issues in what may be the beginning of their education process. So I thought it was a great question that she asked and I was happy to be able to answer it for her.

That's encouraging, and lends support to the notion that support for abortion (for the dwindling minority who support unconditional abortion-on-demand throughout pregnancy) is pedicated on ignorace and not merely selfishness/malice. This should be an encouragement to the pro-life community. What it means: through education about A) the ramifications of the Bill of Rights as applied to all, and B) what the unborn baby really is, does, and looks like.

[cpforlife.org]

A couple quotes as a PING:

"Those who hold the reins of government should not forget that it is the duty of public authority ... to defend the lives of the innocent ... among whom we must mention in the first place infants hidden in the mother's womb. And if the public magistrates ... do not defend them, but by their laws and ordinances betray them to death at the hands of doctors and others, let them remember that God is the Judge and Avenger of innocent blood which cries from earth to heaven" (Pope Pius XI Casti Connubii No. 67).


"Every human being, even the infant in the mother's womb, has the right to life immediately from God, not from the parent or any human society or authority. Therefore there is no man, no human authority, no science, no medical, eugenic , social, economic or moral "indication" that can show or give valid juridical title for direct deliberate disposition concerning an innocent human life - which is to say, a disposition that aims at its destruction either as an end in itself or as the means of attaining another end that is perhaps in no way illicit in itself. Thus, for example, to save the life of the mother is a most noble end, but the direct killing of the child as a means to this end is not licit..." (Pope Pius XII, Allocution to Italian Midwives, October 29, 1951)

[PGalt]

Life is the standard of all value.

Abortion is the horrific culmination to a series of irrational choices.

[hope]

I've repeated that clause for years to those who supported abortion.

So how did they get around this. They decided to re classify a human baby into a fetus. In other words it's not alive yet therefore it has no rights.

[Delphinium]

Anyway you explain it, killing babies is WRONG.

Some won't hear no matter how good you explain it.

[Babu]

Pingable?

[topher]

Seems like Rush should invite Hillary Clinton on his show to debate this issue. This would shoot down in flames any chances for her in 2008. On the other hand, if she denies the request to be on the show, then it should be stated that she is a "coward to explain her position on abortion and the EXTREMELY STRONG SUPPORT SHE ENJOYS FROM NARAL and Planned Parenthood."

Maybe the next US Supreme Court Nominee should be all about abortion and the right of a Human Being to exist -- the most fundamental right in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

My opinion only.

[Born Conservative]

[bayourod]

Many years ago Rush would say on his radio program: "I'm pro choice, I just want that choice to be for life."

Sorta like saying "I'm personally against abortion but think each woman should make her own choice,"